The "Co-Manager" Position and EXA/MGT...

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#21 Jan 10, 2012
I heard from my SM that corporate was not planning lay offs. She mentioned the key holders position instead of Assistant Managers. I am an STL and I said to her that there probably would be problems with that. The key holders would make about as much as me and there will be another lawsuit like the STL lawsuit going on right now. I also heard that the pharmacy would be the one hit not and not the front. Also she said that there are talks of dividing up districts and have mini DM's that would come into the store more often. She said the dividing of the districts could cause some problems. The only layoffs she is aware of is in the corporate level. But that is what I heard and it's still rumors so hard to tell. She has a meeting tomorrow so maybe I will hear more Thursday.
shermy

River Grove, IL

#22 Jan 10, 2012
STL6 wrote:
I heard from my SM that corporate was not planning lay offs. She mentioned the key holders position instead of Assistant Managers. I am an STL and I said to her that there probably would be problems with that. The key holders would make about as much as me and there will be another lawsuit like the STL lawsuit going on right now. I also heard that the pharmacy would be the one hit not and not the front. Also she said that there are talks of dividing up districts and have mini DM's that would come into the store more often. She said the dividing of the districts could cause some problems. The only layoffs she is aware of is in the corporate level. But that is what I heard and it's still rumors so hard to tell. She has a meeting tomorrow so maybe I will hear more Thursday.
there's an STL lawsuit going on right now??65737

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#23 Jan 10, 2012
Well I was told about the lawsuit a couple mths ago and I haven't heard anything else. I guess an STL is suing b/c they believe they are doing the same duties as a manager but not getting the same pay as a mgr. If they win STL's will get a check for the difference but I am an STL and I havent heard anything yet.
MGT

Louisville, KY

#24 Jan 10, 2012
Wag can't just convert MGT's into STL's. A pay cut like that would mean all of the MGT's could apply for partial unemployment benefits and they'd definitely receive them.

If that situation actually happens you'll probably see Wag force all MGT's to re-apply for the "new position" OR quit and take a metered severance pay. In most states you can't apply for unemployment while receiving severance pay (an exception is if the severance is a lump sum). The people who re-apply and accept whatever position they get obviously won't be eligible for unemployment.

The advantage of this idea is it cuts down on unemployment claims for Wag. Most people in the MGT position will immediately seek employment elsewhere and shouldn't have too hard of a time finding a job with another retail company. Wag presumes they will find a job before the severance ends, thus Wag doesn't have to pay unemployment.

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#25 Jan 10, 2012
Easily find another job in retail? Not so easy my friend.

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#26 Jan 10, 2012
My guess is that districts will get bigger thus less DM positions. Also community managers will run 5 stores or so and exa will become " co - Manager " and have one mgt and one stl. Co manager will run store day to day with community manager over seeing.

Community manager home store would have a second mgt. In order to do this many store managers would be "bought out "

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#27 Jan 10, 2012
MGT wrote:
Wag can't just convert MGT's into STL's. A pay cut like that would mean all of the MGT's could apply for partial unemployment benefits and they'd definitely receive them.
If acquiring partial unemployment benefits is something all MGTs would be eligible for in the case of a title change, does that mean that when MGTs were cut from a required minimum 44 hour work week to a maximum 40 hour work week they were eligible then as well? I can figure an exact counter argument as to why not, but I'm curious to hear from you since it sounds as though you have experience. In addition, the pharmacist b rate changed a few years ago lowering weir hourly wage/salary equivalent. Were they then also eligible for partial unemployment benefits?

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#28 Jan 10, 2012
SalV wrote:
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If acquiring partial unemployment benefits is something all MGTs would be eligible for in the case of a title change, does that mean that when MGTs were cut from a required minimum 44 hour work week to a maximum 40 hour work week they were eligible then as well? I can figure an exact counter argument as to why not, but I'm curious to hear from you since it sounds as though you have experience. In addition, the pharmacist b rate changed a few years ago lowering weir hourly wage/salary equivalent. Were they then also eligible for partial unemployment benefits?
no because that was overtime
bob

Elmhurst, IL

#29 Jan 10, 2012
comiskeybum wrote:
My guess is that districts will get bigger thus less DM positions. Also community managers will run 5 stores or so and exa will become " co - Manager " and have one mgt and one stl. Co manager will run store day to day with community manager over seeing.
Community manager home store would have a second mgt. In order to do this many store managers would be "bought out "
what do you mean by 'bought out'? severance packages??

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#30 Jan 10, 2012
bob wrote:
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what do you mean by 'bought out'? severance packages??
correct. just like they did 2 years ago when they "bought out" some of the corp positions they eliminated. Those people received x amount of dollars to leave the company. Those who did not either had to take another position or were subject to layoffs.
MGT

Louisville, KY

#31 Jan 10, 2012
To qualify for partial unemployment in Kentucky the following must be true...

1) Your earnings are less than 1 1/4 times your weekly rate. This is worded strangely but it's basically always true. It just means your current earnings can't be more than you would earn from total unemployment at your current pay rate. So if you make $500/week and would receive $350/week with total unemployment, you can't be making more than $350 at your current reduced rate/hours.

2) Your reduced hours are due to lack of available work and not some other reason (sick, disability, personal reasons, etc)

The interesting thing here, and what Wag is taking full advantage of, is that if you're made to re-apply for a "new position" you probably would not qualify for partial unemployment. At that point the law would probably consider your acceptance of a new, lower paying, position as forfeiture of your possible partial unemployment benefits.

I can't find any specific wording in the law in my state for this but my lawyer thinks this is how it will work.

For someone like me, with no kids or debt, it wouldn't make sense to accept a lower paying job with Wag. I would walk away and begin earning unemployment as well as hopefully receive severance money.

Other people who have retirement coming up, large investments in Wag, large debt, etc. would probably be tempted to accept an STL position and hope for the best.

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#32 Jan 10, 2012
Its just funny how they want to cut back but yet give store managers ipads.

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#33 Jan 10, 2012
comiskeybum wrote:
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no because that was overtime
Technically b rate is not overtime, as it is a contracted salary exception made between the company and pharmacists.
MGT wrote:
To qualify for partial unemployment in Kentucky the following must be true...
1) Your earnings are less than 1 1/4 times your weekly rate....
This makes sense entirely, and covers both examples, thank you,
MGT wrote:
2) Your reduced hours are due to lack of available work and not some other reason (sick, disability, personal reasons, etc)
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This helps clarify why friends of mine were collecting unemployment a few years ago when different fields of work were affected, they were not able to explain it accurately at the time.

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The interesting thing here, and what Wag is taking full advantage of, is that if you're made to re-apply for a "new position" you probably would not qualify for partial unemployment. At that point the law would probably consider your acceptance of a new, lower paying, position as forfeiture of your possible partial unemployment benefits.
I can't find any specific wording in the law in my state for this but my lawyer thinks this is how it will work.
For someone like me, with no kids or debt, it wouldn't make sense to accept a lower paying job with Wag. I would walk away and begin earning unemployment as well as hopefully receive severance money.
Other people who have retirement coming up, large investments in Wag, large debt, etc. would probably be tempted to accept an STL position and hope for the best.
In the past, some positions that have been affected with lay offs were granted a form of temporary employment relief, meaning their position was not permanently dropped, only dropped indefinitely. These individuals had options, including taking a full severance without possibility of rehire, or no action, where employment may be reinstituted in several weeks (no severance and filing for unemployment were to be prohibited during this time). On a scale where all stores in the company are affected, it may be difficult to bank on each person given the ultimatum to take the course of action their area may desire.

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#34 Jan 10, 2012
I wasn't talking about b rate. Mgt overtime.
Mgt 09

Nashville, TN

#35 Jan 11, 2012
My store mgr told me today he knows two things for sure. Mgrs and exas will have to reinterview for their jobs. He noted two very reliable sorces. He Said the exa program is no longer. That's all he knows for sure and will keep me updated as I will this forum. He knows nothing of mgts or stls.
Exatx

Fort Worth, TX

#36 Jan 11, 2012
Well since pepole just want to speculate and start rumors I decided to call district 255 and talked to and "shift leader" which the new position that they trying out in 2 districts right bssically they are key holders with ability to work the overnight shift as well. What they are still keeping mgr exa mgt and stl position just really replacing lower salary "shift leaders" for mgts. Meaning stores will have more "shift leaders" than mgts. Which make since to cut payroll replace 2 mgts with 3 shift leaders. By doing that if do the numbers 2 mgts make about 66k combined 3 shift leaders would make 64k combined that a saving of abou 4k but multiply that times 10000 store and you get a savings of 40mill a year as company. This is something they are trying nothing is set in stone.
MGT

Nashville, TN

#37 Jan 11, 2012
Today another manager brought up a good point. WHO the hell is going to show up on time & not call out consistently -making what keyholders/STLS make? mgts exas and mgrs are given "sick days," but what % of the sick days does MGT/EXA/MGR use>-- compared to non-management?
From all the stores i've worked in with the company, I say about 8/10 employees use all their sick days for the year for some lame-ass, or blatently made up excuse to not come into work--all of them use atleast a few sick days. I currently have 24 banksed going into 2012.
If they reduce the # of members of management and replace them with keyholders--the MGR and whatever the next position of management is going to be shit on with alot of slack to pick up.
If they do decide to go this route, many MGRS will be exhausted and simply leave the company.--which may be what they're going for.
Texas Outlaw

Frisco, TX

#38 Jan 11, 2012
Just as a FYI... all any company has to do is change the wording of your title and re vamp the job description...such as... garbage collector- became environmental specialist ... go figure !
tuffa

Lakewood, WI

#39 Jan 11, 2012
The title changes and reinterview and lower pay may add up to 40 million in savings on labor cost. But the quaility of service will deteriorate. As with everything upper management has done in the last few years, it may look good on paper, but the long term effects are going to damage the company more that it already is. Just wait until Obama takes away the tax breaks for off-shoring jobs. We'll see another about face. End result, this company just chasing its tail.

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#40 Jan 11, 2012
I dont believe the 3 shift leaders for second. Does not make sense to have 3 of those when you can have 1 stl and 1 MGT. This saves you more money than having 3 stl's.

Again, the thing that makes most sense is to Have a Community leader running 5 stores. EXA will be renamed "co-manager" and he/she will run the store day to day. One MGT and one or two STL's would complete the manager staff. Busier stores would have 2 STL 1 mgt and one co manager.

This is why MGT09's store manager told him that they would have to reinterview for their jobs.

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