Texas Oil Companies Oppose California Climate Change Law

There are 20 comments on the www.nytimes.com story from Apr 8, 2010, titled Texas Oil Companies Oppose California Climate Change Law. In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

Several Texas oil companies are bankrolling a petition drive to suspend California’s path-breaking climate change law in a move that may prove a bellwether for national efforts to address global warming.

The Valero Energy Corporation, a San Antonio-based company that is one of the nation’s largest independent oil refiners and retailers, has contributed $500,000 to a ballot initiative that would halt the carrying out of the California climate law known as Assembly Bill 32, which Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, signed in 2006...

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1 Apr 8, 2010
Yep, big oil doing its' part to destroy the environment.
Robert

Hollywood, FL

#2 Apr 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Yep, big oil doing its' part to destroy the environment.
Yep California doing its part to destroy its own economy.

Even the backers of the law admit that the California cap and trade will not effect global warming.

They should raise gas prices in California only to pay for the new tax.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#3 Apr 8, 2010
These two "corporate people" are throwing their weight around in another state, but they are DRAFT DODGERS. Neither signed up for the draft.

Nor do they pay taxes as people. Rather, they use a "corporate tax" system that is unavailable to the rest of us Americans.

This "corporations as people" system violates my 14th Amendment rights, as it provides special treatment to corporations that we flesh people cannot use.

They have committed many crimes, but never served time.

They have killed, even deliberately, but will never be hung until dead, or strapped into an electric chair.

It just ain't fair!
Les Claypool

Fairfield, CT

#4 Apr 8, 2010
Where do I sign?

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#5 Apr 8, 2010
Mr_Bill wrote:
These two "corporate people" are throwing their weight around in another state, but they are DRAFT DODGERS. Neither signed up for the draft.
Nor do they pay taxes as people. Rather, they use a "corporate tax" system that is unavailable to the rest of us Americans.
This "corporations as people" system violates my 14th Amendment rights, as it provides special treatment to corporations that we flesh people cannot use.
They have committed many crimes, but never served time.
They have killed, even deliberately, but will never be hung until dead, or strapped into an electric chair.
It just ain't fair!
Whooooooo. Look out Bill, big oil is out the get you - LOL. Too funny.
Robert

Hollywood, FL

#6 Apr 8, 2010
Valero needs to expand their other refineries so they can close the one in California where they are not wanted. I don't want my energy prices going up to pay for the economically failing California government.
El Borracho

AOL

#7 Apr 8, 2010
Mr_Bill wrote:
These two "corporate people" are throwing their weight around in another state, but they are DRAFT DODGERS. Neither signed up for the draft.
Nor do they pay taxes as people. Rather, they use a "corporate tax" system that is unavailable to the rest of us Americans.
This "corporations as people" system violates my 14th Amendment rights, as it provides special treatment to corporations that we flesh people cannot use.
They have committed many crimes, but never served time.
They have killed, even deliberately, but will never be hung until dead, or strapped into an electric chair.
It just ain't fair!
Damn, your right Mr. Bill !

It must definitley be a vast right wing conspiracy aimed directly at you because you signed up for the draft and are demanding your 14th Amendment rights !

BTW, good luck, and keep your eyes and ears open for those black helicopters. They can sneak right up on you in a heart beat if you're not paying attention !

skeptic

San Antonio, TX

#8 Apr 8, 2010
Mr_Bill wrote:
These two "corporate people" are throwing their weight around in another state, but they are DRAFT DODGERS. Neither signed up for the draft.
Nor do they pay taxes as people. Rather, they use a "corporate tax" system that is unavailable to the rest of us Americans.
This "corporations as people" system violates my 14th Amendment rights, as it provides special treatment to corporations that we flesh people cannot use.
They have committed many crimes, but never served time.
They have killed, even deliberately, but will never be hung until dead, or strapped into an electric chair.
It just ain't fair!
I believe you’re going off the “deep end” Mr_Bill.

Just how much do you know about either Valero or Tesoro?

Valero has the greatest refining capacity of any company in the US…more than ExxonMobil, Chevron or Conoco Phillips. Yet they LOST money in 2009 and so far in 2010. They have almost no crude production capacity and very few operations outside the US. That’s where the “giants” make their money. ExxonMobil lost money on refining and marketing in the US in the first quarter of 2010 as well.

Those “giants” could easily afford to close their US refineries, certainly those in CA and even in other states, and just sell tax credits but Valero (and Tesoro) could NOT. In fact Valero bought their refinery in Benicia, CA from Exxon and one in Paulsboro, NJ from Mobil. Of course Valero and Tesoro would prefer not to go bankrupt. Welcome back long lines for motor fuels!

Have you actually registered for the draft? I thought the draft was last used when you would have been quite young.

Valero and Tesoro DO pay corporate income rather than personal income taxes and in fact they, like ALL companies, actually pay NO taxes. Corporations merely collect money from their customers that they hand over to governments. Since Valero lost money I suspect they owed NO income tax for 2009. The “giants” pay governments quite a bit more than they make in profits but, since they earn most of their money elsewhere, most of that is not to governments in the US. The “giants” realize that there WILL be an increase in taxation of fossil fuels but some at least would prefer a carbon tax rather than cap and trade since it would allow them to plan better. YOU and their other customers will pay those taxes, not only for motor fuels but also for natural gas used to generate electricity!

Please give details of any “crime” committed by Valero or Tesoro.

Finally, I thought the Constitution made the SCOTUS, rather than Mr_Bill, the authority as to its interpretation.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Rowlett, TX

#9 Apr 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Yep, big oil doing its' part to destroy the environment.
The environmentalists are ruining our economy.

Americans need jobs.

And without energy there are no jobs.
Jones

Astoria, NY

#10 Apr 8, 2010
Texas oil companies are right to stop the socialist democrats under the communist dictator Obama that are running amok to taking over the American private corporations “Chavez style”. The Californian fake climate change tax aimed at taxing to death the falling apart American capitalistic system leading to the crush of the American economy that will give Obama the chance to declare America as the new communist America ruled by his socialistic union member parasites. The American people are waking up to stop the deceitful take over by the communist dictator Obama who already rules most of US economy and pushing it over the cliff. The American people lost their representation in the congress and the government which means that no taxation will be delivered to the new socialistic rulers that do not represent the American people and seek the demise of America.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11 Apr 8, 2010
Mac-7 wrote:
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The environmentalists are ruining our economy.
Americans need jobs.
And without energy there are no jobs.
You can live without a job, but without clean air, fresh drinking water, and arable land for food, there are NO PEOPLE.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Rowlett, TX

#12 Apr 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You can live without a job, but without clean air, fresh drinking water, and arable land for food, there are NO PEOPLE.
"You can live without a job"

Really?

Do you mean we can go down to the welfare office and collect our handouts from Uncle Obama?

That is not a way of life to look forward to.

Americans who want an abundant supply of energy have to drink the same water and breathe the same air as the zero-growth environmentalists.

We are willing to take reasonable steps to protect the environment.

But we are not willing to revert to a lower standard of living just to keep the greens happy.
LT Jaeger

Santa Cruz, CA

#13 Apr 8, 2010
Does anyone with a rational mind actually believe that Valero needs to have their profits protected from evil "California liberals like Arnold Schwarzeneggar"? Good god, people, get a clue. Arnold is about as liberal as Idi Amin.

The last time I checked (March 2010), oil companies were still lining up to drill for MORE oil in Calif, despite the environmental protections that so many people insist are going to result in mass layoffs.

I also love how all the "protesters" live in other parts of the country.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#14 Apr 8, 2010
Mac-7 wrote:
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"You can live without a job"
Really?
Do you mean we can go down to the welfare office and collect our handouts from Uncle Obama?
That is not a way of life to look forward to.
Americans who want an abundant supply of energy have to drink the same water and breathe the same air as the zero-growth environmentalists.
We are willing to take reasonable steps to protect the environment.
But we are not willing to revert to a lower standard of living just to keep the greens happy.
Then you are dooming all of us to eventual environmental calamity. We simply can not continue consuming energy at the pace we are. The non-renewable resources simply are not there to sustain us forever. That's why they're "non-renewable". When the time comes, you will be one of the idiots who claim "nobody could have predicted this".........

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Rowlett, TX

#15 Apr 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Then you are dooming all of us to eventual environmental calamity. We simply can not continue consuming energy at the pace we are.

The non-renewable resources simply are not there to sustain us forever. That's why they're "non-renewable". When the time comes, you will be one of the idiots who claim "nobody could have predicted this".........
There is no reason we cannot drill for all the oil we can while moving toward renewables.

Maybe someday a smart scientist will unlock the key to solar energy that makes it capable of taking over the load from carbon fuels.

But until then I want all the energy we can get our hands on to sustain our standard of living.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Rowlett, TX

#16 Apr 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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When the time comes, you will be one of the idiots who claim "nobody could have predicted this".........
I don't think environmentalists have any room to call other people names.

They are partially responsible for the high gasoline prices that helped burtst the financial bubble that almost brought the whole economic house down.
TedsLiver

United States

#17 Apr 8, 2010
Most Californian's are opposed to these laws. Our left wing legislature which drives job out of state drove this down the voters throats.
Tiger is the best

Dayton, OH

#18 Apr 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Yep, big oil doing its' part to destroy the environment.
Un no
Tiger is the best

Dayton, OH

#19 Apr 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you are dooming all of us to eventual environmental calamity. We simply can not continue consuming energy at the pace we are. The non-renewable resources simply are not there to sustain us forever. That's why they're "non-renewable". When the time comes, you will be one of the idiots who claim "nobody could have predicted this".........
Uh no
Tiger is the best

Dayton, OH

#20 Apr 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You can live without a job, but without clean air, fresh drinking water, and arable land for food, there are NO PEOPLE.
Uh no

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