Pratt To Cut Workforce In State

[pndog]

Still NWA Soon Delta wrote:

All PnDog does is roam topix and insult people.
Never can prove an allegation or even back up his own reasons why he thinks unions are the answer.
Stop Crying. Unions are killing both worker and companies

And this moron says he knows something about airplanes. I have asked him many simple questions that anyone in this industry should know, but he cannot answer any of them. He knows nothing about anything.

[Jettek]

Still NWA Soon Delta wrote:

All PnDog does is roam topix and insult people.
Never can prove an allegation or even back up his own reasons why he thinks unions are the answer.
Stop Crying. Unions are killing both worker and companies

Actually the new prevailing attitude of Please Mr CEO don't kick me to the curb is whats killing the worker. Take a look around you. wages stagnate, or going down, 401k instead of pension. health insurance going up. the constant threat of outsourcing to keep the masses (sheep) in line. But hey at least you have a job, right.
As for whose killing companies, let me just throw a few names out there.
Doug Steenland
Richard Anderson
Ken Lay
Carly Forina
Bernie Ebbers
Al Dunlap
Steven Wolf
Jeffery Skilling
Frank Lorenzo

[ex-mech]

Jettek wrote:

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Actually the new prevailing attitude of Please Mr CEO don't kick me to the curb is whats killing the worker. Take a look around you. wages stagnate, or going down, 401k instead of pension. health insurance going up. the constant threat of outsourcing to keep the masses (sheep) in line. But hey at least you have a job, right.
As for whose killing companies, let me just throw a few names out there.
Doug Steenland
Richard Anderson
Ken Lay
Carly Forina
Bernie Ebbers
Al Dunlap
Steven Wolf
Jeffery Skilling
Frank Lorenzo

Right on. YA know when I here that 1% of the americas richest pays 70% of the fedral taxes, I can't even get around how much money they pull in, while the masses make less and less. Staggering. I guess for the people that feel unions priced themselves out of a job and should be paid less, what they really should say is they want 1% of americas richest to pay 90% of fedral income taxes.

[pndog]

Jettek wrote:

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Actually the new prevailing attitude of Please Mr CEO don't kick me to the curb is whats killing the worker. Take a look around you. wages stagnate, or going down, 401k instead of pension. health insurance going up. the constant threat of outsourcing to keep the masses (sheep) in line. But hey at least you have a job, right.
As for whose killing companies, let me just throw a few names out there.
Doug Steenland
Richard Anderson
Ken Lay
Carly Forina
Bernie Ebbers
Al Dunlap
Steven Wolf
Jeffery Skilling
Frank Lorenzo

Carly Forina, spokeswoman for McCain, is the former CEO of Hewlett Packard who damn near ran it into the ground. He degree is Medieval Studies. How inappropriate, I would someone with a real degree in math or engineering would be more applicable. Medieval Studies, she should stick writing Conan Books.

[Zonker]

bob wrote:

Unions killed mfg in Ct.

Unions did tremendous good for workers. You owe your standard of living to brave Union members who fought for better working conditions, pay, security, etc.

In a Capitalist society, the Unions have always had an uphill struggle. There are still plenty of sweat shops.

Without unions, America will lose it's middle class, as a race to the bottom guts the incomes of all Americans.

If you have to compete with a worker from China, you definately won't be living a good life.

But the income of the wealthy continue to rise, while average americans face foreclosure and layoffs.

[Jettek]

pndog wrote:

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Carly Forina, spokeswoman for McCain, is the former CEO of Hewlett Packard who damn near ran it into the ground. He degree is Medieval Studies. How inappropriate, I would someone with a real degree in math or engineering would be more applicable. Medieval Studies, she should stick writing Conan Books.

Don't forget Bernie Ebbers (WorldCom)Physical Education degree if I'm not mistaken. Couldn't believe it when I read it awhile back. But hey, we got lawyers and bean counters running airlines now. Whats the difference.

[Bob]

"Sorry to say it but most Unions have priced there employees out of most manufacturing industries."

Correct.

[ex-mech]

Bob wrote:

"Sorry to say it but most Unions have priced there employees out of most manufacturing industries."
Correct.

Gee, Bob I have never heard that untill now, where do you suppose all the manufacturing industries went?

[pndog]

ex-mech wrote:

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Gee, Bob I have never heard that untill now, where do you suppose all the manufacturing industries went?

That is Sponge Pants Bob.

[Bob]

Mfg went either offshore or RTW.

[pndog]

Bob wrote:

Mfg went either offshore or RTW.

As I have said before, we fought the Revolutionary War to benefit domestic industry, and the GOP maintained this policy until 1972 when Nixon changed things and sent Bush41 to China to start international trade.

Today the GOP is the party of international trade and has forfeited domestic industry.

No Empire can withstand poor policies such as these for long.

[Bob]

International trade is the basis for a double-digit percentage of US mfg jobs.

Opening that channel was brilliant.

[Bob]

Mfg simply left Closed Shop states, with the exception mainly of mfg not in competition (things like Sikorsky-that do almost all business with gov't-not private sector!).

For those competing, the unions priced themselves onto the unemployment line.

[pndog]

Bob wrote:

International trade is the basis for a double-digit percentage of US mfg jobs.
Opening that channel was brilliant.

Sponge Pants, go buy a light bulb at Home Depot or Lowes. It is either made in Taiwan or China. It used to be made in Chicago.

Yes I am sure the money changers have profited nicely, but how does that help anyone else?

Your blaming of unions is just to simplistic.

[ex-mech]

Bob wrote:

Mfg went either offshore or RTW.

So what your really trying to say is that america priced themselves out of a job. Or do you really believe deep down that it is the unions that created your wonderful global econemy?

[Bob]

Products should be made where they can made most economically. That isn't always the cheapest labor source. A 40' shipping container that costs $5k to get to LA 3 years ago, now costs $14k.

If the US can produce the content in it within $14k of Asia, and we should be able to considering automation, we'd make it here.

Stuff like light bulbs naturally go to Asia, they stack well in containers, are labor intensive, and not rocket science, so mfg knowledge isn't a factor.

the reality is RTW mfg has held up better than closed shop mfg-why, UNIONS overpriced themselves.

Consider; Transplants have added 115k auto mfg jobs in last 15 years.# in Closed Shop states; 0.
# with UAW members: 0.

[Bob]

BTW, Philips stockholders also benefit when they make the light bulb in Taiwan, as they don't pay union extortion wages to get the product.

In the 80s, several Bridgeport area mfg plants had production people (with not even a GED required),making, regularly, more than middle-level managers with Masters degrees.

Several went RTW with production, several offshore. Geez, I wonder why?

[pndog]

Bob wrote:

Products should be made where they can made most economically. That isn't always the cheapest labor source. A 40' shipping container that costs $5k to get to LA 3 years ago, now costs $14k.
If the US can produce the content in it within $14k of Asia, and we should be able to considering automation, we'd make it here.
Stuff like light bulbs naturally go to Asia, they stack well in containers, are labor intensive, and not rocket science, so mfg knowledge isn't a factor.
the reality is RTW mfg has held up better than closed shop mfg-why, UNIONS overpriced themselves.
Consider; Transplants have added 115k auto mfg jobs in last 15 years.# in Closed Shop states; 0.
# with UAW members: 0.

You are UNAMERICAN! Perhaps we could be the cheap labor place of the world, as we once were, if the US taxes did not have to support the Hegemony Military which has become the World's Police. Note during the glided age Britain was the Big Cop of the world and it drove them to bankruptcy. China will soon take their place and drive us from our Hegemony.

[Bob]

Only an idiot would buy from someone who couldn't produce the most economically.

I have seen tons of well-paying facilities all over the nation that can be the world's low cost producer.

They deserve, and they get, my business. Those that can't fill that bill have not earned it.

[pndog]

Bob wrote:

Only an idiot would buy from someone who couldn't produce the most economically.
I have seen tons of well-paying facilities all over the nation that can be the world's low cost producer.
They deserve, and they get, my business. Those that can't fill that bill have not earned it.

So you would rather buy a KIA or Hyundai, than a FORD or GM. Korea is a parasite of a country that would be no better off than the Northern counterpart if not for US protectionism of their country and industry. The same with Taiwan.