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look for the union label. they got you prat rats everything evena dwindling work force. there are now less workers then there use to be on the third shift in east hartford. i wonder why? ?
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Yeah, UTC not gonna pay an American when they can hire a guy in Poland. Still it's time for guys with 40 years or more to "Walk Away." They can never have enough. They don't do much yet feel they are victims. The sad part is at age 62 they don't even comprehend their mortality, it's all about money. They say they have to pay for their kids college but their kids went to CCSU and graduated 26 years ago.
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Unions killed mfg in Ct.
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What did you expect? They outsource everything now to Puerto Rico. Shame.
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The engineers killed Pratt. They couldn't successsfully design the product quick enough to get it out to market. And they are making top dollar there too! They were getting free tuition, but it obviously didn't help the numbnuts. If they only worked longer hours, and worked smarter, not harder, then the company would be doing much better than it is now. There is no way an engineer should be making 70K for the stuff they design, and most of the time they are on the web!
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This is a lesson from the new economics. The company is extremely top-heavy with multi-layered management. They grossly mismanage company resource and look outwardly (Japanese) for needed guidance. When all else fails, they trim from the bottom. This creates a huge void by the loss of unique and particular skill sets. Meanwhile, salary workers have long been forced to work unpaid overtime to further enhance the bottom line. How creatively inventive? They follow this timed-stupidity with pep talks on loyalty (one-way) and the values of the extended working family. In the aftermath of this bloodletting, they become aptly rewarded by Wall Street to further acknowledge their brilliance and business acumen.
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OldPratt wrote: The engineers killed Pratt. They couldn't successsfully design the product quick enough to get it out to market. And they are making top dollar there too! They were getting free tuition, but it obviously didn't help the numbnuts. If they only worked longer hours, and worked smarter, not harder, then the company would be doing much better than it is now. There is no way an engineer should be making 70K for the stuff they design, and most of the time they are on the web! Rumor has it, the products are designed here in CT on computers, THEN BUILT OVERSEAS!!! What kind of business acumen is that? Where's the skirts-uh-I mean politicians? Nobody's really screaming mimi. If all hourly Pratt workers WALKED OFF the job for awhile, you'd see action. But, they won't.
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"Rumor has it, the products are designed here in CT on computers, THEN BUILT OVERSEAS!!! What kind of business acumen is that?" As the cheaper labor produces more porift, it is superb business acumen. The hourly workers priced themselves out of jobs in this case.
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s/b more profit
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It is now so easy to sit and bash the unions. The propaganda designed to form a wedge is quite good and very successful. We should actually mourn the decline of unions as they were the primary cause for every working benefit you continue to enjoy today. With their steady and systematic decline, so goes your benefits and standard of living. The union wages became the standard by which all workers were judged and everyone benefited from those who came before them, that suffered and labored for worker decency (many gave their lives). Even “Labor Day” has lost its meaning and been transformed into just some holiday prior to school starting. One fully understands the machinations of your prejudice; it remains difficult still to read the disparaging comments and the disregard for the tremendous effort given on our behalf. The unions did not kill manufacturing (look at what the C.E.O. is making), the greedy corporations, along with the soiled and all too compliant politicians, paved a direct path to other shores for cheap (even slave) labor. It is the very same American flag (made in China) wavers that sold this country down the river for profit. Welcome to the new America (owned by China).
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The two areas per the Bureau of Labor Stats not keeping up the last 25 years are New England & the rust Belt, both heavily unionized with out-of-touch direct labor wage rates. NO ONE is better off with inflated union wage scales, as it leads to the 120,000 lost Ct mfg jobs (Ct lost 40% of mfg, while nation lost at less than half that rate).
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bob wrote: The two areas per the Bureau of Labor Stats not keeping up the last 25 years are New England & the rust Belt, both heavily unionized with out-of-touch direct labor wage rates.
NO ONE is better off with inflated union wage scales, as it leads to the 120,000 lost Ct mfg jobs (Ct lost 40% of mfg, while nation lost at less than half that rate). I think you need to read why we fought the Revolutionary War, plus the GOP had been the party of domestic industry and protection for it, and in 72 it became the party of international trade. No Empire can survive these self destructive trade and business policies we have supported since then. Blaming it on the unions is BS. Today the minimum wage went up 70 cents which is over 10%. Do you think anybody's union wages went up proportionally to that? Of course not, the fact is the union run company management will fall back on that contract. Whereas you are more likely to get that raise in the non union shop. Look at UPS, union and the most efficient company in the world.
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OldPratt wrote: The engineers killed Pratt. They couldn't successsfully design the product quick enough to get it out to market. And they are making top dollar there too! They were getting free tuition, but it obviously didn't help the numbnuts. If they only worked longer hours, and worked smarter, not harder, then the company would be doing much better than it is now. There is no way an engineer should be making 70K for the stuff they design, and most of the time they are on the web! The New Pratt is not the engineers fault- it's management's. Nitpicky paperwork, micromanagement, reluctance to use bold new technologies, and non engineering job requirements are bogging down the engineers. They're working plenty hard & plenty smart-70 or more hours a week- but with all the extra BS, not enough real design work is actually being done. Or is supported when it does.
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ZinZin wrote: <quoted text>They're working plenty hard & plenty smart-70 or more hours a week- but with all the extra BS, not enough real design work is actually being done. Or is supported when it does. In your comment, you mention the "design" work being done by the engineers. My issue is with the lack of "manufacturing" being done here in the state. Is it management's fault that it's now being done overseas, or is it the fault of the unions? Curious indeed.
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The Union at Pratt and Whitney is about the best you can do regarding Unions. The reason we have employees staying until they are 62-65 is because they are protected by the Union and have every right to work. If it weren't for the Union Pratt and Whitney would have been long gone. Because of the Union most employees have managed to acrew some valuable senority. I personally was in a postion to have a choice as to when it would be in my best interest to take the buy out offered and on my terms not Pratt and Whitney's convienence. I credit the Union for everything I have achieved through the years working for Pratt. It would have been long gone had there not been a Union in place to act as a watch dog for employees safetly in the workplace and a place to work. Instead of complaining about a Union you know little about join it, become active and you will learn what a great asset a Union is in the workplace, especially now when we need an organization to look out for us the little guy.
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Pratt Whistleblower wrote: <quoted text>
Rumor has it, the products are designed here in CT on computers, THEN BUILT OVERSEAS!!!
What kind of business acumen is that? Where's the skirts-uh-I mean politicians? Nobody's really screaming mimi.
If all hourly Pratt workers WALKED OFF the job for awhile, you'd see action.
But, they won't. If that hourly Pratt worker was union----They'd walk!
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"Is it management's fault that it's now being done overseas, or is it the fault of the unions?" Unions. Got too greedy.
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bob wrote: "Is it management's fault that it's now being done overseas, or is it the fault of the unions?"
Unions. Got too greedy. I'm not familiar with the union at Pratt, can you give me an example of the union greed that be felled them?
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DDG wrote: It is now so easy to sit and bash the unions. The propaganda designed to form a wedge is quite good and very successful. We should actually mourn the decline of unions as they were the primary cause for every working benefit you continue to enjoy today. With their steady and systematic decline, so goes your benefits and standard of living. The union wages became the standard by which all workers were judged and everyone benefited from those who came before them, that suffered and labored for worker decency (many gave their lives). Even “Labor Day” has lost its meaning and been transformed into just some holiday prior to school starting.
One fully understands the machinations of your prejudice; it remains difficult still to read the disparaging comments and the disregard for the tremendous effort given on our behalf. The unions did not kill manufacturing (look at what the C.E.O. is making), the greedy corporations, along with the soiled and all too compliant politicians, paved a direct path to other shores for cheap (even slave) labor. It is the very same American flag (made in China) wavers that sold this country down the river for profit. Welcome to the new America (owned by China). Huh? There is a huge chasm between the benefits union members get compared to the rest of what working people get. A lot of people don't even get cost of living raises, let alone what union members get above and beyond that. Sick days? "Personal days?" Forget it. It's greed that is killing the union and causing layoffs, and not just executive's and stockholder's greed, either.
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Basic labor grades in plants which mirror white collar, degreed, supervisor/mid-mgmt salaries are not competitive. This was prevelent throughout unions in Ct. It stopped, cause most of those companies moved or closed.
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