Letters: Compare federal and Arizona laws

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In answer to a letter writer of June 15: She is greatly mistaken, as are the majority of objectors to the Arizona immigration law.
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Walter Whiteman

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Well Juan Gutierrez, why even have this new law at all if it is so benign, and if it doesn't really do much that the "tougher" Federal can do already? If it is not necessary, then get rid of it.
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There is no scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. People are not born homosexual. Even the body of a man is not made to have sex with another man. Yes homosexuality if repugnant and sick.
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Walter Whiteman wrote:
Well Juan Gutierrez, why even have this new law at all if it is so benign, and if it doesn't really do much that the "tougher" Federal can do already? If it is not necessary, then get rid of it.
If the federal government was securing the border as is their duty, this would never be an issue.
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Walter Whiteman wrote:
Well Juan Gutierrez, why even have this new law at all if it is so benign, and if it doesn't really do much that the "tougher" Federal can do already? If it is not necessary, then get rid of it.
Looks like you missed the point of Arizonas law entirely. If the federal government was actually enforcing its "tougher" law, the citizens of Arizona would not have felt compelled to pass their own state law to deal with the illegal immigration problem that plagues Arizona, as well as many other states. And now Eric Holder wants to sue Arizona? He has no case, if all he can say is that a "tougher" federal law already exists. If true, why is it not being enforced? And, how is Arizonas law infringing upon the rights of Mexican citizens who enter the U.S. illegally? As non-citizens, they have NO rights to begin with. In fact, they became criminals the moment they stepped over the border illegally. I resent our current administration for preferring illegal criminals over tax-paying Americans. Well, only 2 more years till election time.....
Walter Whiteman

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JDC wrote:
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If the federal government was securing the border as is their duty, this would never be an issue.
True, but this law---even though it has "shed the skin" off of the issue and brought to light just how ineffective and indifferent all U.S. Administrations have been--- polarizes and regresses to an earlier, unfortunate time of racial segregation and prejudice (though, as we, these things still exist!) Like the Gulf Disaster, it takes requires something "shocking" to wake us up!
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MyView wrote:
<quoted text>Looks like you missed the point of Arizonas law entirely. If the federal government was actually enforcing its "tougher" law, the citizens of Arizona would not have felt compelled to pass their own state law to deal with the illegal immigration problem that plagues Arizona, as well as many other states. And now Eric Holder wants to sue Arizona? He has no case, if all he can say is that a "tougher" federal law already exists. If true, why is it not being enforced? And, how is Arizonas law infringing upon the rights of Mexican citizens who enter the U.S. illegally? As non-citizens, they have NO rights to begin with. In fact, they became criminals the moment they stepped over the border illegally. I resent our current administration for preferring illegal criminals over tax-paying Americans. Well, only 2 more years till election time.....
All administrations have blindfolded themselves and have been bankrolled (directly and indirectly) by cheap, illegal labor.

As the most powerful country on the planet, don't you think that Uncle Sam could have "taken care" of illegal immigration if had wanted to? The answer is yes.

Defend and say what you want, but it is a racist law, and it was required because the Feds---for years and years, not just President Obama---have let the illegals come into this country.

All of you wealthy folks who "use" cheap labor are the last to want the Arizona law or the Federal Laws to be enforced.

Business as usual.

Cheap labor so we can have our cheap goods.
And outsource most other jobs so we can have our cheap goods.

We complain loudly, but just like the oily, toxic petroleum now killing the Gulf Coast that we put into our gas tanks, the illegal labor is needed to fuel our comfortable lifestyles.
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jtex wrote:
There is no scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. People are not born homosexual. Even the body of a man is not made to have sex with another man. Yes homosexuality if repugnant and sick.
There is no scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a genetic fault either but there is also no evidence that infant vaccines can cause Autism and I know many perfectly normal happy children who developed the disorder within 3 months or less of being vaccinated. Your OPINION is as good as anyones but it is still just an OPINION and is based on your religious views not scientific facts.
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jtex wrote:
There is no scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. People are not born homosexual. Even the body of a man is not made to have sex with another man. Yes homosexuality if repugnant and sick.
New studies indicate a possible genetic link to homosexuality. Of the handful of homosexuals that I know personally, men and women, they have all told me that they knew they were gay from earliest childhood. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they were "born" that way. But, that is not the real issue. If you are not homosexual yourself, why are you so concerned about what strangers are doing? Are they trying to "tempt" you into their lifestyle? Is it possible that you have latent homosexual tendencies yourself, but were perhaps raised by parents or a religious philosophy that has caused you to repress these feelings? Methinks you doth protest too much. Perhaps you should leave the homosexual activities to the homosexuals, and worry about what's going on in your own backyard.
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Here is one of the problems with people elsewhere, saying the Arizona law is wrong:

Democrats need geography lessons:

At a public hearing this week, Milwaukee County Board Supervisor Peggy West argues in favor of a Milwaukee County WI boycott of Arizona because, she claims, it doesn't share a border with Mexico.

Supervisor Peggy West stood up and said; "If this was Texas, which is a state that is directly on the border with Mexico, and they were calling for a measure like this saying that they had a major issue with undocumented people flooding their borders, I would have to look twice at this. But this is a state that is a ways removed from the border."

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
GoodNightGracie

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FYi wrote:
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All administrations have blindfolded themselves and have been bankrolled (directly and indirectly) by cheap, illegal labor.
As the most powerful country on the planet, don't you think that Uncle Sam could have "taken care" of illegal immigration if had wanted to? The answer is yes.
Defend and say what you want, but it is a racist law, and it was required because the Feds---for years and years, not just President Obama---have let the illegals come into this country.
All of you wealthy folks who "use" cheap labor are the last to want the Arizona law or the Federal Laws to be enforced.
Business as usual.
Cheap labor so we can have our cheap goods.

And outsource most other jobs so we can have our cheap goods.
We complain loudly, but just like the oily, toxic petroleum now killing the Gulf Coast that we put into our gas tanks, the illegal labor is needed to fuel our comfortable lifestyles.
Don't agree with one thing you said.
Kyle

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TORONTO The McGuinty Liberal government secretly passed a law giving police sweeping new powers for the duration of the G8 and G20 summits.

The law gives police the power to jail anyone who refuses to furnish identification and submit to a search while within a designated security zone in downtown Toronto.
jtex

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Answer to MY VIEW: I don't have a problem with homosexuality if they keep it private. Behind close doors you can do what ever you want and it is not my concern. But you supporters of homsexuality are trying to make it like it is moral and all right. You are trying to protray homosexuality as a normal lifestyle. I am not religious at all but I do believe in the natural way of life and homoseuailty is all against the laws of nature.
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HEY IDIOTS: These laws are meant to make illegal immigration HARDER, not SHUT IT OUT ENTIRELY. It is SECURITY THEATRE.

"If you are stopped for no other reason, you can sue the police."

Yeah, because it is so easy to sue someone. You can do it with the push of a button, you opportunistic retard.

"I challenge everyone to look up the federal law, which states that any federal officer can ask for proof at any time, anywhere, with no prior transgression."

Federal law trumps state law. That's how federalism works, and if you don't like it, then you can go and have your wussy little Tea Party.

"If people insist on leaving the border open, I suggest they take in an illegal immigrant and support them here in the U.S. to take the load off of the taxpayer."

CBO says that illegal immigration's effects are negligible. That stands for Congressional Budget Office, and I believe them over any faux-Patriot crackpot's opinion on the budget.

Juan Gutierrez is a dumb little man.

"Run all schools from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. just four days a week. No school on Mondays."

SCHOOLS ARE NOT BUSINESSES OR CORPORATIONS. CHILDREN NEED THEIR EDUCATION SO THEY DON'T TURN INTO PEOPLE LIKE JAMES W. RUSSELL JR.

Joel Garcia has some weird ideas on how to stop illegal immigration. Like, ones that involve unobtanium and magic realism.

Robert Schneider doesn't understand what due process or what the concept of arms escalation is. It doesn't matter just as long as he gets his militaristic fantasies and that poor brown people die so he can feel better about the country he lives in. Because Robert is a scumbag.

Lynn Olson, I love you.
Reasonable

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jtex wrote:
There is no scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. People are not born homosexual. Even the body of a man is not made to have sex with another man. Yes homosexuality if repugnant and sick.
Actually, there IS scientific evidence that homosexuality happens in the womb, due to a hormonal imbalance in the developing embryo.

But as to you other point, if one's inclination to have sex with members of the same sex is NOT innate (meaning it DOES NOT happen at birth) that must mean heterosexuals are also made, not born.

So tell me, when exactly did YOU decide be attracted to the opposite sex?
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MyView wrote:
<quoted text>Looks like you missed the point of Arizonas law entirely. If the federal government was actually enforcing its "tougher" law, the citizens of Arizona would not have felt compelled to pass their own state law to deal with the illegal immigration problem that plagues Arizona, as well as many other states. And now Eric Holder wants to sue Arizona? He has no case, if all he can say is that a "tougher" federal law already exists. If true, why is it not being enforced? And, how is Arizonas law infringing upon the rights of Mexican citizens who enter the U.S. illegally? As non-citizens, they have NO rights to begin with. In fact, they became criminals the moment they stepped over the border illegally. I resent our current administration for preferring illegal criminals over tax-paying Americans. Well, only 2 more years till election time.....
I don't doubt the Arizona lawmakers passed this law because they felt the federal government wasn't doing enough to stop illegal immigration. But that doesn't matter, because it's the job of the federal government, and NOT the states, to control immigration, under the U.S. Constitution's "supremecy clause."
JDC

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Reasonable wrote:
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I don't doubt the Arizona lawmakers passed this law because they felt the federal government wasn't doing enough to stop illegal immigration. But that doesn't matter, because it's the job of the federal government
So let me get this straight. You state that it is the job of the federal government to secure the border yet they are not doing their duty. And you have a problem with Arizona filling that void?

Why have any laws if we just pick and choose which ones will be enforced and whcih ones can't.

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