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Global warming: Fewer believers, as harsh winter sparks more debate

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#62 Apr 2, 2011
Idea Maker wrote:
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i c what u mean. key word is "carbon." not just fossil fuels, but ALL carbon fuels. but even so...
if we use less energy, we use less fuel, including carbon fuels
if we use less carbon fuel, more carbon fuel is available, so the price of these carbon fuels (including gasoline @ the pump) goes down
How would you propose we use less energy? We have an increasing population, more people more energy use.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#63 Apr 2, 2011
Fun Facts wrote:
How would you propose we use less energy? We have an increasing population, more people more energy use.
Don't you get it, Idea Maker's brilliant idea, is that everyone uses less energy, which will make more available.
There is a slight flaw in his idea, but I think it best to leave him to wake up one morning when the flash of realisation dawns, that no matter how litle is used, it's still irreplaceable.

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#64 Apr 2, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you get it, Idea Maker's brilliant idea, is that everyone uses less energy, which will make more available.
There is a slight flaw in his idea, but I think it best to leave him to wake up one morning when the flash of realisation dawns, that no matter how litle is used, it's still irreplaceable.
I agree, though there is nothing wrong with conserving, and I will use what I need, and then again I will use what I want when I need it, and pay for it and if I am paying for it, its mine to use and I will try not to waste what I use. Like you said, its irreplaceable.

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#65 Apr 2, 2011
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
I agree, though there is nothing wrong with conserving, and I will use what I need, and then again I will use what I want when I need it, and pay for it and if I am paying for it, its mine to use and I will try not to waste what I use. Like you said, its irreplaceable.
The problem lies in your second thought.
You agree with conserving fuel, but you'll use what you want when you need it.
And I agree with you.

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#67 Jun 10, 2016
Blast from the Past:
litesong wrote:
Cold winter areas of the Earth despite a generally warming Earth is quite easy to understand for people who want to know math & science, unlike the stout anti-mathematics & anti-science stance that topix AGW deniers declare as their region of..... non-expertise.

Extra warmth means the Earth's atmosphere, land & water have extra energy. Despite the winter very northern (or southern) climes being in months of darkness, warm fronts can more vigorously move into the cold high latitudes (especially the northern regions). As the infringing warm fronts increase temperatures in the pole regions, simultaneously they push the cold polar airs to the south with more vigor. That is why the Earth can have spot regions setting new temperature lows & many regions set precipitation highs of rain or snow. However, globally more temperature highs are being set than temperature lows (& the ratio is increasing).

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litesong

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#68 Jun 10, 2016
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"shoeless eluder" letters:
I would say that you are the real denier that climate change exists....
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litesong wrote:
You continue the exxon, energy, & repub boardroom PR that is based on no science & no math. Know that the topix AGW deniers you link with, have made errors of 500 million TIMES, 25 million TIMES, two errors of 1 million TIMES, 19,400+ TIMES, 3000 TIMES, & two errors of 1000 TIMES.
Yes, what you elude is..... the truth.
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litesong wrote:
Cold winter areas of the Earth despite a generally warming Earth is quite easy to understand for people who want to know math & science, unlike the stout anti-mathematics & anti-science stance that topix AGW deniers declare as their region of..... non-expertise.
Extra warmth means the Earth's atmosphere, land & water have extra energy. Despite the winter very northern (or southern) climes being in months of darkness, warm fronts can more vigorously move into the cold high latitudes (especially the northern regions). As the infringing warm fronts increase temperatures in the pole regions, simultaneously they push the cold polar airs to the south with more vigor.
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'steve case's jock itch' etched:
That is total bullshit and totally unecessary(sic).
If you're 66 like me you remember when it was really cold. In the '60s we had -10°F or lower for two weeks straight. Cold snaps like that just don't happen anymore.
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litesong wrote:
Agree with you. Our Pacific Northwest weather is just as you describe your region's weather, albeit just a bit warmer.

But spot area colder snaps do occur. In January 2009(?) the State of Maine set its all-time lowest temperature of -50 degF, while Arctic sea ice freeze up came to a stand-still for 11 days.

This year, the State of Oklahoma set its all-time recorded low temperature, while Arctic sea ice freeze up was almost totally stopped.

Also this year, Cancun set some cold records, again while Arctic sea ice freeze-up had come to a stop.

In all cases the Arctic halt to its freeze ups came, while the Arctic had been in COMPLETE darkness & cold for many months.

The cold snaps in lower latitudes are occurring & are caused by the actions I have described in many previous posts & my post above.

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Welcome To America

Minneapolis, MN

#69 Jun 10, 2016
Half a decade of trying to communicate to those who are native to this country and your command of my country's language seems to be getting worse as compared to this earlier post:
litesong wrote:
Blast from the Past:
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You continue the exxon, energy, & repub boardroom PR that is based on no science & no math. Know that the topix AGW deniers you link with, have made errors of 500 million TIMES, 25 million TIMES, two errors of 1 million TIMES, 19,400+ TIMES, 3000 TIMES, & two errors of 1000 TIMES.

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litesong

Lake Stevens, WA

#70 Jun 12, 2016
toxic topix AGW denier liar whiner minneapolis mn wrote:
...... those who are native to this country......
You are euro or transplanted euro......

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#72 Jun 12, 2016
litesonff wrote:
You are euro or transplanted euro......
You are transplanted Siberian Mongol.
litesong

Lake Stevens, WA

#73 Jun 12, 2016
toxic topix AGW denier liar whiner dirtling wrote:
You are transplanted Siberian Mongol.
Nah.....further to the west & south than your determination. I've told you before about the science & claims from pre-dated Tribes before Siberian Mongol Tribes. Those tribes just passed Siberia & kept going to good land.

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Welcome To America

Minneapolis, MN

#74 Jun 12, 2016
litesong wrote:
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Nah.....further to the west & south than your determination. I've told you before about the science & claims from pre-dated Tribes before Siberian Mongol Tribes. Those tribes just passed Siberia & kept going to good land.
Very good Mr. litesong!

See? Learning the language common to this country IS possible.
Keep up the good work and soon you will be writing like a native :-)
litesong

Lake Stevens, WA

#75 Jun 12, 2016
toxic topix AGW denier liar whiner minneapolis mn wrote:
..... writing like a native
"toxic topix AGW denier liar whiner minneapolis mn" descends to "old sick silly sleepy sleazy slimy stupid steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig toxic topix AGW denier liar whiner minneapolis mn".

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Seattle, WA

#77 Jun 19, 2016
It is once again time to update the scores for the Monthly Contest!

This Contest is open only to an elite few chosen by me using biased
methods. Scoring is non-biased, counting events that take place in
posts. Each month the event used is changed. Last month's event was
the Redirection, apparently still a major tactic used by thes
contestants today, as well as the old favorite, The ad hominem event
used in the April Contest.

The event used is revealed at the end of the month along with combined
scores and summaries in an active global warming thread.

Currently, the scores stand thus:

litebeer: 2
Coward: 1
Earthling: zero!

Since: Aug 15

Seattle, WA

#79 Jul 1, 2016
The June Monthly Contest has closed (as of 12m PDT).

The final scores stand thus for this thread:

1st place, litebeer: 2
2nd place, Coward: 1
Earthling: zero!

Combined scores and analysis will appear after the end of June in the
Slow Moving thread. At that time, the event used for scoring will be
revealed at last!

The July event has been chosen and scoring has already begun.

Keep those scores low!

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