Libya: U.S. Ambassador, 3 more dead

Libya: U.S. Ambassador, 3 more dead

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J. Christopher Stevens, U.S. Ambassador to Libya, who was killed in an attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, eastern Libya, on Sept.

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“bar0ckalypse n0w”

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#92 Sep 13, 2012
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“God Save America ”

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#95 Sep 13, 2012
Texasjust777 wrote:
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I don't have any problems pulling the trigger on a jihadist, and don't really care what you think. It is the norm in Texas. Had I wanted to shoot I could have opened the door, then if he entered without invitation he would have been shot. Instead I made the decision to just wait, if he broke the door down I would certainly have shot him with my S&W 625-5 45.
If he broke my door in the scumbag deserved to be shot. Same with the jihadists who pick unarmed people as victims. Why should I lose any sleep over one of them if their behavior compels me to send them to hell? If you think it is not the norm you have not been to the rural areas of Texas where many Texans carry guns in their vehicles. It is clear that Major Hasaan chose a place where he knew his victims would be unarmed.
While we have the muslim and chief running things they can't even decide if they can make him shave, and they continue to pay him his salary of thousands and thousands of dollars per year. His victims will never have justice while Obama is in power.
I likewise have no problems regarding pulling the trigger on Muslim terrorists, but you’re talking about killing your own countrymen and enjoying the thoughts. While I agree no one should be trespassing or breaking into another’s property and committing violent acts, I don’t agree with the Texas law that allows the killing of these persons. Not too long ago in Texas, a man caught three teenagers stealing food from his house and he rounded them up, then deliberately shot the younger one, only 13, I believe, as he begged for mercy. That was murder, yet the jury found him not guilty for killing a young boy. That is wrong and that jury itself should be shot. You don’t shoot teenagers, who are still children, for simple theft and breaking and entering. The boy who was murdered was stealing food, a crime not deserving of death.Texas needs to take this archaic law off the books.
You may be right aboutMajor Hasan, who deserves the death penalty but because he is military, may not get it. I feel he would have done the murders whether or not his victims had been armed because Muslims simply don’t care about taking chances. Whatever their vile religion tells them to do, they will do it. I usually disagree with Texas’ overuse of the death penalty, but in his case, I am sorry he isn’t being tried under Texas law.
I agree totally with your opinion of Obama. He is Muslim and will always side with them against us. He needs to lose the election. I don’t like Romney but he is preferable over Obama, who is bringing our country to ruin.
Texasjust777

Texarkana, TX

#96 Sep 14, 2012
Logan wrote:
<quoted text>I likewise have no problems regarding pulling the trigger on Muslim terrorists, but you’re talking about killing your own countrymen and enjoying the thoughts. While I agree no one should be trespassing or breaking into another’s property and committing violent acts, I don’t agree with the Texas law that allows the killing of these persons. Not too long ago in Texas, a man caught three teenagers stealing food from his house and he rounded them up, then deliberately shot the younger one, only 13, I believe, as he begged for mercy. That was murder, yet the jury found him not guilty for killing a young boy. That is wrong and that jury itself should be shot. You don’t shoot teenagers, who are still children, for simple theft and breaking and entering. The boy who was murdered was stealing food, a crime not deserving of death.Texas needs to take this archaic law off the books.
You may be right aboutMajor Hasan, who deserves the death penalty but because he is military, may not get it. I feel he would have done the murders whether or not his victims had been armed because Muslims simply don’t care about taking chances. Whatever their vile religion tells them to do, they will do it. I usually disagree with Texas’ overuse of the death penalty, but in his case, I am sorry he isn’t being tried under Texas law.
I agree totally with your opinion of Obama. He is Muslim and will always side with them against us. He needs to lose the election. I don’t like Romney but he is preferable over Obama, who is bringing our country to ruin.
Yes, that is were we have a difference of opinion. I am glad I live in Texas where I do not have to wait to be physically assaulted before using deadly force in Texas. Anyone who will break down a deadbolt door, is a threat, and will not get beyond the door. These people breaking in here are not breaking in to find somethng to eat, rather lots of them looking for the money for their next drug fix. So they would break in and rob their own mother, to get the money for their dope. I will protect me and my family against any intruder, whether it be a muslim jihadist, a home invader or a carjacker. These aer violent crimes whether done by adults or teenagers. I see no differece in them. You are subject to the laws lof Texas if you live here, if not then to those where you live. Lots of people do not approve of capitol punishment and Texas carries out a lot of them. You can be a sheep if you like and prey to a predator doing a home invasion.
I choose to use whatever force is required. I shoot to stop a home invasion. Texas has what is known as the Castle Doctrine and a strong SYG law. Basically that means that you have the right to stand your ground against anyone trying to break in on you whether in your home or your vehicle and you may have a firearm in your vehicle, with the same right to defend against an attacker. Without it it would be like Chicago where a black veteran was not allowed a handgun in his home by Chicago which went to the Spreme Court.

Here is the deal though, lots of people don't like the laws of Texas including criminals. If one does not like them they are free to move to another state. The reason I got my permit was because of what happened at Ft. Hood.
Texasjust777

Texarkana, TX

#97 Sep 14, 2012
Logan wrote:
<quoted text>I Not too long ago in Texas, a man caught three teenagers stealing food from his house and he rounded them up, then deliberately shot the younger one, only 13, I believe, as he begged for mercy. That was murder, yet the jury found him not guilty for killing a young boy. That is wrong and that jury itself should be shot. You don’t shoot teenagers, who are still children, for simple theft and breaking and entering. The boy who was murdered was stealing food, a crime not deserving of death.Texas needs to take this archaic law off the books.
You may be right aboutMajor Hasan, who deserves the death penalty but because he is military, may not get it. I feel he would have done the murders whether or not his victims had been armed because Muslims simply don’t care about taking chances. Whatever their vile religion tells them to do, they will do it.
Regarding a 13 year old being shot, did you view his juvenile record? I would be skeptical to believe that the facts were as you describe here. Most people wanting food, can got to a church, or a charity in their community, and in the worse case they can shoplift. Breaking and entering a home that is occupied is like
committing suicide in Texas, a good way to get shot. I suspect the jury new the facts of the case when they rendered their verdict. And if arrested for shoplifting they would have been fed in the juvenile detention center or the county jail. But if they want drugs, then they need a TV or VCR to pawn, or whatever else they find breaking in. And by the way, I do not enjoy killing even jihadists. To me it is like killing a rattlesnake. And the guy who wanted inside my house was wanted for armed robbery, assault and sexual assault. Now the taxpayers are feeding him.
Why should I allow him to break into my home, help himself to whatever, and hope he don't harm me or my family? No thanks, had he broken in he would have been stopped as he entered with 45 hollowpoints. On your case of the 13 year old, please cite the name of the case and the location in Texas where it happened.
Pug

Bridgeview, IL

#98 Sep 14, 2012
Texasjust777 wrote:
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Regarding a 13 year old being shot, did you view his juvenile record? I would be skeptical to believe that the facts were as you describe here. Most people wanting food, can got to a church, or a charity in their community, and in the worse case they can shoplift. Breaking and entering a home that is occupied is like
committing suicide in Texas, a good way to get shot. I suspect the jury new the facts of the case when they rendered their verdict. And if arrested for shoplifting they would have been fed in the juvenile detention center or the county jail. But if they want drugs, then they need a TV or VCR to pawn, or whatever else they find breaking in. And by the way, I do not enjoy killing even jihadists. To me it is like killing a rattlesnake. And the guy who wanted inside my house was wanted for armed robbery, assault and sexual assault. Now the taxpayers are feeding him.
Why should I allow him to break into my home, help himself to whatever, and hope he don't harm me or my family? No thanks, had he broken in he would have been stopped as he entered with 45 hollowpoints. On your case of the 13 year old, please cite the name of the case and the location in Texas where it happened.
Agree

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#99 Sep 14, 2012
Texasjust777 wrote:
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Regarding a 13 year old being shot, did you view his juvenile record? I would be skeptical to believe that the facts were as you describe here. Most people wanting food, can got to a church, or a charity in their community, and in the worse case they can shoplift. Breaking and entering a home that is occupied is like
committing suicide in Texas, a good way to get shot. I suspect the jury new the facts of the case when they rendered their verdict. And if arrested for shoplifting they would have been fed in the juvenile detention center or the county jail. But if they want drugs, then they need a TV or VCR to pawn, or whatever else they find breaking in. And by the way, I do not enjoy killing even jihadists. To me it is like killing a rattlesnake. And the guy who wanted inside my house was wanted for armed robbery, assault and sexual assault. Now the taxpayers are feeding him.
Why should I allow him to break into my home, help himself to whatever, and hope he don't harm me or my family? No thanks, had he broken in he would have been stopped as he entered with 45 hollowpoints. On your case of the 13 year old, please cite the name of the case and the location in Texas where it happened.
I can no longer find it on the internet. The name of the man was Jose Gonzales, I believe, and some facts of the case were as follows: He held the three teenage kids at gunpoint, beat them in the heads with his shotgun butt, kicked them repeatedly while they begged for mercy, then finished it off by shooting in the back the 13 year old boy, who could in no way have been a threat to him since he was kneeling on the floor with his back to the man. He then made the thw remaining two boys carry his body outside. The prosecutor charged him with murder, saying what he did was not justifiable under the castle law; yet the jury acquited him.
Texasjust777

Texarkana, TX

#100 Sep 14, 2012
Logan wrote:
<quoted text>I can no longer find it on the internet. The name of the man was Jose Gonzales, I believe, and some facts of the case were as follows: He held the three teenage kids at gunpoint, beat them in the heads with his shotgun butt, kicked them repeatedly while they begged for mercy, then finished it off by shooting in the back the 13 year old boy, who could in no way have been a threat to him since he was kneeling on the floor with his back to the man. He then made the thw remaining two boys carry his body outside. The prosecutor charged him with murder, saying what he did was not justifiable under the castle law; yet the jury acquited him.
I found the case you refer to, here is some commentary. It apparently aired on CNN. Here is a quote from www.cnn. Please note that there were four of them and the homeowner perceived that
one of them was lunging for his legs, after they were ordered not to move. That had broken into his home. In Texas your home is your castle. Nobody has the right to just break in. Please note, that in Texas you can be shot in the act of entering. The homeowner does not have to wait till he determines whether the intruder is armed or unarmed, the age, or whether the intruder is drunk or on drugs. Most likely had they went somewhere and asked for food someone might have given them some. But breaking into a man's home in Texas. And I don't believe four boys were just looking for food, and I suspect the jury did not believe that either. The media always wants to make quire boys out of teenagers that do get shot breaking in. Quite often the truth is otherwise. For one, warning a homeinvader where one inside the home, might result in a home invader firing through the door. So
I would make no sound if someone is breaking down my deadbolt door but shoot them as they come through. I would not be doing a breathalizer test to see fi they are drunk, nor an age questionaire. As I said, those who don't like the laws in Texas
can leave.

quote: as follows from
Gonzales said during the trial that he had his gun pointed in the air, but he thought Anguiano, the 13-year-old, was about to lunge at him.

"He perceived this young boy going for his legs," said Alaniz, his lawyer. "He's pointing the weapon, his finger on the trigger, trying to figure out what to do, as he's outnumbered by four intruders. He's giving them orders not to move and one of them lunges. Maybe he was trying to hide, maybe he was trying to grab something, we'll never know."
arthur

Australia

#101 Sep 14, 2012
Texasjust777 wrote:
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I found the case you refer to, here is some commentary. It apparently aired on CNN. Here is a quote from www.cnn. Please note that there were four of them and the homeowner perceived that
one of them was lunging for his legs, after they were ordered not to move. That had broken into his home. In Texas your home is your castle. Nobody has the right to just break in. Please note, that in Texas you can be shot in the act of entering. The homeowner does not have to wait till he determines whether the intruder is armed or unarmed, the age, or whether the intruder is drunk or on drugs. Most likely had they went somewhere and asked for food someone might have given them some. But breaking into a man's home in Texas. And I don't believe four boys were just looking for food, and I suspect the jury did not believe that either. The media always wants to make quire boys out of teenagers that do get shot breaking in. Quite often the truth is otherwise. For one, warning a homeinvader where one inside the home, might result in a home invader firing through the door. So
I would make no sound if someone is breaking down my deadbolt door but shoot them as they come through. I would not be doing a breathalizer test to see fi they are drunk, nor an age questionaire. As I said, those who don't like the laws in Texas
can leave.
quote: as follows from
Gonzales said during the trial that he had his gun pointed in the air, but he thought Anguiano, the 13-year-old, was about to lunge at him.
"He perceived this young boy going for his legs," said Alaniz, his lawyer. "He's pointing the weapon, his finger on the trigger, trying to figure out what to do, as he's outnumbered by four intruders. He's giving them orders not to move and one of them lunges. Maybe he was trying to hide, maybe he was trying to grab something, we'll never know."
It's probably a joke,but down here they reckon cops in America advise people if they shoot someone at the front door of their house it is very important the person falls inwards because if they fall outwards towards the street u can be charged with murder.
Texasjust777

Texarkana, TX

#103 Sep 15, 2012
arthur wrote:
<quoted text>It's probably a joke,but down here they reckon cops in America advise people if they shoot someone at the front door of their house it is very important the person falls inwards because if they fall outwards towards the street u can be charged with murder.
Well that is also true in some States in the USA. What I said applies to Texas. Some places like Chicago, they don't even want a homeowner to possess a handgun.

If the person is breaking in, it does not matter which side of the door he falls on if he is breaking in, for example a shotgun blast might blow him back throught the door. One is on safer legal ground though to shoot after the home invader steps inside.

Every State in America has different laws. So in New York one is more or less defenseless against an armed jihadists and one has to have a license to even own a gun. Hollow points are legal in Texas, but not in New Jersey, I think.

After Ft Hood terrorist attack by Major Hasaan, there was a huge increase in Texans applying for, and training to obtain a CHL. I am one of those. I had not shot a weapon since vietnam in the Marine Corp.

But you shoot someone through the door, and there is no damage to the door, you probably will face a grand jury in Texas, if the only evidence of that person breaking in, is your gun blast.
Texas rural areas are quite different too than the cities in Texas.
Many Texans prefer shotguns for home deefense. So in the case Logan cited, the homeowner was armed with a shotgun. I think what happened and I was not there, was that one of the boys grabbed for the mans legs, or made a movement to do that, and the homeowner shot. Your in your own home, they break into it, and you are outnumbered. The other ones are lucky he did not open fire when the breakin first happened. The deciders in such a case is the jury. They have no ax to grind. I figure the boys lied about what they were there for. Texas is too one of the few States, I don'tknow of another where one is justified in usinjg deadly force to protect property, especially at nighttime.

Some people sit back and judge Texas as archaic, like Texans are a bunch of neanderthals, quite often have higher crime rates than we do. Chicago for example where crime is rampant, but gun control is strict. Nobody is forced to live in Texas. If they like the laws in Chicago better they can move there.
Pug

Bridgeview, IL

#104 Sep 15, 2012
In Chicago -2011-

A 16-year-old boy was killed and his mother was critically injured when they were both shot in the head during a home invasion Tuesday morning in the Avondale neighborhood.

Two gunmen in dark clothing and masks stormed into their home on the 3400 block of North Lawndale Avenue around 8:45 a.m. Tuesday and shot the teen and his 33-year-old mother in the head.

Andre Vasquez, 16, and his mother were both taken to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center in critical condition. Vasquez was later pronounced dead Tuesday afternoon, according to the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office.

Guns were banned in Chicago for many years. Yet, the criminals seem to have been able to obtain guns?

Strict gun bans are not working as criminals do not obey laws.
Demir Hasanoglu

Saarbrücken, Germany

#105 Sep 15, 2012
It seems that all mass movements are destructive because majoriy of revolutionaries are huligans,criminals and mad fanatics.It is clear now why democratic and developed countries have so large security forces

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