Utility: EPA rule would cost $1 billion

Full story: Farmington Daily Times

A proposed rule announced Tuesday by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency would require San Juan Generating Station to install costly pollution-control equipment.
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Concerned

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#41
Dec 22, 2010
 
harry wrote:
We need clean air..NOW..The power plant need to get with the renovation...before farmington turns into a slump...which I don't CARE...I'd rather shop in Gallup NM..I'ts closer to albuq. too ..Ya
Learn English.
Concerned

Farmington, NM

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#42
Dec 22, 2010
 
justanobservation wrote:
<quoted text>I'm curious, just how do you know the "stuff" comingt out of the stacks is not nitrous oxides?
Common Sense don't believe everything you read.
Concerned

Farmington, NM

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#43
Dec 22, 2010
 
Tee Court wrote:
What about all the people that burn coal in their homes? Maybe they should be required to put smog controls on their homes and reduce the amount of pollution they put in the air.
Really thats got to be far worse than what comes out of the power plants.
Natural Gas

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Dec 22, 2010
 

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justanobservation wrote:
<quoted text>Here's a big news flash question, who the hell is "they" that you refer to? This make come as a shock to you, but, we still have a lot of coal here too.
You are missing the point.....coal is dirty and they want to install catalyst systems to reduce emissions. Natural gas is cleaner. You must be an underground miner lol
Bout Time

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Who cares what it costs. The power they produce goes out of state. I am sick and tired of out of town carpetbaggers skimming our milk and honey at the expense in increased pollution. If each customer paid 5.00 the cost would be paid for. Why should our local environment be sacrificed for the wealth and comfort of people from out of state. If burning coal is cheap, then they should shoulder the consequences and repercussions. The air is really dirty, it needs cleaned up. EPA should also look into the livestock feed yard on both sides of the arroyo that drains into the San Juan River. It is between Aztec and Bloomfield on the East side of the Western store. Just another out of town carpetbagger polluting our local environment.
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Dec 22, 2010
 

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So now we are paying for dirty air over the graves of some long ago died injuins.Maby Eisenfield will make those died injuins start breathing again when the plant spends those millions/billions to clean a problum that we get from the west.After the citizens start paying all that extra for power Mike Eisenfield name will be mud.San Juan Citizens for rapeing your wallet should also get all the credit for costing everone $90.00 per year plus extra taxes on your power bill.
nudder crazy az dude

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General Custer wrote:
So now we are paying for dirty air over the graves of some long ago died injuins.Maby Eisenfield will make those died injuins start breathing again when the plant spends those millions/billions to clean a problum that we get from the west.After the citizens start paying all that extra for power Mike Eisenfield name will be mud.San Juan Citizens for rapeing your wallet should also get all the credit for costing everone $90.00 per year plus extra taxes on your power bill.
You must be of aztecs sh--heads. You dont get one volt of power from those coal plants. Even "injuins" knows dat. lol
PoPz

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Dec 23, 2010
 

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harry wrote:
<quoted text> Yep, Gallup is a cool town...They have better restaurant too..and lots of antiques....
gALLUP sucks asssseess.
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Farmington, NM

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Raise the rates to cover the costs. Pass it on to the customers in California. Clean up the air and let the end-users bear the cost
u r a navanerd

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Bluff Utah resident wrote:
Been in Bluff for fifteen years, summer and winter.
When the common winter winds or breezes come out of the east, we get smog here in Bluff, coming right down the San Juan River valley, and my breathing is affected adversely. Finally, I now realize why, every winter, I'm clearing my throat almost every day, all day. Have to say, though, that "the gas patch" and the regularly f..ting wells over there add to the mix tossed into the air by the coal fired power plants. Hard to believe, as one writer here suggested, that the Bluff winter smog is coming from L.A. via Farmington/Shiprock. Wonder where the electricity to run this computer is coming from?
Get a map dummy, the wind blow front the west to the east. I'm sure the air in New York is much better.
lovein ewes

Albuquerque, NM

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Sancho Manygoats wrote:
<quoted text> I've never seen broken liqour bottles 3 feet deep alongside the road going up to Meas Verde,,,,,,wanna guess where I have seen that.......
Those are not beer bottles or liqour bottles they are navajo artifacts.
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nudder crazy az dude wrote:
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You must be of aztecs sh--heads. You dont get one volt of power from those coal plants. Even "injuins" knows dat. lol
Aztec buys all of it's electricity from PNM. Maybe instead of navajo culture classes in Ft. Deficate they should teach a real education.
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#53
Dec 24, 2010
 
you guys sound like TV injuns...
i figure ya should quit breathing yer own methane and go outside for sum fresh air.
yer lips are turning BLACK.....

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navawhore wrote:
<quoted text>Aztec buys all of it's electricity from PNM. Maybe instead of navajo culture classes in Ft. Deficate they should teach a real education.
chili peeler

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wasn't gen. custurd killed and scalped by an injun woman?
she also cut his little nuts off too.

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General Custer wrote:
So now we are paying for dirty air over the graves of some long ago died injuins.Maby Eisenfield will make those died injuins start breathing again when the plant spends those millions/billions to clean a problum that we get from the west.After the citizens start paying all that extra for power Mike Eisenfield name will be mud.San Juan Citizens for rapeing your wallet should also get all the credit for costing everone $90.00 per year plus extra taxes on your power bill.
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gen. custurd is not a goot speller. maybe thats why he died the way he did.
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General Custer wrote:
So now we are paying for dirty air over the graves of some long ago died injuins.Maby Eisenfield will make those died injuins start breathing again when the plant spends those millions/billions to clean a problum that we get from the west.After the citizens start paying all that extra for power Mike Eisenfield name will be mud.San Juan Citizens for rapeing your wallet should also get all the credit for costing everone $90.00 per year plus extra taxes on your power bill.
Jason

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It's about oil

We're not running out, but demand is going up rapidly and we can't increase the supply fast enough. It's like 5 people fighting over 3 cookies, then 2 people join the fray.
The scientists don't know how to drill deepwater oil - which is why we had the Gulf spill, and they don't know how to make tar sand economical

Korea was a proxy warning from China. The US had no choice but the militarise after the midterms - and the world realised the US wasn't going to reduce oil consumption. France-UK signed a joint nuclear testing facility, and India is building a nuclear arms triad. China is the biggest rewable investor, accelerating energy independence. But China also has huge nuclear capability - it's impossible to stop (over 1000 missiles) even with a missile defense shield. Even if you could, over 200 nuclear bombs going off is enough to mess up the world by dispersing radioactive particles around the world (cancer/deaths/etc).

The good news is, after Korea, both China and US realised they couldn't risk nuclear war. So for the first time after 16 years of failed climate talks, China backflipped, changed its hardline approach, agreed to all the US's demands, which allowed both to sign the Cancun Agreements (their first ever climate commitment).

After Cancun, China signed a FTA letting the US sell high-tech renewable products to China. China also promised to spend $1.5 trillion on US made renewable products, increasing jobs for families, pay off debt and restore American power. China recently killed its own auto industry by banning its citizens from buying cars. Nuclear war benefits no one, so out of self interest, China is helping the US, even though it'll kill Chinese economic growth.
US needs a carbon tax to create jobs and pay off foreign debt.
But voters realise it means higher prices, and are blocking it, without realising they're provoking a nuclear war. People don't transition out of goodwill, you need to raise prices.

But why Carbon taxes? Well, you can either wait for oil prices to rise, or you can introduce carbon taxes. It's either asking oil-intensive consumers (i.e. family's, transport, etc) to pay $100, or getting every single industry, consumer and business to pay $1. It needs to be done, but which is easier on families?

The political situation needs to change fast so that these carbon taxes can be passed to accelerate the renewable industry, create jobs, help families, and pay off debt.
China even agreed to remove its own wind subsidies (with lots of compliants within China) straight after Obama complained it was stopping US investment in renewables.

The Cancun Agreement was not binding - this sucker needs to be legalised at the next climate summit.

I'm no Democrat, but this ain't about Democrats or Republicans, this is about getting what needs to be done, done - ensuring our country's prosperity. A true patriot would let off the political baggage and do what's right for the country.

“Socialism leads to starvation”

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#57
Dec 27, 2010
 
Jason wrote:
It's about oil
Excuse me for removing the majority of your post.....Space limitations.
You are correct, it is all about oil/hydrocarbons/cheap energy. Without oil we will need more farm hands, more farm land and an end to the suburbs. The middle class will be hammered by inflation over regulation and over taxation.
You seem to see that the solution lies in centralization, socialism and a carbon tax. Since I understand history and believe that human nature is base, your solution will do nothing but create more resource wars.
My solution is simple,,, localism. Shop locally, create local primary and secondary industries and create sustainable local communities. Think and act locally and fight anyone that wants to do things globally.
I hope that science saves our arses, the same way Spindletop did, the Haber Process, Nukes and Noble did.
If science does not pull off a miricle, I will put anyone that wants to regulate or tax my 40 acres and a mule in my cross hairs.
Enjoy the New Year and watch out for the dang box jelly fish,
glow in the dark

Albuquerque, NM

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Dec 27, 2010
 
Air Quality wrote:
I have no love for the EPA. Most often, they are zealots for issues that put small animals above humans. However, the air quality in Farmington and the surrounding area is horrible. It's bad for everyone. It shortens our lives and provides a slow, lingering death of our respiratory systems. For many years PNM has been punching out smoke and pollutants from burning coal to make as much money as possible without any air quality controls. Improvements must be made. The cost of the improvements should be shouldered by at least 50% by the company. The real solution would be to build a nuclear power plant that emits zero air pollutants.
Oh yea, radiation you can not see therefore it must be ok.

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