Utility: EPA rule would cost $1 billion

A proposed rule announced Tuesday by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency would require San Juan Generating Station to install costly pollution-control equipment. Full Story
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Oh good grief

Rio Rancho, NM

#1 Dec 21, 2010
This is what the lunatic environmentalists will cost us.
PoPz

Taos, NM

#2 Dec 22, 2010
I believe emissions must be reduced. But maybe the EPA rule is asking too much. Mesa Verde is but a shell of It's former self. Drought & wildfires, and the lack of wildlife once very abundant,& acres of dead trees has significantly diminished mesa Verde's appeal. Another prolonged drought(right around the corner) a another big fire & Mesa Verde becomes irrelevant.
oatmeal

Farmington, NM

#3 Dec 22, 2010
I'm all for clean air, but this seems very costly
Air Quality

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Dec 22, 2010
I have no love for the EPA. Most often, they are zealots for issues that put small animals above humans. However, the air quality in Farmington and the surrounding area is horrible. It's bad for everyone. It shortens our lives and provides a slow, lingering death of our respiratory systems. For many years PNM has been punching out smoke and pollutants from burning coal to make as much money as possible without any air quality controls. Improvements must be made. The cost of the improvements should be shouldered by at least 50% by the company. The real solution would be to build a nuclear power plant that emits zero air pollutants.
County resident

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Dec 22, 2010
The EPA is running amok just like New Mexico's Governor appointed EIB which recently approved a Cap and Trade program. These agencies have been infiltrated by radical activist environmentalists and now are poised to shut down needed industries by making it impossible for these plants to operate with these additional restrictions. Several years ago air quality monitors were set up closer to the border between Arizona and New Mexico so that the State Environment Department could find out how much pollution migrates here from California and Arizona. Nearly 70 percent of our air pollution comes from these states. The San Juan Citizen Alliance organization are activist environmentalists and are funded by Hollywood. Their goal is to take us back to the dark ages. Only 1/100 of a percent of the carbon dioxide that is produced comes from man made sources. The rest is produced by nature. If you look at a graph of the moisture that fell in the Southwest over the past 1000 years it shows periods of time that were wetter and drier than normal. We recently finished a period of wet weather patterns and now are in a time where we are experiencing warmer temperatures and drought. When you look at the graph and you see the dramatic weather swings during the past 1000 years you have to ask yourself what caused global warming problems so long ago? Nature doesn't run on averages or patterns and there will always be dramatic swings. The other problem that we have is that the environment is being regulated by the courts. We need to send groups like the San Juan Citizen Alliance packing and let them live in the caves that they are trying to make the rest of us end up in. These people are the radical hippies of the 60's and their agenda hasn't changed but they have figured out how to make the system work in their favor.
barky

Las Cruces, NM

#6 Dec 22, 2010
"Nitrogen oxide emissions, Eisenfeld said, are having a "very, very adverse affect on the economies of the Southwest because we're losing our tourism,"

Just lies, attendance at Mesa Verde is up nearly 20% in the last decade. Maybe the coal plant is responsible for that. Environmentalists exaggerate and outright lie and this is a good example.
allrighty then

Albuquerque, NM

#7 Dec 22, 2010
So this means that the APS plant emits no haze or oxides, just the PNM plant ?
Otis

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Dec 22, 2010
Show us the numbers, PNM. It's plenty easy to scream about the expense if nobody gets to see the actual RFPs or contracts. I'll believe it when I see actual cost estimates from those who have signed contracts to do the work. These claims are coming out of the PR department of PNM, not the contract department. Of course they claim the ratepayers are going to pay. They always do. Did you read anywhere that the stockholders in PNM will bear any of the burden? Interesting that only the ratepayers bear the cost instead of the owners. This is capitalism? Why not shift the entire cost over to the investors who are supposedly taking the risk. The only ones taking the risk are the ratepayers who can't switch to another utility.

Since: May 10

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#9 Dec 22, 2010
barky wrote:
"Nitrogen oxide emissions, Eisenfeld said, are having a "very, very adverse affect on the economies of the Southwest because we're losing our tourism,"
Just lies, attendance at Mesa Verde is up nearly 20% in the last decade. Maybe the coal plant is responsible for that. Environmentalists exaggerate and outright lie and this is a good example.
Agreed.

I've been to Mesa Verde 6 or more times since 2002, and air quality has never been an issue to traveling there. Indeed, I've always been able to see the ruins, even the ones across the canyon (OK, I'm being facetious here).

The idea that the southwest is losing tourism because of air quality is absolutely ludicrous. Much of my family lives in Las Vegas, Nevada, and I used to. Compared to the 1980's, when I lived there, the air quality is horrible, like any major city, but tourism was continuously on the overall increase until the economic collapse. Tourism is suffering because unemployment remains at 10 percent, and because those that have some money are scared to spend it. Want to increase tourism? Create the conditions for economic growth.

And what is government's solution? Force industry to spend massive amounts of money to solve a "problem" that will have very little overall effect on the environment, and will have no effect whatsoever on tourism. But the 1 billion dollar "solution" could very well cost jobs and increase energy prices for the public, which will leave even less money for folks to spend on travel.

Politicians appear to think that industry has unlimited funds, and have no problem spending other people's money for them, but they are completely clueless as to what is needed to really grow the economy, including the tourism industry. Nothing new there.
Joe

Rio Rancho, NM

#10 Dec 22, 2010
Coal is expensive. Maybe PNM won't be allowed to be such a big polluter. APS too. Four Corners Power Plant is a real problem.

Since: May 10

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#11 Dec 22, 2010
Otis wrote:
Show us the numbers, PNM. It's plenty easy to scream about the expense if nobody gets to see the actual RFPs or contracts. I'll believe it when I see actual cost estimates from those who have signed contracts to do the work. These claims are coming out of the PR department of PNM, not the contract department. Of course they claim the ratepayers are going to pay. They always do. Did you read anywhere that the stockholders in PNM will bear any of the burden? Interesting that only the ratepayers bear the cost instead of the owners. This is capitalism? Why not shift the entire cost over to the investors who are supposedly taking the risk. The only ones taking the risk are the ratepayers who can't switch to another utility.
The stockholders will pay in reduced dividends, and possible reduced stock prices, as energy becomes an increasingly unprofitable business.

Remember GM stock? When they went bankrupt, shareholders got nothing. My great uncle, who recently passed away in his early 90's, was heavily invested in GM for decades. He got nothing when General Motors became Government Motors.
Backitup

Litchfield Park, AZ

#12 Dec 22, 2010
Eisenfeld said, are having a "very, very adverse affect on the economies of the Southwest because we're losing our tourism, we're losing the air quality that makes us so iconic."

Eisenfield needs to back up his claims of lost tourism and prove it is related to air quality not the economy. Show us the numbers!
Math guy

Beverly Hills, CA

#13 Dec 22, 2010
This is not that much money if you think about it, one dollar per person for a billion people.
RightWing

Rio Rancho, NM

#14 Dec 22, 2010
So where is the Beef ?$1,000,000,000 poured into the local community and cleaner air to boot - a win win for the four corners citizens !

Since: May 10

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#15 Dec 22, 2010
RightWing wrote:
So where is the Beef ?$1,000,000,000 poured into the local community and cleaner air to boot - a win win for the four corners citizens !
????? What "local company" is going to install the EPA required modifications?

The money will go out of state contractors, and there will be a few local temporary jobs created. That's all.

But the cost to the consumer will go on forever.
James Michael

United States

#16 Dec 22, 2010
This EPA mandate is long overdue. The smog in this area is not only unsightly, it is a serious threat to our health. If PNM has to pass on the cost of such upgrades to the consumer so be it. It is about time that the endusers start paying for the long term damage done to the Four Corners area and its residents.
harry

Window Rock, AZ

#17 Dec 22, 2010
We need clean air..NOW..The power plant need to get with the renovation...before farmington turns into a slump...which I don't CARE...I'd rather shop in Gallup NM..I'ts closer to albuq. too ..Ya
bottom ash

Albuquerque, NM

#18 Dec 22, 2010
harry wrote:
We need clean air..NOW..The power plant need to get with the renovation...before farmington turns into a slump...which I don't CARE...I'd rather shop in Gallup NM..I'ts closer to albuq. too ..Ya
STAY IN Gallup. Drunk City. Navajo Las Vegas. I don't want you up here. Go to Blue Spruce and sleep it off. When there is a overhaul at APS and PNM all those Gallup, Page, Flagstaff, Winslow, Rez come here to work. You're probably one of them.

Since: May 10

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#19 Dec 22, 2010
harry wrote:
We need clean air..NOW..The power plant need to get with the renovation...before farmington turns into a slump...which I don't CARE...I'd rather shop in Gallup NM..I'ts closer to albuq. too ..Ya
Have you even TRIED to shop in Farmington in the last week? The traffic is horrible and the stores are jam packed. I drove through the parking lot of Smith's, couldn't find parking, and decided I'd try grocery shopping some other time. I've walked out of Wal-Mart twice in the last week rather than contend with the crowds and lines.

It's great for the retailers, but I'd like to see a lot more people shop in Gallup, so I could find parking and get in and out of the store quickly.

Have fun there!

Since: May 10

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#20 Dec 22, 2010
James Michael wrote:
This EPA mandate is long overdue. The smog in this area is not only unsightly, it is a serious threat to our health. If PNM has to pass on the cost of such upgrades to the consumer so be it. It is about time that the endusers start paying for the long term damage done to the Four Corners area and its residents.
You ever been to a city, like Las Vegas, Nevada, or Los Angeles? The "smog" here is nothing by comparison. The smog is so thick in L.A., it flows in easily measurable amounts into Arizona. What should the City of Los Angeles do to "clean up" it's mess so Arizona isn't affected?

Fact is, the air is much cleaner here than it was when every household burned coal for heat.

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