Two-pronged growth: Survey finds more in El Paso learn English

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A crew works on a Tropicana home Tuesday in far east El Paso. Census Bureau estimates find that some areas on the East Side are growing dramatically. Full Story
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#21 Dec 15, 2010
..it's about time...All other "immigrants" learn the English language, mostly growing up in their own Countries....Why is it that the Mexicans think they are special and don't have to.....or are they just ignorant...?
El Paso Native

El Paso, TX

#22 Dec 15, 2010
Yes...everyone should be able to read, write, and speak English even in El Paso.
Incomes Down

El Paso, TX

#23 Dec 15, 2010
Our incomes are down.

Meaning we are poorer.

Yet Cook wants to tax businesses so much that they go to other cities instead and they the take jobs with them.

Mayor Cook even wanted to tax Fort Bliss troops !!

Punk, He needs to grow up and ask the businesses themselves how the city can help them grow, which will allow them hire more workers, which will allow them to pay higher wages.

So instead of using all of their moeny to pay city taxes and city fees,

Businesses can use the money instead to pay for more employees and not have to go to Albuquerque or Las Cruses.
black ops

El Paso, TX

#24 Dec 15, 2010
all this learning english is cancelled by all the mexican trash tv and radio we have in ep
desert rat

United States

#25 Dec 15, 2010
You people know that at UTEP you have to take some Spanish courses to graduate. I had fun listening to dark brown people that looked totally Indian in a Spanish class that struggled talking Spanish...pinches wettbacks and they can't talk Spanish. Give me a break!
Hector

Los Angeles, CA

#26 Dec 15, 2010
It is apparent from reading the comments regarding the Spanish language that people do not know or read the Constitution. When the United States invaded Mexico and annexed almost half of what is now the United States the treaty of Guadalupe (the treaty formalized the cessation of American aggression) was incorporated into the constitution where it spells out in plain English that all customs, traditions and languages of the people included in the annexation shall continue to speak and write their in own language, which is either Spanish or applicable Indian languages. In California many laws are written both in English and Spanish in order to comply with the law which is the constitution. If people do not want to comply with the constitution they can take the boat to where they came from.
LLBD

El Paso, TX

#27 Dec 15, 2010
For those of you who wish to help those who do not speak our "Americanese" language (English with many words of other languages adopted), you could always help them - you could teach them! I am presently teaching my neighbor. Her grandson has several books and we have a lesson and a reading period twice a week. She wants to learn, and I am more than happy to teach her. In turn she is willing to teach me her Spanish. If you want to know more about Teaching English/Americanese, you can contact the Laubach Literacy Program for information. Most importantly, the program is free and so is the process of teaching. Mr Laubach made it possible for those who want to learn, for free! Each one, teach one!
Joe

United States

#28 Dec 15, 2010
Hector wrote:
It is apparent from reading the comments regarding the Spanish language that people do not know or read the Constitution. When the United States invaded Mexico and annexed almost half of what is now the United States the treaty of Guadalupe (the treaty formalized the cessation of American aggression) was incorporated into the constitution where it spells out in plain English that all customs, traditions and languages of the people included in the annexation shall continue to speak and write their in own language, which is either Spanish or applicable Indian languages. In California many laws are written both in English and Spanish in order to comply with the law which is the constitution. If people do not want to comply with the constitution they can take the boat to where they came from.
None of those people are around any longer, they're all dead. That's not what all this Spanish speaking is about, it has nothing to do with a single one of those people. It's about people in these times who have arrived here from Mexico. Illegals for the most part who have no business being in this country but also those brought in through family chain migration to soak up welfare handouts. Too damn lazy and intellectually stupid to learn much of anything except to expect a great life in a country they otherwise hate.
GAS

United States

#29 Dec 15, 2010
These people that take these surveys are way off. Go to any Walmart in El Paso and just walk around the store and listen to the conversations around you for a few minutes. 90% are in spanish you will be hard pressed to hear any english being spoken. Thats a fact, and forget about asking a employee either cause they don't speak english. Just because we are a border town does not mean english goes out the window! As in Rome do as the Romans!!!
RocketScientist

Rensselaer, NY

#30 Dec 15, 2010
You people are ignorant to the historic connections these borders towns have to Mexico or other hispanic enclaves... Any other border community is the same. Be is Nogales, Brownsville, Yuma, Albuquerque, Southern San Diego/LA, Miami, San Juan etc. If you don't like the fact that Spanish is spoken predominately in a lot of these communities or in many cases is the main language used move some where else or learn the language. English is also spoken on varying levels in all those cities as well but this is America. You have your first amendment rights, the freedom of speech. You also have the right to your life liberty and pursuit of happiness, how ever that should be obtained. The Treaty of Guadalupe did solidify this as well. The names of almost all those cities are of spanish heritage. New Mexico and Puerto Rico are hispanic majortity states/territories and AMERICAN citizens. Texas, California, Arizona, Colorado are not far behind. I have connections to Mexico and relatives even though I am a 4th generation American and a veteran. My Grandmother usually speaks Spanish cause she spent her whole life in El Paso, TX, USA. Shes an American no less than any of you. Who gets hurt when more people know more languages? It adds to the cultural value of this great country and its something I am glad that we have. Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos de America pendejos....
black ops

El Paso, TX

#31 Dec 16, 2010
RocketScientist wrote:
You people are ignorant to the historic connections these borders towns have to Mexico or other hispanic enclaves... Any other border community is the same. Be is Nogales, Brownsville, Yuma, Albuquerque, Southern San Diego/LA, Miami, San Juan etc. If you don't like the fact that Spanish is spoken predominately in a lot of these communities or in many cases is the main language used move some where else or learn the language. English is also spoken on varying levels in all those cities as well but this is America. You have your first amendment rights, the freedom of speech. You also have the right to your life liberty and pursuit of happiness, how ever that should be obtained. The Treaty of Guadalupe did solidify this as well. The names of almost all those cities are of spanish heritage. New Mexico and Puerto Rico are hispanic majortity states/territories and AMERICAN citizens. Texas, California, Arizona, Colorado are not far behind. I have connections to Mexico and relatives even though I am a 4th generation American and a veteran. My Grandmother usually speaks Spanish cause she spent her whole life in El Paso, TX, USA. Shes an American no less than any of you. Who gets hurt when more people know more languages? It adds to the cultural value of this great country and its something I am glad that we have. Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos de America pendejos....
STFU!!!
Joe

United States

#32 Dec 17, 2010
RocketScientist wrote:
You people are ignorant to the historic connections these borders towns have to Mexico or other hispanic enclaves... Any other border community is the same. Be is Nogales, Brownsville, Yuma, Albuquerque, Southern San Diego/LA, Miami, San Juan etc. If you don't like the fact that Spanish is spoken predominately in a lot of these communities or in many cases is the main language used move some where else or learn the language. English is also spoken on varying levels in all those cities as well but this is America. You have your first amendment rights, the freedom of speech. You also have the right to your life liberty and pursuit of happiness, how ever that should be obtained. The Treaty of Guadalupe did solidify this as well. The names of almost all those cities are of spanish heritage. New Mexico and Puerto Rico are hispanic majortity states/territories and AMERICAN citizens. Texas, California, Arizona, Colorado are not far behind. I have connections to Mexico and relatives even though I am a 4th generation American and a veteran. My Grandmother usually speaks Spanish cause she spent her whole life in El Paso, TX, USA. Shes an American no less than any of you. Who gets hurt when more people know more languages? It adds to the cultural value of this great country and its something I am glad that we have. Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos de America pendejos....
You're right actually. The Mexicans can't learn any more than broken Spanish or English. They may just as well stick to their broken Spanish and continue to clean toilets. We need to cut them off welfare handouts however because that's the real reason for their laziness in learning either language.
RocketScientist

Arlington, VA

#33 Dec 17, 2010
Joe wrote:
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You're right actually. The Mexicans can't learn any more than broken Spanish or English. They may just as well stick to their broken Spanish and continue to clean toilets. We need to cut them off welfare handouts however because that's the real reason for their laziness in learning either language.
I'm half mexican and I speak fluent english. So does my full blood mexican father and his father (who has an english degree ironically). Your ignorance has proven itself Joe! Or is it Jose and are you just to ashamed to admit you're brown? Anyways I was in Indy a while back and the hotel manager told me she loved her Mexican housekeepers! That they worked much harder than the white folks she had hired in the past in the same position, yet any white folk in the same position is also reaping food stamps/welfare etc. Lets also not forget in Texas they are paying TAXES! They pay sales taxes, property taxes (indirectly) and if they are using a stolen SSN they are paying income tax, social security tax, medicare tax etc. Ignorance is truly bliss Jose!
Ed M

El Paso, TX

#34 Dec 17, 2010
RocketScientist wrote:
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I'm half mexican and I speak fluent english. So does my full blood mexican father and his father (who has an english degree ironically). Your ignorance has proven itself Joe! Or is it Jose and are you just to ashamed to admit you're brown? Anyways I was in Indy a while back and the hotel manager told me she loved her Mexican housekeepers! That they worked much harder than the white folks she had hired in the past in the same position, yet any white folk in the same position is also reaping food stamps/welfare etc. Lets also not forget in Texas they are paying TAXES! They pay sales taxes, property taxes (indirectly) and if they are using a stolen SSN they are paying income tax, social security tax, medicare tax etc. Ignorance is truly bliss Jose!
Actually, they would only end up paying FICA and Medicare if using a stolen SSN. If is a simple matter to claim excess deductions on a W-4 to prevent ANY Federal Withholding on the wages. By the time those people are found to be using a stolen ID, they are long gone and the person who owned it is being harrassed by the IRS for non payment of income taxes.
Joe

United States

#35 Dec 17, 2010
RocketScientist wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm half mexican and I speak fluent english. So does my full blood mexican father and his father (who has an english degree ironically). Your ignorance has proven itself Joe! Or is it Jose and are you just to ashamed to admit you're brown? Anyways I was in Indy a while back and the hotel manager told me she loved her Mexican housekeepers! That they worked much harder than the white folks she had hired in the past in the same position, yet any white folk in the same position is also reaping food stamps/welfare etc. Lets also not forget in Texas they are paying TAXES! They pay sales taxes, property taxes (indirectly) and if they are using a stolen SSN they are paying income tax, social security tax, medicare tax etc. Ignorance is truly bliss Jose!
The Mexicans work CHEAPER than anyone else which is the real reason they're preferred by the greedy types who would rather break the laws and bring in truck loads of ultra cheap workers than pay minimum wage and benefits to US citizens.

The same in Mexico, the elite loved their large and dirt cheap servant class. Unfortunately the servant class, the dirt cheap workers breed like stray cats, one litter after another which they cannot support on those dirt wages and the kids born in the USA think they're too good to do that low paid work. In your country, the desperately poor are now contributing to the cartel violence. Life itself is cheap in your country.

And these people are incapable of learning American culture or English. You may have learned some English but that puts you in the minority of your people.

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