Woman struck by vehicle on St. Paul's Grand Avenue dies

A woman walking down Grand Avenue was struck and killed by a vehicle Tuesday evening, and police were still investigating the crash through the morning. Full Story
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Julie

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Nov 9, 2010
Very sad.
JenA

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Nov 9, 2010
This is the second fatality within 2 blocks of us in the last 4 months (althought the other one involved someone being pushed into traffic). People drive like freaking maniacs and pedestrians really better watch out-drivers are out of control!!
Are you kidding

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Nov 9, 2010
I have lived on Grand Ave. 3 times over the years
(including the building on the corner of Grand
and Hamline) and just recently finished a job just
off Grand Ave. in which I would walk the kids I
worked with up and have to cross over Grand. The
only thing that surprises me about that street is
there aren't more accidents/deaths. The sight
lines are virtually non existant, cars are parked
on virtually every square inch of the sides, the
lanes are narrow, and the pedestrian traffic is
oblivious to vehicles. I grieve for her family,
but I fear this will not be the last.
God bless, all.
Stop

Washington, DC

#5 Nov 10, 2010
The last thing we need right now is people posting unnecessary comments about how this accident could have been avoided. Duh, what you said is common sense. I'm pretty sure we dont need to be reminded. You have no idea what the circumstances of the situation are. This person was a friend of mine and this is a horrible tradgedy for all of her loved ones. If you dont have words or sympathy, keep your comments to yourself; this is not the time nor place. We love you Emma, and we are going to miss you terribly.
JAdams

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Nov 10, 2010
Very sad.

Driving on through that corner every day, people just walk out into the street. The way the lighting is you can't see anyone until they are almost right in front of you.

Drive with caution, and please pedestrians, you can't win the fight with a couple of tons of steel.
Shotgun

Plymouth, MN

#7 Nov 10, 2010
IF you know it's a dangerous street, WHY NOT BE CAREFUL when crossing it?

These threads are used for posting opinions, the sympathy threads are the Obituaries.

Having said all that, drivers today are like a bunch of lunatics!!

A friends stopped to tow a broken pickup from a traffic lane the other night and all the cars did was honk their horns.

What a bunch of phocking idiots!!!

IF YOU SEE A HAZAROUS SITUATION ON A FREEWAY TURN ON YOUR EMERGENCY FLASHERS AND SLOW DOWN OR STOP TO PROTECT THE VULNERABLE!!!
All killing is sad

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Nov 10, 2010
Stop wrote:
The last thing we need right now is people posting unnecessary comments about how this accident could have been avoided. Duh, what you said is common sense. I'm pretty sure we dont need to be reminded. You have no idea what the circumstances of the situation are. This person was a friend of mine and this is a horrible tradgedy for all of her loved ones. If you dont have words or sympathy, keep your comments to yourself; this is not the time nor place. We love you Emma, and we are going to miss you terribly.
Sympathies to family and friends. Those who would state the obvious are guilty of having forgotten those things that are obvious to the rest of us themselves.
Tom

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Nov 10, 2010
The pedestrian law the do gooders passed in the legislature is dangerous and a complete waste of time.
According to the law cars are supposed to stop at any intersection where there is not a light the moment a pedestrian steps off the curb.
It does not matter if there is a crosswalk or not, it just has to be an intersection of two public roads.
Most drivers, including police officers and bus drivers tend to ignore this law all of the time.
This law is especially dangerous on a busy four lane street like Snelling Avenue near the Fire Station/ Now sports or on Lake street. Try crossing there sometime,and you will die.
The road that ends in a "T" by the TCF/Lunds at Lake street in uptown has no lights or crosswalk, but according to the law you as a pedestrian have the legal right to cross the four or five lanes of one way traffic and everyone is supposed to stop for you. No one will and you will die if you try to exert your rights to cross.
This law should be repealed as it is dangerous, useless, and not enforced in any fair way.
Often times, a driver in one lane will stop for the walker, then other traffic will drive around the stopped traffic into the other lane nearly killing the pedestrian who has a false sense of security due to this moronic law.
Dr Johnny Fever

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Nov 10, 2010
I was at the scene of the accident last night and have been unable to shake the image of that young woman dying in front of my eyes and the frantic efforts of the woman who hit her to try and revive her by giving her mouth to mouth resuscitation. There were also 4 others with me offering prayer and help as we helplessly watched this poor young woman die before the paramedics arrive. For all of the people posting negative comments my only comfort is final judgment comes from above and I am quite sure you will eventually get what you deserve. To the young woman who hit her, the family of the deceased and those that helped last night, you will always be in my prayers. I found a new perspective on life last night.
grace

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Nov 10, 2010
Prayers to all.
Shotgun

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Nov 10, 2010
Tom wrote:
The pedestrian law the do gooders passed in the legislature is dangerous and a complete waste of time.
According to the law cars are supposed to stop at any intersection where there is not a light the moment a pedestrian steps off the curb.
It does not matter if there is a crosswalk or not, it just has to be an intersection of two public roads.
Most drivers, including police officers and bus drivers tend to ignore this law all of the time.
This law is especially dangerous on a busy four lane street like Snelling Avenue near the Fire Station/ Now sports or on Lake street. Try crossing there sometime,and you will die.
The road that ends in a "T" by the TCF/Lunds at Lake street in uptown has no lights or crosswalk, but according to the law you as a pedestrian have the legal right to cross the four or five lanes of one way traffic and everyone is supposed to stop for you. No one will and you will die if you try to exert your rights to cross.
This law should be repealed as it is dangerous, useless, and not enforced in any fair way.
Often times, a driver in one lane will stop for the walker, then other traffic will drive around the stopped traffic into the other lane nearly killing the pedestrian who has a false sense of security due to this moronic law.
Agree 100%, ONLY in the BRAINPOWER state would such a law be enacted.

And now they say cars must yield to a biker in a crosswalk. A guy tried that in Oakdale at a Gateway Trail crossing and he had to have both shoulders operated on. You cannot ride a speeding bike across a road at a crosswalk and EXPECT car drivers to see you in time to stop!!

IF the lawmakers want a meanfull pedestrian law then consider what Canada does, if you want to cross the road you stick out your hand and ALL TRAFFIC must stop allowing you to cross.

You don't stop you get ticket! Then enforce the damn law!!

It won't take long for eduction to set in and drivers to yield to pedestrians.
Shotgun P S

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Nov 10, 2010
And while they are at it enact legislation mandating when there is anything dangerous observed on a freeway drivers SHALL turn on their emergency flashers AND SLOW DOWN!!

A friend stopped to tow a broke down pickup on I94 to the Marion Street exit the other night and all the phocking cars do is SPEED BY AND HONK THEIR PHOCKING HORNS!!
St PaulWalker

Eden Prairie, MN

#14 Nov 10, 2010
I walked this same path last night about 30 minutes before this accident. I noticed how dark it was and i was on alert. I alway walk defensively and make sure the driver sees me. I wish that more drivers watched for pedestrians the same way because this is a very walkable and walked area. Please watch for you neighbors on foot and in thier vehicles.
Shotgun P S

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Nov 10, 2010
Shotgun P S wrote:
And while they are at it enact legislation mandating when there is anything dangerous observed on a freeway drivers SHALL turn on their emergency flashers AND SLOW DOWN!!
A friend stopped to tow a broke down pickup on I94 to the Marion Street exit the other night and all the phocking cars do is SPEED BY AND HONK THEIR PHOCKING HORNS!!
Instead of just judgeing my post why don't tell me why it isn't a good idea?
St Paul Irish

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#16 Nov 10, 2010
I run Summit and Grand. I live around the corner from this accident. I cant tell you how many times I have stood at Grand and Dunlap two feet into the crosswalk and no one even slows down. I have been in the middle of Grand and cars will shoot right past me. I have yelled crosswalk and received the finger in return. My wife pushes our child in a stroller and gets the same treatment. The cops cant be everywhere but some select enforcment would be nice.
fre in mn

United States

#17 Nov 10, 2010
Grand Ave is the worst street in St. Paul for pedestrians. All those wonderful shops yet drivers act like it's their street and you, the walker, have no business being there. They speed and give you nasty looks even when you have the green light. I suggest having your will made out before you try to cross Grand.
Joe Blow

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Nov 10, 2010
Tom wrote:
The pedestrian law the do gooders passed in the legislature is dangerous and a complete waste of time.
According to the law cars are supposed to stop at any intersection where there is not a light the moment a pedestrian steps off the curb.
It does not matter if there is a crosswalk or not, it just has to be an intersection of two public roads.
Most drivers, including police officers and bus drivers tend to ignore this law all of the time.
This law is especially dangerous on a busy four lane street like Snelling Avenue near the Fire Station/ Now sports or on Lake street. Try crossing there sometime,and you will die.
The road that ends in a "T" by the TCF/Lunds at Lake street in uptown has no lights or crosswalk, but according to the law you as a pedestrian have the legal right to cross the four or five lanes of one way traffic and everyone is supposed to stop for you. No one will and you will die if you try to exert your rights to cross.
This law should be repealed as it is dangerous, useless, and not enforced in any fair way.
Often times, a driver in one lane will stop for the walker, then other traffic will drive around the stopped traffic into the other lane nearly killing the pedestrian who has a false sense of security due to this moronic law.
The Minnesota Legislature is well know for passing unenforceable laws that cause more pain and suffering than they are worth. Another law that is foolish at best is the "headlights on when using windshield wipers". First there is no cop that I know that will get out of their warm cruiser when it is raining to issue a citation to an offender. Second it is Common Sense and it is bad to try and legislate Common Sense. Third, most people think that the automatic front running lights on newer (and Canadian) cars qualify as Headlights (which they don't), and fourth, our citizens have enough trouble just operating their vehicles, that piling law upon law does nothing more than allow the Cops to make more money for the city/County/State.
ATB23

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Nov 10, 2010
Yeah, that corner is especially dangerous for pedestrians. I walk that area regularly (5-10 times a week). Even with proceeding carefully and only going when it's clear--I've had more than a dozen near-misses from cars turning or just not slowing down when they see me. Now it's my job to make sure I don't get run over, but it's the driver's responsibility to pay attention to who's already in the road.
They do not often see peds due to their speed, the hump of the road at that corner, and all the crazy driveways near Kowalzki's Market. The store has two entrances and an exit on the same 60 foot stretch, PLUS Syndicate, PLUS a bus stop--all on the same side of the road.
Crosswalks invite disaster because they give peds a false sense of safety, but there are other ways to fix the corner (extend the curbs a bit) and by adding some signs and better lighting. to watch for pedestrians.
Here's hoping that something is done before anyone else is hurt or killed.
Shotgun

Plymouth, MN

#21 Nov 10, 2010
ATB23 wrote:
Yeah, that corner is especially dangerous for pedestrians. I walk that area regularly (5-10 times a week). Even with proceeding carefully and only going when it's clear--I've had more than a dozen near-misses from cars turning or just not slowing down when they see me. Now it's my job to make sure I don't get run over, but it's the driver's responsibility to pay attention to who's already in the road.
They do not often see peds due to their speed, the hump of the road at that corner, and all the crazy driveways near Kowalzki's Market. The store has two entrances and an exit on the same 60 foot stretch, PLUS Syndicate, PLUS a bus stop--all on the same side of the road.
Crosswalks invite disaster because they give peds a false sense of safety, but there are other ways to fix the corner (extend the curbs a bit) and by adding some signs and better lighting. to watch for pedestrians.
Here's hoping that something is done before anyone else is hurt or killed.
Wait, you have had close calls at that intersection??

You know IF you have close calls in North Saint Paul Senator Chuck Wiger WILL get you a bridge built.

Chuck did just that and there is a new $1,300,000 bridge under constrcution over highway 120 at highway 36 in North Saint Paul.

Just give Senator Wiger a call and have him get you a bridge. BTW don't tell Chuck there was a traffic death at the intersection because he is primarily interested in close calls.

Evidence of Chucks interest in close calls ONLY is that there have been deaths and injury accidents on highway 36 but good old Chuck is getting the bridge built over 120 where there were close calls ONLY!!!
check cellphone

Minneapolis, MN

#22 Nov 10, 2010
Check the cell phone for calls. Speed kills, cell phones kill, booze kills. Grand Av should
probably be at 25 mph with all the commercial traffic, parallel parking, pedestrian traffic.

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