Man shot, dies on lawn of St. Paul home

Man shot, dies on lawn of St. Paul home

There are 78 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Nov 9, 2010, titled Man shot, dies on lawn of St. Paul home. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

After a barrage of shots were fired in St. Paul's Payne-Phalen neighborhood Tuesday night, a man collapsed and died on the lawn of a home.

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bill

Escanaba, MI

#1 Nov 9, 2010
senseless, this is one of the reasons i left my old neighborhood on the east side, i used to play football at arlington playground obout a block away from where this took place, i remember a time when you could walk down payne avenue at three o'clock in the morning with your boombox blaring on ten, and not even be bothered by the police, so i ask, what the heck happened to the east side?

Since: Aug 10

Pahoa, HI

#2 Nov 9, 2010
Me too. Grew up in the area and it just wasn't like it is now. Unbelievable.
Are you kidding

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Nov 10, 2010
bill wrote:
senseless, this is one of the reasons i left my old neighborhood on the east side, i used to play football at arlington playground obout a block away from where this took place, i remember a time when you could walk down payne avenue at three o'clock in the morning with your boombox blaring on ten, and not even be bothered by the police, so i ask, what the heck happened to the east side?
With all due respect, it is just what you said. Walking down
a street at 3 in the morning, boom box blaring, and not a cop
in town will stop you. While that may not be violent, it is a
sign of zero respect for the neighbors, the neighborhood, and
other peoples rights. That mindset always starts out nonviolent,
but that mindset, once cemented in a neighborhood or society,
eventually goes further. And when police or other neighbors
don't stand up in the beginning, it is too late to stop what
always follows. A mindset of zero respect for others ALWAYS
ends up in violence eventually. Look back to the beginning
and you will understand the end. Your example and this example
is just a matter of degree, not mindset.

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guns guns guns

United States

#4 Nov 10, 2010
the question should be, how do this people get guns so easily? why are guns so easily available in the streets? who is selling this guns that kill over 30,000 people in the u.s.a. every year?
gun rights

United States

#5 Nov 10, 2010
Are you kidding wrote:
<quoted text>
With all due respect, it is just what you said. Walking down
a street at 3 in the morning, boom box blaring, and not a cop
in town will stop you. While that may not be violent, it is a
sign of zero respect for the neighbors, the neighborhood, and
other peoples rights. That mindset always starts out nonviolent,
but that mindset, once cemented in a neighborhood or society,
eventually goes further. And when police or other neighbors
don't stand up in the beginning, it is too late to stop what
always follows. A mindset of zero respect for others ALWAYS
ends up in violence eventually. Look back to the beginning
and you will understand the end. Your example and this example
is just a matter of degree, not mindset.
your absolutely right, another mind set is that nobody wants to talk about is why are this guns so easily available in the streets? how do this guns to get to the streets? who is selling this guns in the streets? who is buying this guns and selling them in the streets?
nobody wants to ask this questions, so the gun deaths keep multiplying.
Marine Mom

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Nov 10, 2010
bill wrote:
senseless, this is one of the reasons i left my old neighborhood on the east side, i used to play football at arlington playground obout a block away from where this took place, i remember a time when you could walk down payne avenue at three o'clock in the morning with your boombox blaring on ten, and not even be bothered by the police, so i ask, what the heck happened to the east side?
I believe it started to go downhill about the same time you started blasting your boombox at 3AM...Ahhh, the good ol'days!
OMG

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Nov 10, 2010
bill wrote:
senseless, this is one of the reasons i left my old neighborhood on the east side, i used to play football at arlington playground obout a block away from where this took place, i remember a time when you could walk down payne avenue at three o'clock in the morning with your boombox blaring on ten, and not even be bothered by the police, so i ask, what the heck happened to the east side?
I agree with a few other of the poster about blasting the boom box at 3 am. Do you still blast your music at 3am where you are now, bet your neighbors love you.
Charlies

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Nov 10, 2010
DANGER!
Blast yer boom box on 10 at 3:00am, in today's world you'll get shot fer sure!
Oh come on now

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Nov 10, 2010
Bill didn't say he blasts his boom box at 3:00 AM. He only said you could have. Good grief. Aren't there enough problems in this world that you wouldn't have to pick something so petty out of someone's post?
Marine Mom

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Nov 10, 2010
Oh come on now wrote:
Bill didn't say he blasts his boom box at 3:00 AM. He only said you could have. Good grief. Aren't there enough problems in this world that you wouldn't have to pick something so petty out of someone's post?
It's the "not even be bothered by the police..." part of his comments that are the part of his post that is just asking for some kind of comeback. Personally, I think the guy is trolling...And I stand by my original response. You don't post that and NOT get some retaliation!
Are you kidding

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Nov 10, 2010
Oh come on now wrote:
Bill didn't say he blasts his boom box at 3:00 AM. He only said you could have. Good grief. Aren't there enough problems in this world that you wouldn't have to pick something so petty out of someone's post?
And I responded in kind. I used "that mindset", "a mindset",
"your example"; at no time did I tell him HE was the one
responsible, only that the mindset he was describing was and
what it ultimately leads to. Who is jumping to conclusions here?
Oh come on now

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Nov 10, 2010
Are you kidding wrote:
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And I responded in kind. I used "that mindset", "a mindset",
"your example"; at no time did I tell him HE was the one
responsible, only that the mindset he was describing was and
what it ultimately leads to. Who is jumping to conclusions here?
I think you're getting upset over nothing, but if that's how you want to start your day - what ever turns you on.
Oh come on now

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Nov 10, 2010
Marine Mom wrote:
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It's the "not even be bothered by the police..." part of his comments that are the part of his post that is just asking for some kind of comeback. Personally, I think the guy is trolling...And I stand by my original response. You don't post that and NOT get some retaliation!
And I'm going to stand on my original statement that you picked a petty reason to get upset at him - but I guess some posters come here for that, so what ever.
Oh come on now

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Nov 10, 2010
Marine Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
It's the "not even be bothered by the police..." part of his comments that are the part of his post that is just asking for some kind of comeback. Personally, I think the guy is trolling...And I stand by my original response. You don't post that and NOT get some retaliation!
BTW, I hope your son/daughter comes home soon. I am grateful and thankful for their service. I think most people thought it was going to be a short stint like Desert Storm, but that sure hasn't been the case. It's when the boots land on the ground that they are fighting a old fashioned war and they're put at the greatest risk. I will continue to pray for their protection and a speedy return home.

“Just dance.........”

Since: Jan 09

East Side

#17 Nov 10, 2010
Quote<According to a resident of the building, the man had a child with a young woman who lives in the building. However, he did not live there. >

Of course he didn't live there or she wouldn't be able to get her welfare money. Anyway, so no one saw anything? 11 bullets fired & no witnesses saw a person or car speeding away. I'm guessing it wasn't gang related & the man was changing career paths.
Zeke

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Nov 10, 2010
guns guns guns wrote:
the question should be, how do this people get guns so easily? why are guns so easily available in the streets? who is selling this guns that kill over 30,000 people in the u.s.a. every year?
It's big business...there are 15,000,000 million guns sold in the United States every year...there are more guns than people, but it's 44% of the people that own 85% of the guns.

Every year in the United States, nearly 10,000 people are killed by a gun. In England 40, in Germany 60, in Finland 17, in Canada 200.

Especially with handguns, the United States needs stricter gun laws and background checks. Severe penalties for use of a handgun in commission of a crime.

Handguns are 6 times more likely to be used as a threat than they are to be used in self defense.

If you want to own a handgun, which are designed to be concealed and used against people, we should know who you are, and if you use it in a threatening manor the courts should throw the book at you.

There, that should get all the gun loving, Sarah Palin backers riled up, shouldn't it?

“Just dance.........”

Since: Jan 09

East Side

#19 Nov 10, 2010
bill wrote:
senseless, this is one of the reasons i left my old neighborhood on the east side, i used to play football at arlington playground obout a block away from where this took place, i remember a time when you could walk down payne avenue at three o'clock in the morning with your boombox blaring on ten, and not even be bothered by the police, so i ask, what the heck happened to the east side?
Walking around at 3 in the morning with a boom box blaring? Really? I sure hope u can do that in the safety of whatever neighborhood u moved into. Your neighbors must love u. Idiot.
nancy

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Nov 10, 2010
he was a good boy
Mad Dog Gus

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Nov 10, 2010
Zeke wrote:
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It's big business...there are 15,000,000 million guns sold in the United States every year...there are more guns than people, but it's 44% of the people that own 85% of the guns.
Every year in the United States, nearly 10,000 people are killed by a gun. In England 40, in Germany 60, in Finland 17, in Canada 200.
Especially with handguns, the United States needs stricter gun laws and background checks. Severe penalties for use of a handgun in commission of a crime.
Handguns are 6 times more likely to be used as a threat than they are to be used in self defense.
If you want to own a handgun, which are designed to be concealed and used against people, we should know who you are, and if you use it in a threatening manor the courts should throw the book at you.
There, that should get all the gun loving, Sarah Palin backers riled up, shouldn't it?
Slow down Zeke, I'm sure you meant 15 million, not 15,000,000 million guns sole each year in the United States...that would be a big number!
All killing is sad

Saint Paul, MN

#22 Nov 10, 2010
nancy wrote:
he was a good boy
Sympathies to his friends and family.

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