Judge: Swift Transportation violated labor law with two firings

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It was a split decision, however, as the judge ruled that the company had the legal right to fire two other drivers who were also involved in the campaign. Full Story
Joe

AOL

#1 Dec 30, 2009
A victory for the DAMN unions who are responsible for much of the trouble Kalifornia is having presently. Unions are greedy that is why U.S. businesses are moving overseas to survive.
Non Union

United States

#2 Dec 30, 2009
How many of these drivers are here illegally?
Joe LaForm

United States

#3 Dec 30, 2009
Joe wrote:
A victory for the DAMN unions who are responsible for much of the trouble Kalifornia is having presently. Unions are greedy that is why U.S. businesses are moving overseas to survive.
you are an idiot. Keep watching Fox. You'll be misinformed and ok.
Southbay Resident Too

United States

#4 Dec 30, 2009
Joe, unions are a waste of existence. All they do is provide propaganda leading in the inflation of costs where ever they get involved.

Keeping your union dues until your job is being done by Cambodians at a 10th of the cost. When you no longer have a job, you're still responsible for paying your union dues. PROOF, they're just lining their pockets.
Willy

Plymouth, PA

#5 Dec 30, 2009
Southbay Resident Too wrote:
Joe, unions are a waste of existence. All they do is provide propaganda leading in the inflation of costs where ever they get involved.
Keeping your union dues until your job is being done by Cambodians at a 10th of the cost. When you no longer have a job, you're still responsible for paying your union dues. PROOF, they're just lining their pockets.
Correct here is what some of them make. http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionOfficer...
Truth

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Dec 30, 2009
Unions are what brought us all the 40 hour work week so that we can have weekends off. They fought for holiday pay, sick pay, vacation pay, health insurance, retirement and other benefits. If employers are allowed to fire those who fight for better working conditions, we would all be back to making minimum wage and no benefits working in sweat shop conditions. Rather than attack unions we should be praising them and joining in the fight for better jobs and better benefits for ALL workers.
been there done that

London, KY

#7 Dec 30, 2009
Truth wrote:
Unions are what brought us all the 40 hour work week so that we can have weekends off. They fought for holiday pay, sick pay, vacation pay, health insurance, retirement and other benefits. If employers are allowed to fire those who fight for better working conditions, we would all be back to making minimum wage and no benefits working in sweat shop conditions. Rather than attack unions we should be praising them and joining in the fight for better jobs and better benefits for ALL workers.
I don't like Unions AND your putting bad information out there. We are rolling sweatshops thanks to DEMOCRATS. Truck Drivers don't have 40 HR weeks with overtime beyond 40 HRS. Even the organized ones paid by the hour. The Democrat Party excluded us in the 1938 Fair Labor act, we were the ONLY blue collar profession excluded and that was before Deregulation when the majority of drivers were Unionized. To be honest when FDR and the Dems pushed the bill into law they excluded Truck Drivers on purpose because they were organized and had the teamster money already so there was no need to repersent them. The Dems have a history of shitting on Truck Drivers organized and non organized and here is a breif history:

* 1938 Excluded the profession from 40 hour week rules
* 1947 Portal-to-Portal Act specified exactly what type of time was considered compensable work time. Docked time was excluded for truck drivers.
* 1962 The Contract Work Hours Standards Act allowed companies to devise these wonderful schemes in Leasing to cheat drivers out of benifits.
* 1962 Bobby Kennedy raided the Teamsters Pension trust because our wonderful Unions were ran by mafia and building Casinos with it. The Government never returned money to the drivers either.
* 1993 FMLA Act, has a side bar in the bill that forced driver to accept the workmans comp and laws of the employer in what ever state they resided in. A trucker from CA who works for JB Hunt is forced to accept Arkansas employment law, workmans comp, and has the right to work as the state: Arkansas is a Right to Work State and even though CA is not the worker must abided by Right to Work regulations.
* 1995 Clinton, Devised the per diem plan that cheat drivers out of Social Security benifits and assigns the tax break for living on the road to the company. The only winner with Per Diem is a trucking company.
* 2010 Obama FMRC2010 will force 175,000 drivers off the road to be replaced with cheaper labor
* 2010 Closed ports down to small biz
* 2010 Green energy forces more freight on trains and reduces Independent Truckers profits with new emission standards.

Any Truck driver that votes for a DEMOCRAT is a damn fool. The have been pissing down our backs for 72 years and calling it rain. Our Unions are no better and are the funding source for all these wonderful policies becuase they support only Democrats.
been there done that

London, KY

#8 Dec 30, 2009
Non Union wrote:
How many of these drivers are here illegally?
I will answer that. technically NONE! A CDL is a federal endorsement and a must have to do the job. A state may allow an illegal to get a regular DL but the Department of Transportation both state and federal most approve a CDL. Feds will not approve one for an illegal. Many legal aliens have them. Mexico and Canada both have trucks here operating because of NAFTA. Any illegal who is driving because I am sure there is a box truck somewhere in Texas or NJ that has a bad owner who hired one will be caught eventually and jailed.
Michael J Serafin

Dayton, TX

#9 Dec 30, 2009
Joe |AOL] is a misinformed moron. Unions are what made the middle class in this country. Anyone notice the middle class is slowly dissappearing!
been there done that

London, KY

#10 Dec 30, 2009
Michael J Serafin wrote:
Joe |AOL] is a misinformed moron. Unions are what made the middle class in this country. Anyone notice the middle class is slowly dissappearing!
Speaking as a Truck driver in a TRUCKING thread your wrong about what I do and the Industry I work in. The Teamsters screw us over by loaning pension funds to criminals. They take our dues and support the Democrat party who pass laws that put us out of work, cheat us out of over time, and side with the companies over the drivers. See the list I made in this thread.

I will not haul auto parts unless it is to a JAPANESE company. The Lazy bumbs of the UAW are the worse in America. I know other people that make $50-60 bucks an hour, they are called Lawyers! Unskilled Labor making that much money getting paid off for political donations in the form of corprate welfare is a sham. I will not BUY an American car because of that. The quaility is horrid compared to Japanese cars and trucks to.

I don't haul American auto parts because you can sit and wait 5-8 hrs to unload, uncompensated while a lazy Union worker plays cards in a break room. I saw it happen and had it happen to me in Fort Wayne IN. I bumped a dock at 7 AM behind 3 other trucks. The forklift driver unloaded the first two in an hour and then went into a break room and played cards for 3 hours because his quoata was made until after lunch. Came back and milked the two remaining trucks until 3 pm. The reason Gainey is bankrupt now is all those auto parts contracts they did. Don't even get me started on the people who get paid 80% of wages to sit home on call with GM and Chrysler. Ford does it to but they use their own money. the other two are playing with Tax payer money now.
supertrucker

Dallas, TX

#11 Dec 30, 2009
been there done that wrote:
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Speaking as a Truck driver in a TRUCKING thread your wrong about what I do and the Industry I work in. The Teamsters screw us over by loaning pension funds to criminals. They take our dues and support the Democrat party who pass laws that put us out of work, cheat us out of over time, and side with the companies over the drivers. See the list I made in this thread.
I will not haul auto parts unless it is to a JAPANESE company. The Lazy bumbs of the UAW are the worse in America. I know other people that make $50-60 bucks an hour, they are called Lawyers! Unskilled Labor making that much money getting paid off for political donations in the form of corprate welfare is a sham. I will not BUY an American car because of that. The quaility is horrid compared to Japanese cars and trucks to.
I don't haul American auto parts because you can sit and wait 5-8 hrs to unload, uncompensated while a lazy Union worker plays cards in a break room. I saw it happen and had it happen to me in Fort Wayne IN. I bumped a dock at 7 AM behind 3 other trucks. The forklift driver unloaded the first two in an hour and then went into a break room and played cards for 3 hours because his quoata was made until after lunch. Came back and milked the two remaining trucks until 3 pm. The reason Gainey is bankrupt now is all those auto parts contracts they did. Don't even get me started on the people who get paid 80% of wages to sit home on call with GM and Chrysler. Ford does it to but they use their own money. the other two are playing with Tax payer money now.
Hehe, sounds like you are just jealous? Teamster pensions are all in mutual funds. Yeah there is a little fraud in a mutual fund, but its pretty tough to pull off. Unions are great. You just don't know what you are missing until you join one. Its not like you are going to become some big wig like Dougie and its actually going to effect your pocketbook. The union is the only hope a truck drive has to earn a decent living driving truck. I'm living proof. I hauled for YRC. The economy took a dive and I got laid off. Now I'm hauling mail for a contractor which should be union in my opinion, but someone doesn't want it that way. I get about .20cpm less, stay in motels for 24 hours or more on a layover and get $50 instead of hourly after 8 hours, get paid an hourly rate which doesn't correspond to the time involved running the run, buy my own health insurance, no pension just 401k after a year at $1000 a year, etc etc etc. It sucks not being in the union. I'm about ready to go talk to my old BA.
been there done that

London, KY

#12 Dec 30, 2009
supertrucker wrote:
<quoted text>
Hehe, sounds like you are just jealous? Teamster pensions are all in mutual funds. Yeah there is a little fraud in a mutual fund, but its pretty tough to pull off. Unions are great. You just don't know what you are missing until you join one. Its not like you are going to become some big wig like Dougie and its actually going to effect your pocketbook. The union is the only hope a truck drive has to earn a decent living driving truck. I'm living proof. I hauled for YRC. The economy took a dive and I got laid off. Now I'm hauling mail for a contractor which should be union in my opinion, but someone doesn't want it that way. I get about .20cpm less, stay in motels for 24 hours or more on a layover and get $50 instead of hourly after 8 hours, get paid an hourly rate which doesn't correspond to the time involved running the run, buy my own health insurance, no pension just 401k after a year at $1000 a year, etc etc etc. It sucks not being in the union. I'm about ready to go talk to my old BA.
Hey Supertrucker, chew on this. YRC will close before the 1st week in Jan ends. Read the link. Analyst say it will be forced to file bankruptcy this WEEKEND and it's 50/50 it will close forever right now. Your Pension is GONE, I take no joy in telling you that but it proves my point Democrats and Unions have been screwing truckers for ever.

http://www.startribune.com/business/80350912....
GARY

Rockville, MD

#13 Dec 31, 2009
Truth wrote:
Unions are what brought us all the 40 hour work week so that we can have weekends off. They fought for holiday pay, sick pay, vacation pay, health insurance, retirement and other benefits. If employers are allowed to fire those who fight for better working conditions, we would all be back to making minimum wage and no benefits working in sweat shop conditions. Rather than attack unions we should be praising them and joining in the fight for better jobs and better benefits for ALL workers.
Especially transportation workers. The TL driver has no 40hr work week or weekends off. They usually dwell on the shack-on-back, make below minimum wage and swear up and down they are getting rich.
__________

BATTERED TRUCK DWELLER SYNDROME

Work One Hundred (Plus) Hours Per Week

Log It Within The Allowed Seventy

Get Paid (Maybe) for Fifty Of Those Hours

WILL WORK FOR BUFFET MONEY AND SHINY LUG NUT COVERS
GARY

Rockville, MD

#14 Dec 31, 2009
been there done that wrote:
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Hey Supertrucker, chew on this. YRC will close before the 1st week in Jan ends. Read the link. Analyst say it will be forced to file bankruptcy this WEEKEND and it's 50/50 it will close forever right now.

Your Pension is GONE, I take no joy in telling you that but it proves my point Democrats and Unions have been screwing truckers for ever.

http://www.startribune.com/business/80350912....
The pension is not gone if the driver works up to retirement, just like any other job except the government of course. And since the union(s) helped Obama get elected, they are above worrying about loss of health care and/or pension.

Like the man said, you have to work a TEAMSTER job to understand and appreciate it.
GARY

Rockville, MD

#15 Dec 31, 2009
Joe wrote:
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A victory for the DAMN unions who are responsible for much of the trouble Kalifornia is having presently.

Unions are greedy that is why U.S. businesses are moving overseas to survive.
Businesses are moving overseas to escape the bureaucracy and high taxes here, that and corporate greed. Labor is not an issue but a given as most here cannot work for a bowl of rice a day.

Now unions that represent government workers are the ones that are having an effect on the economy. The only safe job to have now is with the government.
supertrucker

Dallas, TX

#16 Dec 31, 2009
been there done that wrote:
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Hey Supertrucker, chew on this. YRC will close before the 1st week in Jan ends. Read the link. Analyst say it will be forced to file bankruptcy this WEEKEND and it's 50/50 it will close forever right now. Your Pension is GONE, I take no joy in telling you that but it proves my point Democrats and Unions have been screwing truckers for ever.
http://www.startribune.com/business/80350912....
The pension is not controlled or owned by YRC. The pension wouldn't be there if it was. Teamster jobs are good jobs for the industry that you are in. There are a few Teamster jobs that suck, but it is very unusual. If you are just a working man Blue Collar worker then you can't get any better representation. The Teasmters have over a million members. The YRC membership is a small percentage of that. I worked at a cold storage as well called USCO. I know my Teamster work.
been there done that

London, KY

#17 Dec 31, 2009
GARY wrote:
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The pension is not gone if the driver works up to retirement, just like any other job except the government of course. And since the union(s) helped Obama get elected, they are above worrying about loss of health care and/or pension.
Like the man said, you have to work a TEAMSTER job to understand and appreciate it.
I Was a Teamster at Crossett in Cincinnati OH. It's owned by Castillini. Made $13 an hour, time and a half for all hours worked over 40, per our contract. Health Insurance sucked. No Pension. Paid about the same as driving over the road for a regional company that got you home on weekends and a couple days a week. They have perdiem $50 for over night stay, sleep in the truck, 3 days a week away from home. 55 hour per week worked. I spent a year working there and it sucked being a teamster.

Here is why:

*$400 Initiation Dues
* 1.5% of wages as regular dues, used to support Democrats
* Required to participate in fund raising and campaigns for Democrats UNPAID by teamsters outside of work center.
* Rewarded useless workers based on senority
* No promotion possibilty because of the contract.

FYI I started a month before contract was voted on and didn't have a vote because it was probation period for me. Only the Drivers were Unionized but because the TEAMSTERS wanted more dues they organized dock workers who out numbered the drivers, dock workers voted themselves a good pay raise while the wages of drivers went down. unskilled gained as skilled lost! Many drivers lost wages so the Teamsters could gain dues. Isn't the teamsters suppose to be a drivers Union?

Your from MI, that state has had a 10+_ Unemployment rate for almost five years, close to 16% now, with discouraged workers counted it could be 25-30%.....way to go Unions.
been there done that

London, KY

#18 Dec 31, 2009
I am sorry about posting bad information supertrucker, your right the pension fund is not controlled by YRC and if they don't get a deal with bond holders it's safe. But it's way under funded and if the company goes the Governmnet will take it over and reduce payout amounts to retired workers because the amount promised is more than the national cuttoff.
supertrucker

Dallas, TX

#19 Dec 31, 2009
been there done that wrote:
I am sorry about posting bad information supertrucker, your right the pension fund is not controlled by YRC and if they don't get a deal with bond holders it's safe. But it's way under funded and if the company goes the Governmnet will take it over and reduce payout amounts to retired workers because the amount promised is more than the national cuttoff.
Go over to the London Auto Truck at 41 and ask all those toothless hillbillies how much they are making. It sure isn't $20hr like a Teamster.

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