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A Reptile Dysfunction

Calabasas, CA

#1 Jul 30, 2010
"As the nation's largest minority group, Latinos account for a growing share of the pool of workers, yet their skills may not be up to par."

There's not much of a demand yet for Chicano Studies majors.
Or those with Marching & Demonstrating degrees.
Or Teenage Babycare.

The Gangbanging field is still pretty limited; except for those who can speak United States well enough to apply to the Grinning Midget for "anti-gang" funding.

However, when Obama frees up enough Chicano Stimulus money, I expect these fields to become wide open.

Herb

Saint George, UT

#2 Jul 30, 2010
I hardly know where to begin. The phrase coined by Daniel P. Moynihan, "Tangle of pathology," comes to mind, though he was talking about black families, not Latino ones. One problem is that they have got to get control of that childbearing. You can't raise three children on one minimum wage job. The Catholic Church has done these people such a disservice. They need to use their priest or the Pope as a role model and have the same number of children as either of them has had, or maybe one more. Then there is education, and here Latinos are not solely to blame. During the seventies, the decade that brought you American collective stupidity, we decided to end tracking in schools by ability or motivation or both. Thus, in a typical algebra one class, which everyone has to take to graduate, I'll have maybe four students who can do algebra and 33 others who sit and rock in their desks and throw things, because they can't do arithmetic, much less algebra, and have no motivation. At the end of the year the four capables will have gotten Cs, which is an excellent grade for that class, because of the chaos. You who are reading this might say that a better teacher could cope with the chaos better or even end it, and you may be right, but teeachers get no backing and I have only finite energy and am thinking that conditions could be better. The unmotivated and incapable should be tracked away but we can't do that because we decided that all students are equally capable, no matter how nuts that sounds. All my students say they are going to college and becoming either lawyers or pediatricians, and they have no idea of the demands of law or medical school. Instead of algebra through quadratics they should be taught how to balance a checkbook and do a budget so maybe we would see fewer instances of huge families trying to survive on parents with minimum wage jobs. Sorry aabout the rant; there's a lot of frustration here.
A Reptile Dysfunction

San Gabriel, CA

#3 Jul 31, 2010
Herb wrote:
I hardly know where to begin. The phrase coined by Daniel P. Moynihan, "Tangle of pathology," comes to mind, though he was talking about black families, not Latino ones. One problem is that they have got to get control of that childbearing. You can't raise three children on one minimum wage job. The Catholic Church has done these people such a disservice. They need to use their priest or the Pope as a role model and have the same number of children as either of them has had, or maybe one more. Then there is education, and here Latinos are not solely to blame. During the seventies, the decade that brought you American collective stupidity, we decided to end tracking in schools by ability or motivation or both. Thus, in a typical algebra one class, which everyone has to take to graduate, I'll have maybe four students who can do algebra and 33 others who sit and rock in their desks and throw things, because they can't do arithmetic, much less algebra, and have no motivation. At the end of the year the four capables will have gotten Cs, which is an excellent grade for that class, because of the chaos. You who are reading this might say that a better teacher could cope with the chaos better or even end it, and you may be right, but teeachers get no backing and I have only finite energy and am thinking that conditions could be better. The unmotivated and incapable should be tracked away but we can't do that because we decided that all students are equally capable, no matter how nuts that sounds. All my students say they are going to college and becoming either lawyers or pediatricians, and they have no idea of the demands of law or medical school. Instead of algebra through quadratics they should be taught how to balance a checkbook and do a budget so maybe we would see fewer instances of huge families trying to survive on parents with minimum wage jobs. Sorry aabout the rant; there's a lot of frustration here.
You've got that right, Herb.

Parents who raise their kids with the expectation of becoming gangbangers or teen-age mommas have NO business dropping anchor babies in the first place.
Stan

San Gabriel, CA

#4 Jul 31, 2010
Attending college should not be a dream, but rather an expectation.
Old School

Hilo, HI

#5 Jul 31, 2010
The trouble with dreams, as in the American Dream or the educational Dream Act, is that to make them come true requires that the dreamer wake up and enact the discipline of hard work and planning. Like Herb, I have had students who could barely write a cohesive sentence tell me in all seriousness that they are planning to become a doctor! Somehow they seem to think that they are placing an order and it will magically be delivered. Why not? They have no clue how the system works or how inadequate they are compounded by the school system pumping up their "self-esteem" (read B.S.) and pretending that all brains and skills are equal and never revealing what is really required or how woefully illiterate they really are.
Theodore Smith III

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Jul 31, 2010
So, the reason Latinos do not go to college is their aversion to borrowing money. Perhaps as we are giving out healthcare and other social services we should pay for college too.
I worked my way through undergraduate and law school. In law school I loaded trucks from 12am to 8am in the morning in the summers--even worked on a rig while in school in Louisiana. If it is your "dream" you work at it to get it done. This is what America offers you, the opportunity to work at it, dig?
I'm African Amrican. I didn't stop because of some past discrimination either real or imagined to my race or family from attaining my dream. I did not stop to have kids,or take a vacation. I did not divert. I earned mine and am proud of it as well as for meeting the people who helped because they saw my commitment along the way.
This is a great country for those who are willing to work at it, dig?
Theodore Smith III

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Jul 31, 2010
Lastly, Latinos are becoming like African-Americans in many ways-- they are constantly crying about what they don't have and are looking for the government to rectify it.
Again, this is a great country. It is amazing what can happen here when you put your mind to it.
The word should be: join America and celebrate the opportunity.
Panthro

Humble, TX

#8 Feb 6, 2012
Theodore Smith III wrote:
Lastly, Latinos are becoming like African-Americans in many ways-- they are constantly crying about what they don't have and are looking for the government to rectify it.
Again, this is a great country. It is amazing what can happen here when you put your mind to it.
The word should be: join America and celebrate the opportunity.
Hey Theo, we don't know you did all those things you say you did. Sure you make yourself sound like you're superman and all that, but I think you might be exagerating. People exagerate a little sometimes when they want to get a point across...You're sad..

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