Scotts Valley buys gateway to new tow...

Scotts Valley buys gateway to new town center

There are 33 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Jan 21, 2010, titled Scotts Valley buys gateway to new town center. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

City leaders unanimously agreed Wednesday night to buy the last parcel needed in Scotts Valley's quest to build a new town center.

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Bad SV Politics

Santa Cruz, CA

#1 Jan 21, 2010
Isn't it interesting how the City Council will overpay millions of dollars to a specific business using an outdated property appraisal while at the same time squabble over a few thousand dollars on ADA improvements throughout the city that would help many in the community? It is amazing to watch the priorities of this dysfunctional city council at work.
Reality

Hayward, CA

#2 Jan 21, 2010
I'm amazed that they have the money to buy anything right now.
FYI

San Jose, CA

#3 Jan 21, 2010
Randy Johnson was absent because he was busy getting his ars kicked by the Santa Cruz Varsity basketball team. See sports section.
FYI

San Jose, CA

#4 Jan 21, 2010
Oooh, I see they play Harbor tonight. Back to back ars kickings. But that's okay Randy. The council apparently doesn't need you present to spend money.
Disinflation

Santa Cruz, CA

#5 Jan 21, 2010
"Isn't it interesting how the City Council will overpay millions of dollars to a specific business"

maybe i'm missing something here, but the property was only worth around 2mil. 1.3 mil/acre for prime real estate isn't too far off Sure, maybe in an ideal market, they overpaid by 25%, but it secures a pro growth standpoint. The 600,000 to help move the tanks, well.....

Expanding shopping opportunities in SV is smart growth for the county as a whole. It has the access and the location for all the commuters, river rats, and mountain folk.
Valley

Ladera Ranch, CA

#6 Jan 21, 2010
They should wait - prices will be a lot lower not that far out in the future.
tell the truth

South San Francisco, CA

#7 Jan 21, 2010
Bad SV Politics wrote:
Isn't it interesting how the City Council will overpay millions of dollars to a specific business using an outdated property appraisal while at the same time squabble over a few thousand dollars on ADA improvements throughout the city that would help many in the community? It is amazing to watch the priorities of this dysfunctional city council at work.
What's really amazing is the falsehoods that some people continue to tell when they think they are anonymous. Instead of overpaying, as Ciuncilman Aguilar notes in her quotes and as the article says, the appraisal came back very favorable. The ADA discussions also made it clear the Council majority wanted a comprehensive assessment of needs before spending money willy-nilly. The fact that the city is careful with money is why the city is in good shape today and the Council is well regarded.
Scotts

Ladera Ranch, CA

#8 Jan 21, 2010
Why do they need or want this Town Center project?
Nurse Ralph

Santa Cruz, CA

#9 Jan 21, 2010
WooHoo! Bring on PF CHANGS and CALIFORNIA PIZZA KITCHEN in our new Downtown!
SV careful with money

South San Francisco, CA

#10 Jan 21, 2010
Bad SV Politics wrote:
Isn't it interesting how the City Council will overpay millions of dollars to a specific business using an outdated property appraisal while at the same time squabble over a few thousand dollars on ADA improvements throughout the city that would help many in the community? It is amazing to watch the priorities of this dysfunctional city council at work.
Those like the poster above who fault the Council for being too stingy w/ taxpayer dollars on the ADA improvements aren't thinking of the big picture. Public dollars should only be spent after a thorough review of alternatives and a strong necessity. A majority clearly felt that wasn't the case last night.
The Council did the right thing to not spend the money. I'm glad the free spender above who wants spending without priorities is on the sidelines and doesn't have his hand in my wallet.
Craig

San Jose, CA

#11 Jan 21, 2010
"Amerigas, another propane company on Mount Hermon Road, has yet to work out plans to move its tanks or sell land to the city, something Scotts Valley leaders would like to happen before the town center project moves forward. But council members said that purchase is not essential to the town center's development, as it doesn't occupy the Mount Hermon Road frontage space that Suburban Propane does."

Um - how is that? Last time I checked Amerigas was located right on Mount Hermon road - just like Suburban. Plus its at the corner - I would think that property would be more desirable and necessary.
They Dont

Santa Cruz, CA

#12 Jan 21, 2010
Reality wrote:
I'm amazed that they have the money to buy anything right now.
The sold bonds to pay for it. Too bad the voters never got a say in the bonds, they dust did the same way that they sold bonds without first asking the voters for the library project. They think our wallets and future paychecks are theirs.
An old appraisal

Santa Cruz, CA

#13 Jan 21, 2010
Disinflation wrote:
"Isn't it interesting how the City Council will overpay millions of dollars to a specific business"
maybe i'm missing something here, but the property was only worth around 2mil. 1.3 mil/acre for prime real estate isn't too far off Sure, maybe in an ideal market, they overpaid by 25%, but it secures a pro growth standpoint. The 600,000 to help move the tanks, well.....
Expanding shopping opportunities in SV is smart growth for the county as a whole. It has the access and the location for all the commuters, river rats, and mountain folk.
You are missing something. The appraisal wasn't a recent appraisal it was 2 1/2 years old. The property wasn't worth anything near what they paid.
jon bart

United States

#14 Jan 21, 2010
seems like a town center will cause far more traffic than the target store everybody was crying about.
TAW

Watsonville, CA

#15 Jan 21, 2010
The town center will be like a mini Santana Row. I say bring it on!
Lack of patience

United States

#16 Jan 21, 2010
This council has been more aggressive than any of their predecessors in their pursuit of economic development. Previous councils were content to wait for the economy to raise all boats. This council truly believes that spending city dollars to pave the way and remove obstacles will make things happen faster. They are personally comfortable putting city / RDA $$ into play. Will they be correct? The jury remains out on that.

Based on historical development practices, a more patient council would see the wanna-be developer coming forward with the funds to move Suburban, and Amerigas, and fund the EIR, etc. Claims by the developers that the council has been in discussion with that these are genuine roadblocks are just negotiating tactics that have saved them big $$. It's just a question of who puts forth the money to move the obstacles. This council apparently felt the risk of spending $$ was less than the risk of deterring otherwise reluctant developers.

When some developer comes to the conclusion that the SV town center project is financially viable, it won't be +/- the $2-3M that the council has invested on their behalf that makes the difference. This is small change in the context of an investment likely to be in the range of $100M. It will be the overall economy that makes or breaks this deal.

But the deal is done. We elected these guys to manage our city, so we're living with the result. If the residents prefer a more conservative bunch (these folks may be republicans, but they are not your father's republicans!), they can let that be know during the next election.
Are they Democrats

Santa Cruz, CA

#17 Jan 21, 2010
Lack of patience wrote:
This council has been more aggressive than any of their predecessors in their pursuit of economic development. Previous councils were content to wait for the economy to raise all boats. This council truly believes that spending city dollars to pave the way and remove obstacles will make things happen faster. They are personally comfortable putting city / RDA $$ into play. Will they be correct? The jury remains out on that.
Based on historical development practices, a more patient council would see the wanna-be developer coming forward with the funds to move Suburban, and Amerigas, and fund the EIR, etc. Claims by the developers that the council has been in discussion with that these are genuine roadblocks are just negotiating tactics that have saved them big $$. It's just a question of who puts forth the money to move the obstacles. This council apparently felt the risk of spending $$ was less than the risk of deterring otherwise reluctant developers.
When some developer comes to the conclusion that the SV town center project is financially viable, it won't be +/- the $2-3M that the council has invested on their behalf that makes the difference. This is small change in the context of an investment likely to be in the range of $100M. It will be the overall economy that makes or breaks this deal.
But the deal is done. We elected these guys to manage our city, so we're living with the result. If the residents prefer a more conservative bunch (these folks may be republicans, but they are not your father's republicans!), they can let that be know during the next election.
From all of their spending of our money this past year, I honestly thought Bustichi and his crew were democrats. What makes you think they are republicans?
bs_spotter

United States

#19 Jan 21, 2010
Usually I am an advocate of slow growth or limited growth but I think relocating the propane companies to an industrial zone is a good idea for safety reasons. I realize these business were there before the strip malls but, the area has changed. I am interested in seeing how the new development in Scotts Valley and the work done in Aptos Village will pan out. It is not often you get to see new downtowns born. The bad thing about these projects is that they most likely will be too dense with too many chain store retail shops and these new downtowns will be lacking in local color. Also, if they do it wrong it will look like any other suburban strip mall. Does the project approval have provisions for architectural variety?
Lars

Santa Cruz, CA

#20 Jan 21, 2010
local wrote:
The mexicants are comming, you see more and more of them..soon crime will grow just like it did in downtown in SC.
Good buy SV, you were a nice little town at one time but I guess it's just a short amount of time mixed with a large amount of greed until you are a crime riddled mess like SC
Ryan, knock it off! Back to your room!
SkiSanger

Palo Alto, CA

#21 Jan 21, 2010
This video shows what can happen when you have large propane tanks in the middle of a city.



It was worth the $2.6 million just to ensure this never happens in Scotts Valley. And hey, they got a nice peice of land too.

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