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Brady poll: People dona t want guns in Starbucks

There are 105 comments on the Seattle Business Journal story from May 13, 2010, titled Brady poll: People dona t want guns in Starbucks. In it, Seattle Business Journal reports that:

A survey by a national anti-gun group says that most people don't want Starbucks customers carrying guns into coffee shops.

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“When good minds go bad....”

Since: Dec 09

Louisiana

#1 May 13, 2010
Survey done by Lake Research Partners. They certainly sound unbiased to me...... From their website:

"Celinda Lake is one of the Democratic Party’s leading pollsters and political strategists, serving as tactician and senior advisor to the national party committees, dozens of Democratic incumbents and challengers at all levels of the electoral process.

She also works for Nancy Pelosi, the first female Speaker of the House. Prior to forming Lake Research Partners, Lake was partner and vice president at Greenberg-Lake."

With that resume you can guarantee it's "unbiased"!

GPM

“DILLIGAF?”

Since: Aug 08

San Antonio, TX

#2 May 13, 2010
Seriously, McDonald's, Burger King and Dunkin Donuts make better coffee for less. If they ban firearms, I will just switch from rarely to never.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#3 May 13, 2010
"Since its formation, Lake Research Partners has become one of the most respected Democratic polling firms in the country. The firm's work has moved the progressive agenda forward on a variety of issues. Working against the conservatives, Celinda’s research demonstrated that the phrase "religious political extremists” was much more communicative than the vernacular "religious right." In the healthcare arena, her research showed that talking about "reducing health care costs" and the 8 out of 10 working families without adequate health insurance was key. Her interviews and statistics have been quoted in the Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal as well as a variety of magazines, including Newsweek, Glamour and Marie Claire, and Celinda has appeared on numerous television and radio news programs, including CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Fox News and NPR, discussing her work and providing expert commentary."

And I especially like this part:

"...I know I can count on Celinda and her team to get the facts that we need, interpret and explain them in a strategic way, and help us advance new ideas and opportunities for women and their families."

Explain in a strategic way...?...is that like "lie"...?

http://www.lakeresearch.com/people/president....

“When good minds go bad....”

Since: Dec 09

Louisiana

#4 May 13, 2010
GPM wrote:
Seriously, McDonald's, Burger King and Dunkin Donuts make better coffee for less. If they ban firearms, I will just switch from rarely to never.
I suppose. But Starbucks tried to stay neutral in the whole ordeal and now is being bullied by the Brady Bunch. It's a national coffee chain, and even though we didn't chose this battleground, it's become valuable high ground, very much worth fighting for. If Starbucks holds firm, it may embolden McDonalds, BK and the rest to tell the Brady bunch to take a hike should the battle move there.
Jay

United States

#5 May 13, 2010
Brady poll? Don't believe their false statistics. I still conceal carry there anyway. If they put their silly anti-gun signs, all they can do is kick me out. But they gotta catch me first. I only obey Federal and state laws, not private property laws when it comes to concealed carry.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#6 May 13, 2010
Starbucks sucks They are a German Company
fooman

Anaheim, CA

#7 May 13, 2010
Why do people think they get to decide what a business allows and does not allow? Why do we even care what they think, especially from an inconsequential web poll? Unless you own the company, how about just shutting the hell up and go choke on your overprice pretentious turd water.

“Shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Nov 09

Phoenix, AZ.

#8 May 14, 2010
The U.S. Constitution, and the "TRANSCENDENT laws of nature and of Nature's God" TRUMP >ANY< lying 'brady' poll. Our rights were NEVER intended to be made subject to the will of the tyrannical 'majority' here in the United States. And that's one of the main reasons that we are a Constitutional Republic, and NOT a 'democracy'.

"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT be infringed" still STANDS as part of the "SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND".

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#9 May 14, 2010
The truth is most people don't care if people are armed when drinking Starbucks coffee or eating a burger at McDonalds or BurgerKing.

Paul Helmke has nazi values. That should make all Americanos angry. I would never buy and drink coffee at Starbucks if or when Helmke is there. Starbucks should ban him from their stores.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#10 May 14, 2010
A poll can yield predetermined results using a carefully crafted question or series of questions. You can also skew results by carefully choosing the people you question. The results are never posted with complete data.

For example

Do you think crime is a problem in our city? Most will answer yes.

Do you think we should pass more gun laws to prevent criminals from obtaining guns? Of course most people not familiar with guns would answer yes. Also the seed of crime has been planted.

Do you think Starbucks should allow guns in their stores? We have both crime and gun control fresh in the mind of the person being questioned. Of course they’re going to say no. They’re not thinking about law abiding people with guns, they’re thinking about criminals with guns.

Penn and Teller illustrated just how gullible people are. Let’s ban dihydrogen monoxide (H20)


Finally an interview with a professional pollster explains how this works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Does anyone really think the poll was fair and unbiased? Doubtful, they began with an anti-gun agenda and crafted the poll to support their agenda.
Justin

Richmond, VA

#11 May 14, 2010
GPM wrote:
Seriously, McDonald's, Burger King and Dunkin Donuts make better coffee for less. If they ban firearms, I will just switch from rarely to never.
I totally don't understand this stilly discussio about people carrying guns at Starbucks.
I've never known Starbucks to have a problem with violent crime; the gangsta bling crowd dosn't hang out there.
Assuming someone did walk into Starbucks carrying a handgun, how would anyone know?
Assuming the barista behind the counter did notice you were packing a handgun; what would they do?
Simply ask you to leave the premisis after handing you your decaff soy capuchino?

GPM

“DILLIGAF?”

Since: Aug 08

San Antonio, TX

#12 May 14, 2010
Justin wrote:
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I totally don't understand this stilly discussio about people carrying guns at Starbucks.
I've never known Starbucks to have a problem with violent crime; the gangsta bling crowd dosn't hang out there.
Assuming someone did walk into Starbucks carrying a handgun, how would anyone know?
Assuming the barista behind the counter did notice you were packing a handgun; what would they do?
Simply ask you to leave the premisis after handing you your decaff soy capuchino?
Justin, all of the macho bluster aside, it is not fear of gangsters in Starbucks that motivates people to carry there.(Although Starbucks have been robbed at gun-point in the past.) it is that they are already wearing their sidearms in full view and in compliance with the law when they go in for a refreshing beverage. Leaving your sidearm in the glovebox is dangerous because a car thief will be armed if he steals your car and it leaves your protection inaccessible in the slim chance it is needed. Then there are those who bike or grab a taxi and are on foot. Where do they hide their sidearm from the bed-wetters?

Justin, this is a matter of freedom more than anything else. One small, but vocal, group wants to "feel" safer by forcing everyone to be less safe. If they could point to one instance where a non-criminal carried a sidearm into a Starbucks and shot someone, they would have at least a tiny bit of credibility. But they can't.

Their true goal, recently stated clearly by their upper management, in a moment of rare candor during a discussion of the Heller case, is not to stop people from exercising their Constitutional rights in certain public areas to keep and BEAR arms but to ultimately ban all firearms. They have been working towards this goal incrementally for decades. Starbucks is just one more step on their ladder to the top.
Justin

Richmond, VA

#13 May 14, 2010
Why not just let law abiding citizens carry their firearms concealed?

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#14 May 14, 2010
Justin wrote:
Why not just let law abiding citizens carry their firearms concealed?
Why not allow them to carry open as well?
Justin

Richmond, VA

#15 May 14, 2010
eternal cynic wrote:
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Why not allow them to carry open as well?
For those not raised in a gun owning fanily, seeing another person wearing a holstered firearm in public makes them nervous, and I can respect that. If you carry under your shirt or in your pocket, then it shouldn't be an issue for anyone.
Jay

Virginia Beach, VA

#16 May 14, 2010
Justin wrote:
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For those not raised in a gun owning fanily, seeing another person wearing a holstered firearm in public makes them nervous, and I can respect that. If you carry under your shirt or in your pocket, then it shouldn't be an issue for anyone.
That is why I never open carry, except at the range or for a few min. inside my home.
Jay

Portsmouth, VA

#17 May 14, 2010
Not only does open carry raise a lot of attention, it also opens one up to some harrassment by the cops. Although I respect and support open-carry anywhere as a personal right, I feel it is not a tactically sound idea. You end up being an attractive target for the perp.
Jay

Portsmouth, VA

#18 May 14, 2010
Justin wrote:
Why not just let law abiding citizens carry their firearms concealed?
I carry mine concealed with a permit. What they don't know won't hurt them. Out of sight, out of mind. And it's no one else's business.
Jay

Moyock, NC

#19 May 14, 2010
Another thing. Even if you have the right to open carry, the small business owner still has the right or decision to kick you out or refuse service. I stil think concealed carry is best to use w/ little or no problems of any kind.

GPM

“DILLIGAF?”

Since: Aug 08

San Antonio, TX

#20 May 14, 2010
Justin wrote:
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For those not raised in a gun owning fanily, seeing another person wearing a holstered firearm in public makes them nervous, and I can respect that. If you carry under your shirt or in your pocket, then it shouldn't be an issue for anyone.
So, to make people "FEEL" safe, we should hide our firearms where they can not be seen? Then we'll hear "How can we feel safe knowing that anyone might have a gun hidden under their shirt or jacket?" It is all just incrementalism at work as the anti-freedom crowd nibbles away at all of our freedoms, one nibble at a time. They are nibbling away at the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments. The 9th and 10th have been dead since the War of Northern Aggression put the federal bootheel on the states' necks. Soon, we will be just like China.

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