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Oil industry reaps subsidies as it fights cleanup tax

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When the Deepwater Horizon drilling platform set off the worst oil spill in American history, it was flying the flag of the Marshall Islands.

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“Say What?”

Since: Mar 08

Somewhere

#68 Jul 5, 2010
Daniel Bliss wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not sure what you mean by this statement. Could you restate it? I'll need to know, if it's my point. My point, as I want it to be, is that ethanol is no pie in the sky, and that we must develop more and better energy alternatives, leaving nothing out. That includes wind, geothermal, biowaste, nuclear, coal, algae-derived oil, solar, and yes, better oil extraction methods (at least until better things can be developed). Even fusion needs to be researched. Ethanol, as it stands today, is a chimera.
I agree that we need to be looking at other sources for energy. However, what I was pointing out is that there are other plant sources out there which make more sense for ethanol than corn. Without looking them all up again, I can mention switch grass and sugar beets as examples where they are investigating.
As for drilling for oil, how about opening up areas such as ANWR where drilling has been prohibited.
An alternative to ethanol could be hydrogen. Build a station to manufacture it's own hydrogen from city water and you even remove the pipelines and trucks required by oil.

Now, why do you insist on insulting TEA Party members who want nothing more than our country to be safe? They believe the government spending will bring this country down to its knees when the debt gets high enough. They don't want the government to be spending money to be paid back by their grandchildren and great grandchildren. How is that something which requires an insult to describe them? Although the TEA Party is relatively new, the sentiment has been a long time coming. Even decades ago, I remember discussions about what our government was spending. It just took Bush's spending and then Obama's putting it on steroids to get them to publicly demonstrate.

“Say What?”

Since: Mar 08

Somewhere

#70 Jul 5, 2010
Big G wrote:
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I think he insults because he thinks it helps him justify his position, he thinks it demeans the insulted into reconsider his/her position, and that it beats coming up with a more clever but subdued response. Evidently, an insult makes him feel better while giving him a pass on his own position that he purportedly researched. Such are trolls.
Then we are in agreement.
BTW, if you're from Baldwin as noted on your icon, it's been some time but I've liked what I saw as I passed through there.
zzzzz

Saint Paul, MN

#71 Jul 5, 2010
Amusing wrote:
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You are full of BS...total BS. Solar, wind, nuclear...is that enough alternatives for you?
I haven't seen an affordable car that runs solely on any of the things you listed.

“Say What?”

Since: Mar 08

Somewhere

#72 Jul 5, 2010
Amusing wrote:
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You are full of BS...total BS. Solar, wind, nuclear...is that enough alternatives for you?
What do those 3 sources you listed have in common? NIMBY.
Where would you find enough land to put solar panels and windmills which would meet the requirements of the people, EPA, and all the other federal government regulating agencies? Not to mention all the tree hugger groups who would oppose any building when it invades the territory of a "snail darter" for example.
What would you use to store this energy when the sun is behind clouds or our part of earth is facing away from the sun or the wind stops blowing? You see. Just saying solar, wind and nuclear just doesn't cut it. You have to consider all the problems which come with them. I read an article some time back about windmills in the local electrical cooperative monthly newsletter where it was noted that it takes several decades for a windmill to generate enough electricity to pay for itself. Is that why Obama said under his policies that electricity prices would necessarily skyrocket? Nah, I think he was talking about CAP and TAX.

“Say What?”

Since: Mar 08

Somewhere

#73 Jul 5, 2010
Worker Bee wrote:
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No. We understand their positions quite well. We insult them after we understand them.
Then you have a long way to go toward understanding.
Possum Souffle

Deer Park, TX

#74 Jul 5, 2010
dum dums wrote:
isn't it too bad that this country is so against capitalism that it continues to force companies out of this country by taxing the h*ll out of them. just look at all the goods we buy and use everyday, how can so many items be cheaper to make and ship half way around the world then to make right here. it is sad really what this country has become.
You are so correct dum dums. One thing that I could never understand about liberal thinking when it comes to taxing business, particularly big business, is the the fact that liberals do not seem to grasp the concept that businesses do not pay taxes. People pay taxes. Any governmental attempt to punish or extort (tax) from a business results in the patrons or employees of that business paying more or reaping less from that company. The corporation itself never pays the tax. I guess from the government's perspective it doesn't matter who's paying it. But, if you're the guy scraping by on $28,000 a year, it matters.

“Say What?”

Since: Mar 08

Somewhere

#75 Jul 5, 2010
Possum Souffle wrote:
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You are so correct dum dums. One thing that I could never understand about liberal thinking when it comes to taxing business, particularly big business, is the the fact that liberals do not seem to grasp the concept that businesses do not pay taxes. People pay taxes. Any governmental attempt to punish or extort (tax) from a business results in the patrons or employees of that business paying more or reaping less from that company. The corporation itself never pays the tax. I guess from the government's perspective it doesn't matter who's paying it. But, if you're the guy scraping by on $28,000 a year, it matters.
I believe they are now thinking of a VAT tax which would hide even more the taxes being paid by the public.
Daniel Bliss

United States

#76 Jul 5, 2010
clown hour wrote:
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Oil is the cheapest source of universal fuel known to man.
A govt mandated alternative(s) would result in an economic revolution that would render the the U.S. society less convenience.
It would not go over well.
Sunlight is the universal fuel. And I didn't say the alternatives had to be mandated by the government, although research into better alternatives will need assistance, like it or not.
kevin swede prairie

Brainerd, MN

#77 Jul 5, 2010
zzzzz wrote:
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I haven't seen an affordable car that runs solely on any of the things you listed.
I have driven a car that runs totally on ethanol. Drove during the night so oil companies couldnt find me. They hate ethanol its cheap renewable and the food value is left after the ethanol is taken out corn is cheap always is plus its made in the USA. All the myths about ethanol are started by oil companies. Latest government studies show you get 2.3 gallons ethanol for every gallon it takes to produce the corn and make the ethanol plus the feed value is left.
Daniel Bliss

United States

#78 Jul 5, 2010
kevin swede prairie wrote:
<quoted text>the food value is left after the ethanol is taken out corn is cheap
Where do people get the idea that there's any real food value left after ethanol is taken out of corn? First, there is no ethanol in corn. The starch, which is the primary food value in corn, is converted via enzymatic action, into ethanol. And if all the corn in the U.S. is converted into ethanol, it wouldn't be enough to fuel the cars. That is a fact. And there'd still be fat cats in the oil boardrooms rolling in cash from the oil still being pumped for refineries.
Doctor Truth

Pleasanton, CA

#79 Jul 5, 2010
This tragedy was caused by the EPA.

Why were they drilling in water so deep? It makes gas more expensive and it's dangerous and clearly it's bad for the environment.

If they would have been allowed to drill on land or shallow water, the leak would have been plugged months ago.
Big G

Hudson, WI

#80 Jul 6, 2010
zzzzz wrote:
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I haven't seen an affordable car that runs solely on any of the things you listed.
I'd love to see a nuclear powered car. Fender benders would take on a new significance.
Big G

Hudson, WI

#81 Jul 6, 2010
kevin swede prairie wrote:
<quoted text>I have driven a car that runs totally on ethanol. Drove during the night so oil companies couldnt find me. They hate ethanol its cheap renewable and the food value is left after the ethanol is taken out corn is cheap always is plus its made in the USA. All the myths about ethanol are started by oil companies. Latest government studies show you get 2.3 gallons ethanol for every gallon it takes to produce the corn and make the ethanol plus the feed value is left.
Ooh! Did the oil company police find you yet? Don't worry, we won't tell anyone.
Big G

Hudson, WI

#82 Jul 6, 2010
Daniel Bliss wrote:
<quoted text>Where do people get the idea that there's any real food value left after ethanol is taken out of corn? First, there is no ethanol in corn. The starch, which is the primary food value in corn, is converted via enzymatic action, into ethanol. And if all the corn in the U.S. is converted into ethanol, it wouldn't be enough to fuel the cars. That is a fact. And there'd still be fat cats in the oil boardrooms rolling in cash from the oil still being pumped for refineries.
You are correct. Looks like pappy's still out back could make some mighty powerful corn squeezins, if you know what I mean.

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