Newtown gunman kills 20 children in e...

Newtown gunman kills 20 children in elementary school shooting

There are 17 comments on the The Guardian story from Dec 14, 2012, titled Newtown gunman kills 20 children in elementary school shooting. In it, The Guardian reports that:

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“Proud To Be An American”

Since: Apr 07

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#1 Dec 14, 2012
It's the same old worn out routine, some disgruntled nitwit full of democrap goes bananas and before the corpses are cold the media's sleazy gun control slugs pop up like Tulips in springtime...what filth.
Ninthman

“Obama Shames the USA”

Since: Apr 09

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#2 Dec 14, 2012
I think this is an overwhelming good case for Home Schooling.
OUR EVIL GOVERMENT

Louisburg, NC

#3 Dec 14, 2012
This shooting is yet another tragic example of the failed, grotesque insistence on helpless victim zones where any crazed gunman can be assured of a large number of disarmed, undefended, helpless victims, all crammed into one place, where he can kill many children before an armed defender arrives from elsewhere. It is disturbing and sick that the federal government so hates the right of the American people to bear arms, and so hates their natural right to self defense, that the government insists on making them helpless, disarmed victims for anyone who cares to kill them. And in this case, all of the teachers and staff were willfully disarmed by the Federal Government, by force of law and threat of prison, to ensure that they would be disarmed and incapable of saving the lives of the children entrusted to their care.

That makes the Federal Government complicit in the deaths of these children, and in fact an accessory to their mass murder, by forcibly disarming (with the very real threat of prison) all the teachers, all the staff, and any parent who may have been on school property. That stupid law guaranteed the shooters would meet no immediate armed resistance, which is exactly what is needed to stop such an attack.

In such a shooting (as in every criminal attack), seconds count, and the people best positioned to stop the attack are the people on the scene – the intended victims and/or their care-takers. In this case, that would mean the teachers and staff of the school who were responsible for the well-being of those children, and also the parents, who should have the ability to save the lives of their own children as they take them to and from school.

The police cannot, and do not arrive in time to stop such shooters from killing large numbers of people. They are a slow reactive force compared to an armed citizen on the scene. This should be common sense, as it is obvious that in the immediacy of a criminal attack, it is the intended victims (or their immediate care-takers) who are there, in position to put a stop to the attack, if they are capable. And being capable means being armed, trained, willing, and able to use deadly force, right then, right there. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/12/14/the-fe...

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#4 Dec 14, 2012
JohnInLa wrote:
It's the same old worn out routine, some disgruntled nitwit full of democrap goes bananas and before the corpses are cold the media's sleazy gun control slugs pop up like Tulips in springtime...what filth.
....just like divas in a sad opera those who shed their tears for the NRA are in high dungeon
Ex-GOPCon

San Jose, CA

#5 Dec 14, 2012
Like I said before...we need to expand our terrorist profiling beyond just middle eastern muslims.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#6 Dec 14, 2012
OUR EVIL GOVERMENT wrote:
This shooting is yet another tragic example of the failed, grotesque insistence on helpless victim zones where any crazed gunman can be assured of a large number of disarmed, undefended, helpless victims, all crammed into one place, where he can kill many children before an armed defender arrives from elsewhere. It is disturbing and sick that the federal government so hates the right of the American people to bear arms, and so hates their natural right to self defense, that the government insists on making them helpless, disarmed victims for anyone who cares to kill them. And in this case, all of the teachers and staff were willfully disarmed by the Federal Government, by force of law and threat of prison, to ensure that they would be disarmed and incapable of saving the lives of the children entrusted to their care.
That makes the Federal Government complicit in the deaths of these children, and in fact an accessory to their mass murder, by forcibly disarming (with the very real threat of prison) all the teachers, all the staff, and any parent who may have been on school property. That stupid law guaranteed the shooters would meet no immediate armed resistance, which is exactly what is needed to stop such an attack.
In such a shooting (as in every criminal attack), seconds count, and the people best positioned to stop the attack are the people on the scene – the intended victims and/or their care-takers. In this case, that would mean the teachers and staff of the school who were responsible for the well-being of those children, and also the parents, who should have the ability to save the lives of their own children as they take them to and from school.
The police cannot, and do not arrive in time to stop such shooters from killing large numbers of people. They are a slow reactive force compared to an armed citizen on the scene. This should be common sense, as it is obvious that in the immediacy of a criminal attack, it is the intended victims (or their immediate care-takers) who are there, in position to put a stop to the attack, if they are capable. And being capable means being armed, trained, willing, and able to use deadly force, right then, right there. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/12/14/the-fe...
Yet NO ONE stopped the shooting rampage in gun-loving Arizona that resulted in the grave injury of Congresswoman Giffords and many others, children, adults, Democrats and Republicans.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#7 Dec 14, 2012
Yet NO ONE stopped the shooting rampage in gun-loving Arizona that resulted in the grave injury of Congresswoman Giffords and the murder of many others, children, adults, Democrats and Republicans.

The idea that so many by-standers probably had guns was NO DETERRENT or HELP AT ALL.
OUR EVIL GOVERMENT

Louisburg, NC

#8 Dec 15, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
Yet NO ONE stopped the shooting rampage in gun-loving Arizona that resulted in the grave injury of Congresswoman Giffords and the murder of many others, children, adults, Democrats and Republicans.
The idea that so many by-standers probably had guns was NO DETERRENT or HELP AT ALL.
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE,NOT GUNS,NOT "Suicide bombers (BUT PEOPLE)(GET IT!!!!)

Since: Dec 12

San Diego, CA

#12 Dec 15, 2012
Has nothing to do with guns. It's the sick and twisted individuals who are given free and open opportunities to kill unarmed people. Gun laws affect law abiding people -not psychos and criminals.
Cat74

United States

#13 Dec 15, 2012
The rally, and the theatre were "gun free" areas, thanks to the liberal local politicians. We don't need gun free areas. If one teacher had been armed Friday we would not have lost 20 children.
yup

United States

#15 Dec 15, 2012
Cat74 wrote:
The rally, and the theatre were "gun free" areas, thanks to the liberal local politicians. We don't need gun free areas. If one teacher had been armed Friday we would not have lost 20 children.
That’s an odd statement. These one day spree mass killings have been going on in this country for decades - while gun laws over the same time have allowed practically ANYBODY - kids - grandmas – invalids – ANYBODY to carry – and not one of these killers has ever been stopped by any citizen vigilante. Not one.
Cat74

United States

#17 Dec 15, 2012
You cannot take a gun into a gun free area. You could carry in other parts of the states, but gun free areas are marked, and guns are not allowed. It is usually determined by local politicians.
yup

United States

#18 Dec 15, 2012
Cat74 wrote:
You cannot take a gun into a gun free area. You could carry in other parts of the states, but gun free areas are marked, and guns are not allowed. It is usually determined by local politicians.
Sure thing – because people who love to carry will just leave their guns in their car or truck out of respect for local laws.

I don’t care if the gun owners are what you call good guys or bad guys – they won’t respect any local laws as long as we have 300 million guns on the streets.
Cat74

United States

#19 Dec 15, 2012
A gun owner might keep their guns locked up, defying the local law, but I don't see them carrying it into a gun free area. Most gun owners are law abiding.
TR Jones

Torrington, CT

#21 Dec 16, 2012
It's our culture and also that we don't distinguish between having a rifle and having a semi-automatic weapon. One is justifiable for hunting; the other for only hunting humans.

Our culture of killing

Of all the questions we ask every day as journalists, the most difficult one has to be “why?”

Why in the world would a man armed for combat walk into an elementary-school classroom & open fire on a bunch of helpless little boys & girls?

Here are some of the answers:

1. There is still pure evil in the world.
It’s easy to talk about a suspect’s sanity & call him deranged. Surely no sane man can stroll into a place where children learn & play & treat it like the front lines of a brutal ground war.

But we cannot discount the fact that evil lurks in every corner of our world & that there are people whose sole goal in life is to take away our joy.

These children who were massacred Friday in Newtown, Conn., were our joy. This evil man stole that from us.

2. There are way too many guns in this country & way too many people with them.

There are some who say that now is not the time to talk about gun control. Parents are grieving. Brothers & sisters are trying to piece it all together. Cops are still investigating.

They are right. Now is not the time to talk about gun control. Now is the time to do something about it.

& while we’re on the subject of “why,” maybe somebody can explain how come gun ownership is at a 20-year high, with $4 billion in commercial gun & ammunition sales.

“With all the carnage from gun violence in our country, it’s still almost impossible to believe that a mass shooting in a kindergarten class could happen,” Mayor Bloomberg said in a statement.“It has come to that. Not even kindergarteners learning their ABCs are safe.”

Bloomberg, a leading voice on gun control, rightly urged Congress & the White House to get serious about the issue so we can stop watching press conferences about senseless shooting sprees.

President Obama, meanwhile, a father with two daughters of his own, tearfully called for “meaningful action” to address what is one of the most easily solvable problems in the nation.

Sure, lowlifes bent on murder & destruction will still find ways to kill.

But why should we continue to make it easy for them with unfettered access to cruel SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPONS THAT CAN FIRE 30 ROUNDS in the time it takes to turn the page in a Dr. Seuss book?

3. We’ve glorified violence to the point that we’ve become numb to it.

If you’re standing on line today to buy “Call of Duty” or tickets to see James Bond in “Skyfall,” or any other entertainment that endorses a License to Kill, you just don’t get it.

While most of us can separate fact from fiction, the sad truth is that there are some who can’t. For them, a kill is something that leads to bonus points on a video game.

The tap of a button, the flip of a joystick, & you can mow down as many old ladies as you want in a video game car chase. There are no consequences.

In fact, you get extra lives.

From “Black Ops” to “CSI” to “Bourne,” our entertainment is death. The special effects have gotten so good that Hollywood can show us global armageddon — all for laughs. Should it be any surprise that some people who witness it, or even play the killers, can become DESENSITIZED to real death?

We know the why. The why is that we have a culture of murder in this country, one fFED BY BLOODY ENTERTAINMENT & unlimited access to guns. The why is the evil people we may not be able to change, but we can certainly do a better job of stopping.

Why is an excuse, a way to pretend there are no answers.

The answer is we need fewer of both real guns & virtual ones. HOLLYWOOD NEEDS TO STOP BLAMING JUST THE NRA AND PLEDGE CHANGE THEMSELVES. & the NRA needs to stop pretending that guns don’t kill people.

Only then will we stop having to ask “why.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolu...
Cat74

United States

#22 Dec 16, 2012
If one person, teacher, Principal, Janitor had been armed the Children, most anyway, would be alive today. The shooter would still be dead, but we offered no protection for the children. That is just wrong. You will never keep people like Lanza from a gun, but we could have protected the chidren against him the second he entered the school. We failed the children.
christian peper

United States

#24 Jan 8, 2013
I have seen the level of evil grow very high. The number of evil people is a huge percentage of the population. Most Americans are evil to the core and worthy of death so is it really a tragedy that these children died? They would just grow up to be mean evil adults so why cry over their dead bodies?
Instead of morning for the children that would just grow up to be nasty adults (abusive cops, murdering troops, prison guards, corporate bullies, etc..) thank God that he took them and took them out of this vile sick world.

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