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NATO underplayed civilian deaths in Libya: HRW

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Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#22 May 18, 2012
Carlos wrote:
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Reuters?!!!!!!!! xDDDDDDDDDDD, so you believe in western free press... you are really pathetic. Reuters is nothing but a lampoon, a pasquinade, a pamphlet to deceive the ignorant masses.
You're being pathetic, dude. It doesn't matter which news agency is reporting and if you believe them or not, it's still only about civilian deaths caused by NATO bombing.

Read first and then comment on it. Is that so hard to do?

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#23 May 18, 2012
Chris wrote:
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We do not see any Libyans commenting here, period. Observer claims to be the Libyan, and admits to be the Rebel, which means a member of one side in the conflict.
How can anyone follow you when, like in these two sentences, you contradict yourself within your own comments?
Therefore he does not represent an average Libyan.
And who in your mind would represent an average Libyan then? Saif maybe? Or Sanussi? Maybe Huda the butcher of Benghazi? Moussa Ibrahim, Aisha Gaddhafi? Or maybe just anyone, anywhere, what do you care, the main thing he or she agrees with you for a change?
As for you, are you a Libyan? You claim to be an English living in Germany.
See! You contradict yourself yet again. What’s it like living in absolute mental confusion?
Yet you present pro-Rebel pro-NATO side of the Libyan story, playing the authority and the expertise on Libya. One wonders where your legitimacy for this role comes from.
One wonders about you, a person not particularly far travelled and living on the other side of the world, where your legitimacy comes from to put into doubt what a Libyan national living directly within his own country tells us. And it’s not as if Observer is the only Libyan to have commented on this forum. Many others from within Libya have on and off done the same, their comments all congruent with what Observer has reported. Are all these not average Libyans?

Has the thought never struck you once, not even for a second, that these people just might be telling you the truth?

As for my legitimacy, I have direct contact with two Libyan families that I got to know while travelling the country two years ago, one living in Tripoli and the other hailing from Sirte. I can assure you, neither of them, both with academic backgrounds, are sorry to see Gaddhafi and his ilk gone. These are the people who’s side I present not NATO’s.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#24 May 18, 2012
Chris wrote:
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We do not see any Libyans commenting here, period. Observer claims to be the Libyan, and admits to be the Rebel, which means a member of one side in the conflict. Therefore he does not represent an average Libyan. As for you, are you a Libyan? You claim to be an English living in Germany. Yet you present pro-Rebel pro-NATO side of the Libyan story, playing the authority and the expertise on Libya. One wonders where your legitimacy for this role comes from.
Here, just come in, a comment by an "average" Libyan:
Nura wrote:
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"I lived in Libya throughout the war. Gaddafi was an evil, lying dictator who only looked out for his interests. Did you think he had friends? They were only serving his interests and he theirs. He did so much wrong during the years he was in power, you should despise him like I do. Even if you forget the past, when he started dividing the people and telling them to kill each other, that should have opened your eyes. If not, you are too stupid to read, write or say anything. Don't get involved in something you know nothing about...sitting in Michigan! Ha If you were here during the war, you would have heard the people whistling for NATO planes to strike. We knew they were trying to take out the gross weapons he had prepared to kill his own people.

I, along with the majority of Libyans, thank Allah for the the support we got.
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/libya/TO9TVN...
Avenger

Waterloo, Canada

#25 May 18, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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How can anyone follow you when, like in these two sentences, you contradict yourself within your own comments?
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And who in your mind would represent an average Libyan then? Saif maybe? Or Sanussi? Maybe Huda the butcher of Benghazi? Moussa Ibrahim, Aisha Gaddhafi? Or maybe just anyone, anywhere, what do you care, the main thing he or she agrees with you for a change?
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See! You contradict yourself yet again. What’s it like living in absolute mental confusion?
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One wonders about you, a person not particularly far travelled and living on the other side of the world, where your legitimacy comes from to put into doubt what a Libyan national living directly within his own country tells us. And it’s not as if Observer is the only Libyan to have commented on this forum. Many others from within Libya have on and off done the same, their comments all congruent with what Observer has reported. Are all these not average Libyans?
Has the thought never struck you once, not even for a second, that these people just might be telling you the truth?
As for my legitimacy, I have direct contact with two Libyan families that I got to know while travelling the country two years ago, one living in Tripoli and the other hailing from Sirte. I can assure you, neither of them, both with academic backgrounds, are sorry to see Gaddhafi and his ilk gone. These are the people who’s side I present not NATO’s.
Your making far too much sense for whiny Chrisy.
Apparently according him we even lucked out getting the troll imagine that. lol
George

Red Deer, Canada

#26 May 18, 2012
Chris wrote:
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We do not see any Libyans commenting here, period. Observer claims to be the Libyan, and admits to be the Rebel, which means a member of one side in the conflict. Therefore he does not represent an average Libyan. As for you, are you a Libyan? You claim to be an English living in Germany. Yet you present pro-Rebel pro-NATO side of the Libyan story, playing the authority and the expertise on Libya. One wonders where your legitimacy for this role comes from.
Just to bring you up to speed on the Libyan conflict, Ghadaffi lost and is dead, therefore there is only one side left and the loosing side is merging with the "Rebels" side of the war. Anyone representing Ghadaffi or his loyalists is just suffering from denial.

What is wrong with being from England and living in Germany, good people fit in no matter where they live because they do not try to change the country they moved to, hey you should try it.
Da Truth

Fort Worth, TX

#27 May 18, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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No such thing as what…?
Collateral damage: In war incidental destruction of civilian property and non-combatant casualties during the attack of an intended target.
And anyway, what’s it to you? Are you a Libyan? Do you live there? Have you lost any relatives there in a NATO attack? Have you the foggiest at all of what you’re going on about?
Because, dude, I don’t see any Libyans complaining. Only f…ing whiny bigoted foreign losers trying to make their failed little lives look not quite so bad by making an issue out of something that is none of their business.
Better you rather look out that you don’t get lung cancer from all those car fumes you keep inhaling every time you drive to work, or maybe get mugged while on the town because the state has cut back too much on policing.
you a$%wipe Libya is my home as a child when me and my family was lost after the civil war my father was able to get employment using his old contacts when he trained with IN THE Libyan Air Force AND SEND US TO US HE REMAINED THERE TILL 2001 A DECADE U BUM...so everything that happens in Libya effects me
AND THE HELL WITH YOUR COLLATERAL DAMAGE EXPLANATION....WOMEN, MEN AND CHILDREN DON'T NEED TO DIE AT ANY COST...U IDIOT

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#28 May 19, 2012
Da Truth wrote:
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you a$%wipe Libya is my home as a child when me and my family was lost after the civil war my father was able to get employment using his old contacts when he trained with IN THE Libyan Air Force AND SEND US TO US HE REMAINED THERE TILL 2001 A DECADE U BUM...so everything that happens in Libya effects me
AND THE HELL WITH YOUR COLLATERAL DAMAGE EXPLANATION....WOMEN, MEN AND CHILDREN DON'T NEED TO DIE AT ANY COST...U IDIOT
You're a lair, Mr. Da Crap! In fact most of your posts are just lies. You're clumsy attempt to influence threads by sneakily posting under two different names to the point of actually answering your own comments is proof of that. Lol!

And I don't believe for one second that you and your father are Somali immigrants. I don't believe that you were ever even in Africa never mind in Libya. Lol!

You're just a two bit, undereducated, ignorant wannabe. A whiny little intellectually underdeveloped loser with no perspective in life, too lazy to move your ass to do anything about it and like to blame others for your pathetic existence. Lol!

I usually advise people like you to go and get a life but a guess in your case that would be just too intellectually challenging so just forget it. Lol!
George

Red Deer, Canada

#29 May 19, 2012
Carlos wrote:
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Reuters?!!!!!!!! xDDDDDDDDDDD, so you believe in western free press... you are really pathetic. Reuters is nothing but a lampoon, a pasquinade, a pamphlet to deceive the ignorant masses.
What is this DDDDDDDDDDDDDD about?

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