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NATO underplayed civilian deaths in Libya: HRW

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zendra

Croatia

#1 May 15, 2012
lies lies al they know is to lie so i piss on hrw and un and all that scum!!! Only in Zliten nato killed 85 civilians just in Zliten and where are other civilian victims from all other towns that were bombed to submission? They killed themselves maybe? Muammar Gaddafi world biggest hero who fought against almost whole world !!!!! Allah Muammar Libya o bess !!!!

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#2 May 15, 2012
zendra wrote:
lies lies al they know is to lie so i piss on hrw and un and all that scum!!! Only in Zliten nato killed 85 civilians just in Zliten and where are other civilian victims from all other towns that were bombed to submission? They killed themselves maybe? Muammar Gaddafi world biggest hero who fought against almost whole world !!!!! Allah Muammar Libya o bess !!!!
Did you even read the Reuters news report? If you did you'd know that only 72 civilians in the whole of Libya were killed by NATO'S bombing campaign. How many innocent civilians did Gaddhafi's troops torture, abuse and murder in the same time?
zendra

Zagreb, Croatia

#3 May 15, 2012
Neither do kids believe in anything they hear anymore so why would anyone believe what reuters and all other propaganda media has to say ? Why do you belive them who are they to be trusted and other dont? Only in Zliten nato killed 85 civilians not whole Libya just Zliten and where are Tripoli, Sirte , Bani Walid , Sabba and all other who where bombed with no targets just to bomb? But what am i telling someone who saw Libya on jazera reports and here talks like it was general on first line with nickname ditodog, marvelous hahahaha!!!! Allah Muammar Libya Great Jamahirya !!!!!!
Da Truth

Fort Worth, TX

#4 May 15, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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Did you even read the Reuters news report? If you did you'd know that only 72 civilians in the whole of Libya were killed by NATO'S bombing campaign. How many innocent civilians did Gaddhafi's troops torture, abuse and murder in the same time?
dude you forfeit your rights as a civilian when you pick up arms....and BTW rebels also killed 1000s of civilians
George

Red Deer, Canada

#5 May 15, 2012
zendra wrote:
lies lies al they know is to lie so i piss on hrw and un and all that scum!!! Only in Zliten nato killed 85 civilians just in Zliten and where are other civilian victims from all other towns that were bombed to submission? They killed themselves maybe? Muammar Gaddafi world biggest hero who fought against almost whole world !!!!! Allah Muammar Libya o bess !!!!
Read it again dumb dumb.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#6 May 15, 2012
Da Truth wrote:
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dude you forfeit your rights as a civilian when you pick up arms....and BTW rebels also killed 1000s of civilians
The report is about collateral deaths from NATO bombing and not about whom and how many died at the hands of the rebels.
watching

Norfolk, VA

#7 May 15, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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Did you even read the Reuters news report? If you did you'd know that only 72 civilians in the whole of Libya were killed by NATO'S bombing campaign. How many innocent civilians did Gaddhafi's troops torture, abuse and murder in the same time?
Actually, that's only for the cases that they investigated. I'm sure HRW didn't take the time to investigate the target of all of the thousands of strike sorties. This is a small count of a few of the more publicized attacks.

There are undoubtedly more civilian casualties than that, especially if you include the far-larger number of civilians who faced reprisals as the rebels seized territory. Many hundreds of Gaddafi supporters were found in a mass grave in Sirte, as reported by many news agencies.

But regardless. War is war. The Libyan one was just a more artificial one than most.
Panafrican

Detroit, MI

#8 May 15, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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The report is about collateral deaths from NATO bombing and not about whom and how many died at the hands of the rebels.
Ditto something is a devil advocate, no doubt!

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#9 May 16, 2012
watching wrote:
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Actually, that's only for the cases that they investigated. I'm sure HRW didn't take the time to investigate the target of all of the thousands of strike sorties. This is a small count of a few of the more publicized attacks.
The report doesn’t say anything about this number being absolute but it does say that it's the result of the most extensive investigation to date. I'd suppose that there are a few more casualties still to be counted, but let’s be honest, apart from some big surprise hiding in the shadows, nobody expects many more to come to light.

The civilian collateral from indiscriminate shelling of residential areas and civilian urban districts by Gaddahfi’s forces in the first half of the conflict will certainly by far overshadow any NATO collateral.
There are undoubtedly more civilian casualties than that, especially if you include the far-larger number of civilians who faced reprisals as the rebels seized territory. Many hundreds of Gaddafi supporters were found in a mass grave in Sirte, as reported by many news agencies.
But regardless. War is war. The Libyan one was just a more artificial one than most.
The report only deals with NATO collateral. Atrocities committed by rebel forces is a different matter. I can imagine that many innocent civilians especially in Sirte fell victim to indiscriminate rebel retribution during the fighting. This was not a well disciplined army but a bunch of individuals everyone of them with their own agenda.

Most will have been genuine freedom fighters only interested in toppling the regime in favour of a freer and better Libyan governance. Others will have been in it for material gain and others still just out for revenge on the population of a town that had enjoyed the massive privileges of Gaddhafi’s hated regime. This is no surprise really, violent uprisings usually do target the privileged establishment.
Carlos

Belford Roxo, Brazil

#10 May 16, 2012
There is no surprise!!!! NATO kills civilians around the world every week... E

Europeans live in endemic war since early Middle Age - arrive of germanics into Roman Empire. They are worse than huns and mongols. Since XVth they are spreading their wars around the world by imperialist adventures. They become very hypocrites after join Christianism - christians werent suposed to do war, so they always says their war dont kill civilians and are noble intentions motivated xD. Fck, europeans.
Da Truth

Fort Worth, TX

#11 May 16, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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The report is about collateral deaths from NATO bombing and not about whom and how many died at the hands of the rebels.
there is no such thing as collateral damage...you dont say you want to help and free the ppl and kill @ same time...

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#12 May 16, 2012
Carlos wrote:
There is no surprise!!!! NATO kills civilians around the world every week... E
Europeans live in endemic war since early Middle Age - arrive of germanics into Roman Empire. They are worse than huns and mongols. Since XVth they are spreading their wars around the world by imperialist adventures. They become very hypocrites after join Christianism - christians werent suposed to do war, so they always says their war dont kill civilians and are noble intentions motivated xD. Fck, europeans.
Lol! Our pet Brazilian bigot again. The only thing endemic at the moment is the BS you keep spewing on this forum.

For sure Europe has a far longer history of war and strife then South America but only because yours only goes back about 300 years. Ours go back 3 000 years! And still those 300 years of yours are just as full of death and destruction.

And please, post about things you really know about. For instance Christianity has never ever forbade war. It rather preaches peace but has no trouble with telling its followers to bash the enemy hard if it feels it’s necessary.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#14 May 16, 2012
Da Truth wrote:
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there is no such thing as collateral damage...you dont say you want to help and free the ppl and kill @ same time...
No such thing as what…?

Collateral damage: In war incidental destruction of civilian property and non-combatant casualties during the attack of an intended target.

And anyway, what’s it to you? Are you a Libyan? Do you live there? Have you lost any relatives there in a NATO attack? Have you the foggiest at all of what you’re going on about?

Because, dude, I don’t see any Libyans complaining. Only f…ing whiny bigoted foreign losers trying to make their failed little lives look not quite so bad by making an issue out of something that is none of their business.

Better you rather look out that you don’t get lung cancer from all those car fumes you keep inhaling every time you drive to work, or maybe get mugged while on the town because the state has cut back too much on policing.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#15 May 17, 2012
Carlos wrote:
There is no surprise!!!! NATO kills civilians around the world every week... E
Europeans live in endemic war since early Middle Age - arrive of germanics into Roman Empire. They are worse than huns and mongols. Since XVth they are spreading their wars around the world by imperialist adventures. They become very hypocrites after join Christianism - christians werent suposed to do war, so they always says their war dont kill civilians and are noble intentions motivated xD. Fck, europeans.
So now you are back in the stone ages, hmmmmm
George

Red Deer, Canada

#16 May 17, 2012
Da Truth wrote:
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there is no such thing as collateral damage...you dont say you want to help and free the ppl and kill @ same time...
I suppose in your case it would not be called that, just bad aim.
Carlos

Rio De Janeiro, Brazil

#17 May 18, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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Lol! Our pet Brazilian bigot again.
A dog germanic calling me "bigot" and "pet"... You call yourself "dog" and you are germany, I say you are the only "bigot" and "pet" here.
Carlos

Rio De Janeiro, Brazil

#18 May 18, 2012
George wrote:
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I suppose in your case it would not be called that, just bad aim.
Keep denying the obvious: you barbaric germanic do more war than any other people in Human History.
Carlos

Rio De Janeiro, Brazil

#19 May 18, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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Did you even read the Reuters news report? If you did you'd know that only 72 civilians in the whole of Libya were killed by NATO'S bombing campaign. How many innocent civilians did Gaddhafi's troops torture, abuse and murder in the same time?
Reuters?!!!!!!!! xDDDDDDDDDDD, so you believe in western free press... you are really pathetic. Reuters is nothing but a lampoon, a pasquinade, a pamphlet to deceive the ignorant masses.
Chris

Toronto, Canada

#20 May 18, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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Because, dude, I don’t see any Libyans complaining. Only f…ing whiny bigoted foreign losers trying to make their failed little lives look not quite so bad by making an issue out of something that is none of their business.
We do not see any Libyans commenting here, period. Observer claims to be the Libyan, and admits to be the Rebel, which means a member of one side in the conflict. Therefore he does not represent an average Libyan. As for you, are you a Libyan? You claim to be an English living in Germany. Yet you present pro-Rebel pro-NATO side of the Libyan story, playing the authority and the expertise on Libya. One wonders where your legitimacy for this role comes from.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#21 May 18, 2012
Carlos wrote:
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A dog germanic calling me "bigot" and "pet"... You call yourself "dog" and you are germany, I say you are the only "bigot" and "pet" here.
You're definitely the bigot here, dude.

Here a definition from Wikipedia:

“bigot", a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group.

Almost every one of your posts demonstrates exactly that, obstinate and indiscriminate prejudice against whole groups of people in particular Western Europeans and citizens of NATO members.

On top of that you really are the pet here. You sure remind me of my sis’ pet budgerigar. He likes to fluff his feathers up in self-importance to make himself look bigger than he really is.

BTW, I’m not German, not even anywhere near Germanic. Nice people to know though. Hard working, reliable folk, honest and generous.

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