Letters: Mayor says numbers are wrong

Letters: Mayor says numbers are wrong

There are 15 comments on the Monterey County Herald story from Feb 20, 2009, titled Letters: Mayor says numbers are wrong. In it, Monterey County Herald reports that:

Iwould like to correct inaccuracies in a Jan. 31 letter about salaries in the city of Monterey.

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Chualar, CA

#2 Feb 20, 2009
Thomas R. Lukes is misguided. Fred Hoyle promoted the theory that life evolved in space, spreading through the universe via panspermia, and that evolution on earth is driven by a steady influx of viruses arriving via comets. Therefore, even Hoyle accepted that there is evolution, by he disagreed with Darwin (and the overwhelming majority of biologists) about precisely how it occurred. Hoyle's 747 analogy is referred to by statisticians as "Hoyle's Fallacy" and has been excoriated by Ian Musgrave in Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and Probability of Abiogenesis Calculations and by former Professor for the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford, Richard Dawkins, in the books Climbing Mount Improbable and the Blind Watchmaker.

It is clear that Thomas R. Lukes does not understand what the word "theory" means. According to the U.S. National Academy of Sciences:

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not 'guesses' but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than 'just a theory.' It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact."

In other words, when a dropped apple falls to the earth instead of floating office into space, or when the Earth stays in its orbit around the Sun instead of drifting off across the galaxy, these phenomena are explained by gravitational theory. Is gravity just a theory, not a fact?
Donna Johnson

Marina, CA

#3 Feb 20, 2009
I guess anyone can stick their head in the sand and ignore things. The idea that some people still seem to find Darwins theory somehow offensive, or worse yet, they somehow think it is wrong is just astonishing.
forget all the fossil evidence, forget the origin of man as those seem to be the most contentious things.. consider the flu shot you likely get every single year. The technology and science that creates that flu shot, and the same science allows the flu to evolve enough to need a new shot every year.. All that is based upon evolutionary theory. a theory so sound they successfully fight off all sorts of nasty germs every year using this theory.

oh and in case the theory part is throwing you off.. consider Gravity is also a theory.

so take a chill pill.. turn off your TV and let Darwin rest in peace.

San Jose, CA

#4 Feb 20, 2009
The two opposing letters concerning evolution are pretty much standard fare. How fortunate for us that science does not depend on "belief" one way or the other, It just keeps on going, learning how things work and applying that knowledge to (in general) the benefit of human society. Without science the human society and culture as we know it could not exist. Those that decry science should try living without it's gifts for awhile.

Santa Clara, CA

#5 Feb 20, 2009
WOW Thomas your right. You did end the debate. The problem is I bet you do not ever understand what the term scientific theory means. Yes, the debate is over for people like you. So at this point. Please move to the childish table while the rest of us adults speak about and debate the real things in THIS WORLD

Monterey, CA

#6 Feb 21, 2009
Gee Mayor of Monterey so you just dismiss Public Safety Workers, who earn at least twice what those fighting in the war get paid, are somehow not counted as if their wages can't be cut? You need to spend less time on banning styrafoam and more time in cutting salaries. While the previous writer may have been wrong in his stats, in a City where teachers are being laid off by the dozens, the previous untouchable public safety personal have to no longer be held as impervious to cutbacks.

United States

#8 Feb 24, 2009
I evolution were true, why are there still liberals? They're definitely no improvement.

Yorba Linda, CA

#9 Mar 4, 2009
check out julian collingwoods vegan chocolate that is in the restaurants Dinners Ready in Pacific grove ,Miss Trawicks,The Works, and at Artisana Gallery in Pacific Grove,,, He is getting world recognition for his chocolate,, even top stars are ordering it,, and guess what... it is right in your back yard,, pacific grove calif... his email address is [email protected] julian collingwood
frank howard

Los Angeles, CA

#14 Sep 27, 2009
I just purchased "Doubletime " by julian Collingwood and I have lived in Pacific Grove for years.. this book gave me a new outlook on the town and the sites that were mentioned in the book... I loved it and I am going to send a copy to my children... I highly recommend it ... it is a great read and should be a motion picture...
jimmy griffin

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Sep 27, 2009
A friend of mine sent me a copy of Doubletime by julian collingwood and I love occult mystery books as I collect them.. and I must admit this book is up there with the best.. I hope the writer does a sequel to this book as I learned alot about the town of Pacific grove and was really interested in the characters and the plot... I highly recommend this book to everyone.. thanks ..
jim standton

Colton, CA

#16 Nov 14, 2009
julian collingwoods book Doubletime ,, is great ,, it is great as Twilight and really a good read,, I highly recommend it
ken pickering

Colton, CA

#17 Nov 14, 2009
wow .. my friend julian wrote a great book.. I was shocked how interesting it made the town Pacific Grove and all the sites,, it made me want to check out the place... good job julian
arbie k pinkerton

Colton, CA

#18 Nov 14, 2009
I just bought the julian Collingwood book as I love occult mysteries .. this is a killer book and a great story.. I will buy it for my family for christmas.. they will love it ,,,
bill steiner

Colton, CA

#19 Nov 14, 2009
what is this book called doubletime,, hard to follow since I don't live in the place,, not bad not good .. it is ok but I have read better
ernie koenig

Colton, CA

#20 Nov 14, 2009
garbage.. self indulgent book.. author thinks alot of himself,,, can,t follow this piece of trash,, if you don't live in the town ,, it is boring,, a boring town
jamie farr

Colton, CA

#21 Jun 15, 2011
seems that ernie koenig is jealous of Doubletime because his attempt to write a book on Pacific Grove was thrown out as trash,, and now that there is a great book with mysteries to follow ,, he is stuck with a garage full of trash stock that will never sell,,, yeah earnie you blew it ,,,great book Doubletime,,, I highly recommend it

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