Letters: False notions over undocumen...

Letters: False notions over undocumented immigrants

There are 234 comments on the Monterey County Herald story from May 16, 2010, titled Letters: False notions over undocumented immigrants. In it, Monterey County Herald reports that:

The widespread belief that undocumented aliens cost more in government services than they contribute to the economy is undeniably false.

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Phillip

United States

#263 May 22, 2010
The information posted by OvrAndOverAgn came from “jrbooksonline.” I checked them out here: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/
The website proudly displays a portrait of Adolf Hitler and describes itself as:“A White Nationalist Literary Resource.”
The information posted by Kittle comes from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and from vdare.com .
David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, says of CIS:“In our view, the CIS study remains the definitive report on the cost of immigration to the nation.” That should tell us everything we need to know about the “scholarship” coming from CIS.
Vdare.com regularly publishes columns by white nationalists like Jared Taylor and Sam Francis as well as pseudoscientific nonsense “proving” that blacks are less intelligent than whites.
OvrAndOvrAgn and Pat Kittle attempt to substantiate their positions by citing claptrap published by neo-Nazis, Klansmen and other white supremacists. In my view, that renders anything they have to say unworthy of a moment’s consideration. It is naive to believe that one can engage people like this in a rational discussion. One might as well try to teach calculus to a cocker spaniel. I won't be wasting anymore of my time on such an effort. I am sure Kittle will delude himself into believing that I am "bailing out" after he backed me into a corner with his irrefutable logic. I am about as interested in Kittle's beliefs as I am in those of his colleague David Duke.
Ed Lover

United States

#264 May 22, 2010
Good job Phillip. I am always pleased when knowledge triumphs over hate.
Phillip wrote:
The information posted by OvrAndOverAgn came from “jrbooksonline.” I checked them out here: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/
The website proudly displays a portrait of Adolf Hitler and describes itself as:“A White Nationalist Literary Resource.”
The information posted by Kittle comes from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and from vdare.com .
David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, says of CIS:“In our view, the CIS study remains the definitive report on the cost of immigration to the nation.” That should tell us everything we need to know about the “scholarship” coming from CIS.
Vdare.com regularly publishes columns by white nationalists like Jared Taylor and Sam Francis as well as pseudoscientific nonsense “proving” that blacks are less intelligent than whites.
OvrAndOvrAgn and Pat Kittle attempt to substantiate their positions by citing claptrap published by neo-Nazis, Klansmen and other white supremacists. In my view, that renders anything they have to say unworthy of a moment’s consideration. It is naive to believe that one can engage people like this in a rational discussion. One might as well try to teach calculus to a cocker spaniel. I won't be wasting anymore of my time on such an effort. I am sure Kittle will delude himself into believing that I am "bailing out" after he backed me into a corner with his irrefutable logic. I am about as interested in Kittle's beliefs as I am in those of his colleague David Duke.
Pat Kittle

Boulder Creek, CA

#265 May 22, 2010
Phillip wrote:
The information posted by OvrAndOverAgn came from “jrbooksonline.” I checked them out here: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/
The website proudly displays a portrait of Adolf Hitler and describes itself as:“A White Nationalist Literary Resource.”
The information posted by Kittle comes from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and from vdare.com .
David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, says of CIS:“In our view, the CIS study remains the definitive report on the cost of immigration to the nation.” That should tell us everything we need to know about the “scholarship” coming from CIS.
Vdare.com regularly publishes columns by white nationalists like Jared Taylor and Sam Francis as well as pseudoscientific nonsense “proving” that blacks are less intelligent than whites.
OvrAndOvrAgn and Pat Kittle attempt to substantiate their positions by citing claptrap published by neo-Nazis, Klansmen and other white supremacists. In my view, that renders anything they have to say unworthy of a moment’s consideration. It is naive to believe that one can engage people like this in a rational discussion. One might as well try to teach calculus to a cocker spaniel. I won't be wasting anymore of my time on such an effort. I am sure Kittle will delude himself into believing that I am "bailing out" after he backed me into a corner with his irrefutable logic. I am about as interested in Kittle's beliefs as I am in those of his colleague David Duke.
Predictably, when all your previous assertions have been debunked, you play your worn-out Hitler card.

John Tanton has long been slandered by hysterical open-borders advocates like you, who would prefer that no one ever sees what John Tanton actually says: http://www.johntanton.org/

Tanton is an honest and knowledgeable conservationist -- who understands that any species will suffer very unpleasant consequences if it overbreeds, and humans are no exception.

That's ecological reality, and you can't handle it any better than the Pope and his naive followers.
anti-incumbent

Mill Valley, CA

#266 May 22, 2010
WAKE UP PEOPLE. WE WILL NEVER CLOSE THE BORDERS, NEVER STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

AMERICAS #1 EXPORT IS STILL AGRICULTURE, and only the illegals will take those jobs because americans feel that they are too good to be picking fruit and vegtables for money. people think they make minimum wage, but in truth they have a starting pay of 10-12 dollars and hour and thats better pay than alot of labor jobs nowadays, but still, its beneath us to do those jobs. lol.

its called supply and demand. the world demands agriculture, mexico supplies the workers to pick it. unless we plan to stop farming, all you so-called patriots need to figure out a plan to deal with who will do the farming. unless you want our vegatbles to come from a foreign country and pay $10 for a tomato.
cjh

Fullerton, CA

#267 May 22, 2010
We can speculate all we want. The only real way to find out is to see what happens without them for a year or two.
Derek

Los Angeles, CA

#269 May 22, 2010
answer wrote:
Derek is supporting Mexicos President. Get out of this country you traitor. Vote Derek and his treasonous party out of Office. Derek you are not American, why don't you move to Mexico. Like minded people. VOTE OUT THE TREASONOUS DEMORAT PARTY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
You apparently have below standard reading comprehension. I will not explain my previous post as it's plainly written for idiot comprehension. You're obviously just as dumb/ignorant as Rush Windbag and/or the President of Mexico. Therefore it's you who should self deport, that's if you can find a country dumb enough to take you in.

I'm a multi business owner who employs over 150 americans. I also served 4 yrs in the U.S Navy and worked 10 yrs LACSD before going into business for myself.

What have you done for this country, what sacrifices have you made.

Derek

Los Angeles, CA

#270 May 22, 2010
anti-incumbent wrote:
WAKE UP PEOPLE. WE WILL NEVER CLOSE THE BORDERS, NEVER STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
AMERICAS #1 EXPORT IS STILL AGRICULTURE, and only the illegals will take those jobs because americans feel that they are too good to be picking fruit and vegtables for money. people think they make minimum wage, but in truth they have a starting pay of 10-12 dollars and hour and thats better pay than alot of labor jobs nowadays, but still, its beneath us to do those jobs. lol.
its called supply and demand. the world demands agriculture, mexico supplies the workers to pick it. unless we plan to stop farming, all you so-called patriots need to figure out a plan to deal with who will do the farming. unless you want our vegatbles to come from a foreign country and pay $10 for a tomato.
Hey stupid, produce is farmed and sold all over the world. Most of that produce does NOT come from our country.

Worldwide produce is very inexpensive, therefore it's certain to remain that way if we eliminate illegal labor in the U.S.

Illegal Mexican labor is isolated to this country, they in no way shape or form have an impact on the price of produce.

Besides explain to me/us how and why we need 12-20 million illegal alien/peasant farm workers. The truth is 1-2% of all illegals work as farm laborers.
Pat Kittle

Boulder Creek, CA

#271 May 22, 2010
anti-incumbent wrote:
WAKE UP PEOPLE. WE WILL NEVER CLOSE THE BORDERS, NEVER STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
AMERICAS #1 EXPORT IS STILL AGRICULTURE, and only the illegals will take those jobs because americans feel that they are too good to be picking fruit and vegtables for money. people think they make minimum wage, but in truth they have a starting pay of 10-12 dollars and hour and thats better pay than alot of labor jobs nowadays, but still, its beneath us to do those jobs. lol.
its called supply and demand. the world demands agriculture, mexico supplies the workers to pick it. unless we plan to stop farming, all you so-called patriots need to figure out a plan to deal with who will do the farming. unless you want our vegatbles to come from a foreign country and pay $10 for a tomato.
My simple amigo,

Your childish exaggeration ($10 tomatos) is supposed to scare Americans into putting up with the multiplying problems that overbreeding crime-ridden welfare-demanding illegal aliens bring with them.

As Americans begin enforcing our immigration laws, we'll do our own manual labor. Food will cost a little more, but that we'll save FAR MORE more than that by not having to put up with endless millions more needy demanding overbreeding illegal aliens.

VIVA SB-1070!!

VIVA 49 MORE SB-1070's!!
Pat Kittle

Boulder Creek, CA

#272 May 22, 2010
Derek wrote:
<quoted text>
You apparently have below standard reading comprehension. I will not explain my previous post as it's plainly written for idiot comprehension. You're obviously just as dumb/ignorant as Rush Windbag and/or the President of Mexico. Therefore it's you who should self deport, that's if you can find a country dumb enough to take you in.
I'm a multi business owner who employs over 150 americans. I also served 4 yrs in the U.S Navy and worked 10 yrs LACSD before going into business for myself.
What have you done for this country, what sacrifices have you made.
You claim to employ "150 americans" -- are they actually Americans? No illegals??

If so, how do those 150 Americans feel about you demanding open borders?

BTW, what's your last name?

“ Divided We Fall ”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#273 May 22, 2010
anti-incumbent wrote:
WAKE UP PEOPLE. WE WILL NEVER CLOSE THE BORDERS, NEVER STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
AMERICAS #1 EXPORT IS STILL AGRICULTURE, and only the illegals will take those jobs because americans feel that they are too good to be picking fruit and vegtables for money. people think they make minimum wage, but in truth they have a starting pay of 10-12 dollars and hour and thats better pay than alot of labor jobs nowadays, but still, its beneath us to do those jobs. lol.
its called supply and demand. the world demands agriculture, mexico supplies the workers to pick it. unless we plan to stop farming, all you so-called patriots need to figure out a plan to deal with who will do the farming. unless you want our vegatbles to come from a foreign country and pay $10 for a tomato.
We have many work visa programs, that permit immigrants to enter this country legally to work for the farmers. The H-2A work visa does not limit the amount of workers we allow to come here. So it looks like you need to come up with another excuse to support illegal immigration.
Pat Kittle

Boulder Creek, CA

#274 May 22, 2010
Derek wrote:
<quoted text>
You apparently have below standard reading comprehension. I will not explain my previous post as it's plainly written for idiot comprehension. You're obviously just as dumb/ignorant as Rush Windbag and/or the President of Mexico. Therefore it's you who should self deport, that's if you can find a country dumb enough to take you in.
I'm a multi business owner who employs over 150 americans. I also served 4 yrs in the U.S Navy and worked 10 yrs LACSD before going into business for myself.
What have you done for this country, what sacrifices have you made.
Derek,

Disregard my previous comment, which I posted in a hurry.

I try to read the relevant comments in a thread before I comment, but I didn't this time, and I may be misunderstanding you.

Sorry.

“ Divided We Fall ”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#275 May 22, 2010
Phillip wrote:
The information posted by OvrAndOverAgn came from “jrbooksonline.” I checked them out here: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/
The website proudly displays a portrait of Adolf Hitler and describes itself as:“A White Nationalist Literary Resource.”
The information posted by Kittle comes from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and from vdare.com .
David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, says of CIS:“In our view, the CIS study remains the definitive report on the cost of immigration to the nation.” That should tell us everything we need to know about the “scholarship” coming from CIS.
Vdare.com regularly publishes columns by white nationalists like Jared Taylor and Sam Francis as well as pseudoscientific nonsense “proving” that blacks are less intelligent than whites.
OvrAndOvrAgn and Pat Kittle attempt to substantiate their positions by citing claptrap published by neo-Nazis, Klansmen and other white supremacists. In my view, that renders anything they have to say unworthy of a moment’s consideration. It is naive to believe that one can engage people like this in a rational discussion. One might as well try to teach calculus to a cocker spaniel. I won't be wasting anymore of my time on such an effort. I am sure Kittle will delude himself into believing that I am "bailing out" after he backed me into a corner with his irrefutable logic. I am about as interested in Kittle's beliefs as I am in those of his colleague David Duke.
If you compare your link to the link where I got my information from you will see that they do not take you to the same web site.
Also how come you dont try and dispute the information that I posted? Because you cant. It is all true. Morris Dees is a racist scum bag who has gotten filthy rich by lying to good people and you are an idiot for believing him.
Derek

Los Angeles, CA

#276 May 22, 2010
Pat Kittle wrote:
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You claim to employ "150 americans" -- are they actually Americans? No illegals??
If so, how do those 150 Americans feel about you demanding open borders?
BTW, what's your last name?
I would NEVER employ an illegal alien, nor would I employ anyone who does'nt fluent english.

As for my last name, that would be none of your business.
Derek

Los Angeles, CA

#277 May 22, 2010
Pat Kittle wrote:
<quoted text>
Derek,
Disregard my previous comment, which I posted in a hurry.
I try to read the relevant comments in a thread before I comment, but I didn't this time, and I may be misunderstanding you.
Sorry.
No prob, that happens

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