Public gets a say in Highway 68 retail center project

There are 20 comments on the Jun 6, 2010, Monterey County Herald story titled Public gets a say in Highway 68 retail center project. In it, Monterey County Herald reports that:

A controversial shopping center proposed for an 11-acre site at Corral De Tierra Road and Monterey-Salinas Highway is getting the public vetting its developers have long sought.

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bill

Pacific Grove, CA

#1 Jun 6, 2010
NO WAY! It is a horrible drive the last 4 years or so, driving down 68! I guess greed and profit always ignores reality. The area is already a horrendous fatality of the "boom" of greed.

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#2 Jun 6, 2010
bill wrote:
NO WAY! It is a horrible drive the last 4 years or so, driving down 68! I guess greed and profit always ignores reality. The area is already a horrendous fatality of the "boom" of greed.
I'm not sure what you mean by the "area is already a horrendous fatality of the "boom" of greed." But it seems to me the traffic congestion is caused by people who work in and around Monterey but live in and around Salinas. I'm assuming that's an affordability issue. I don't understand how the proposed shopping center could add to the traffic congestion.
Pohada

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Jun 6, 2010
sunnycali wrote:
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I'm not sure what you mean by the "area is already a horrendous fatality of the "boom" of greed." But it seems to me the traffic congestion is caused by people who work in and around Monterey but live in and around Salinas. I'm assuming that's an affordability issue. I don't understand how the proposed shopping center could add to the traffic congestion.
Since you live in Carmel Valley, What would you know about the traffic impacts to the Hwy 68 corridor? There are lots of shopping centers on either end of that corridor and enough impeiments to the traffic commute. I doubt that many would be going to a dry cleaners or a gormet store to buy items that they can get at the local supermarket. Look where the Meditteranian market is today. One of the best gormet stores there was. Many in Corral de Tierra and San Benancio are struggeling to make house payments let alone buy gormet groceries. And I happen to agree with Bill about the greed that is rampant in the area. You know what they say about assumptions.
food for thought

United States

#4 Jun 6, 2010
Instead of building more "shopping centers"maybe someone should revamp the existing properties open a little gourmet grocery store, etc... in the existing Stonecreek or Toro park Shopping center area area?

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#5 Jun 6, 2010
Pohada wrote:
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Since you live in Carmel Valley, What would you know about the traffic impacts to the Hwy 68 corridor? There are lots of shopping centers on either end of that corridor and enough impeiments to the traffic commute. I doubt that many would be going to a dry cleaners or a gormet store to buy items that they can get at the local supermarket. Look where the Meditteranian market is today. One of the best gormet stores there was. Many in Corral de Tierra and San Benancio are struggeling to make house payments let alone buy gormet groceries. And I happen to agree with Bill about the greed that is rampant in the area. You know what they say about assumptions.
Well, since I've lived on the Monterey Peninsula my entire life I have a pretty good grasp of the traffic impacts of the 'Salinas Highway.' It's much, much different today. Years ago one could drive miles between Monterey and Salinas without seeing another car.

The traffic isn't going to go away unless we get serious about public transportation. That's a reality.

I'm not sure what your point is about Mediterranean Market. Is it that it no longer exists? I don't think that's because it was a gourmet market.

What greed are you talking about? This article stated that it was a local family who is behind the project. What do you suggest that they do with the property? Do you like the look of it as it now stands? It's not greedy to want to make money. I do believe our country is sort of based on capitalism. I'm assuming (and I'm sorry you have a problem with that word) that you work for a living so that you have money to buy the necessities that you need. I also assume that you buy more than necessities and that you purchase things that make you happy - a nice car, a boat, a motorhome, sports equipment, movie tickets - the list is endless. Why aren't you giving all your discretionary money to those people or organizations who need it? One could say it's because you're greedy. BTW - I don't think that.

If the those in Corral de Tierra and San Benancio are struggling with mortgage payments then they may not purchase items at the gourmet market. On the other hand, if someone living in the vicinity needs to purchase something it seems that it would actually lessen the amount of traffic, wouldn't you agree? They wouldn't have to travel all the way to Salinas or Monterey to make the purchase.

How about this for a solution - only those who were born on the Monterey Peninsula get to make decisions about development? Works for me. I find that many of the most vocal opponents to just about everything are those who haven't been here all that long. Why would anyone want to deny people that which they're enjoying?
Papa

San Jose, CA

#6 Jun 6, 2010
Start building....(over 70% of CDT & SB want this project...If need be..Let it go to a vote of the people (landwatch & weaver)...This is not Rancho San Juan.....Why have residents drive to Hwy 218 or Toro for a gallon of milk. Most residents could walk or ride bikes to this location...Keep the cars off hwy 68. Just like the Mid Valley Shopping center, you need services in Rural areas..
paul

Marina, CA

#7 Jun 6, 2010
these nut cases that saved the canyon (what they saved was the regular traffic jam up at the mouth of CV valley and along HWY 1) now want to save the corridor. Any development is met with the usual arguments about water, traffic, environment, greed, etc. regardless of what the off setting benefits may be. They have theirs and that is all they care about.
68 Resident

Salinas, CA

#8 Jun 6, 2010
As a person who lives on San Benancio and who has made the daily commute into Monterey, I can tell you the congestion stems from one thing: 68 is too small for the amount of traffic that travels over it every day. Compounding this problem is San Benancio Middle School traffic which backs up the rush hour commutes every morning and late afternoon. Something is drastically out-of-whack when my daily errands and appointments are scheduled so I'm off 68 by a certain time.

68 needs to be widened to accomodate all the people who live here, the thought of which horrifies the no-growth, environmentalist crowd. Naturally, they completely miss the obvious: All those cars sitting in traffic idling every day, twice a day, do more harm to the environment then adding 2 extra lanes ever would.

It's laughable to think a small shopping center is going to make traffic worse and I highly doubt people from all over the peninsula will be flooding 68 just to visit a cleaners and gourmet market. I, for one, would appreciate having necessities around the corner, just so I wouldn't have to drive into Salinas.

Since: Jun 10

King City, CA

#9 Jun 6, 2010
Brief history:

1974: Bill Phelps purchases about 5 acres from a farmer at the corner of Corral de Tierra and Highway 68. It is zoned agricultural/residential at the time. Phelps then applies to the County for a rezoning of this property to Commercial.

1974: An area petition is circulated OPPOSING a rezone to commercial uses on the property.

1974: The Monterey County Board of Supervisors turns down Phelps' request for a rezone to commercial

1976: Phelps sues Monterey County. He prevails on a rezone to Light Commercial.

Late 1986: An adjacent parcel, about 5 acres, has an application pending with the County of Monterey to have a large Beverly Convalescent Hospital put on it. This is property previously purchased by Mark Fields, who built a house above it in the early 70's. Zoning at the time would allow a maximum of one house per one acre. Mark Fields made arrangements with neighbors of their small private Hargis Mutual water well and system to have the rights to five hook-ups for a potential five residential lots in the field. Several versions of the agreement were made. All agreements stated water would be for RESIDENTIAL use only. This field was never subdivided. Instead Mark Fields quietly applied to the County to have the entire five acre parcel rezoned Light Commercial, then sold the five acre parcel, then sold his house above it, and moved to Arizona.

Late 1986: There is neighborhood, and area concern, anger, and opposition, at the proposal for a large convalescent hospital in this rural area, on the former Mark Fields 5-acre parcel. Another petition is circulated among area residents OPPOSING the Beverly Corporation's plans.

December 18, 1986: There is news that largely due to public controversy, the Beverly Convalescent Hospital Company withdraws its application, decides not to build a commercial enterprise in Corral de Tierra. The neighborhood finds that Bill Phelps has purchased this 5-acre property.

1992: During a time of extended drought, the Board of Supervisors adopts a B-8 overlay in large parts of Corral de Tierra and San Benancio.

1992: Bill Phelps, and his attorney Brian Finegan, return to the County asking for clarification. Phelps claims the B-8 is making his property unusable.

1993: The Board of Supervisors modifies the B-8 language clarifying the allowance of some commercial use as long as the parcel does not use more water than the average use on area parcels, determined by the County Water Resources Agency to be .63 acre feet of water per year, AND other issues like traffic and sewer capacity are not made worse.

1998: Bill Phelps files an application with the County to have his specific property removed from the B-8 overlay. Although it is a request for "spot zoning", technically it is not illegal to ask that it be changed.

2002: Phelps removes the old underground fuel tanks from his corner EXXON gas station. This was due to a mandatory order on March 27, 2002 to comply with State law. He allows the gas station to go dormant.

2003: Phelps files a new modified application with the County. His new application now includes, in addition to the "spot removal" of the B-8, an application to subdivide two parcels into seven, and for approval of plans for a huge shopping center. He advertises this will benefit area residents. He calls it, "COUNTRY VILLAGE".

Circa 2005: Bill Phelps purchases the old Mark Fields home from the then third owner of the house. He becomes the fourth owner. A rather convoluted process begins of a "remarriage" of Mark Fields theoretical five shares of Hargis Mutual Water System (on property never subdivided) to his current plans for a subdivision and commercial shopping center. True the house and five-acre parcel were at one time both owned by Mark Fields but both have had several different owners in the last thirty plus years. Phelps purchased the five acre field in December 1986 and Mark Fields old house about 2005. He argues he has a right to five shares of water.

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#10 Jun 6, 2010
Toro Folks wrote:
Brief history:
Thank you for the information.
pues

Salinas, CA

#11 Jun 6, 2010
"1974: Bill Phelps purchases about 5 acres from a farmer at the corner of Corral de Tierra and Highway 68. It is zoned agricultural/residential at the time. Phelps then applies to the County for a rezoning of this property to Commercial."

This is more high end lawyer driven real estate speculation. Just leave the property as is. Many would like to re zone their property but don't have the $400 per hour deep pockets to force the issue. Most Coral folks supported higher sales tax for Salinas, so we need to keep them shopping at star market and Raleys.
Roy Jordan

Pacific Grove, CA

#12 Jun 6, 2010
Why Is This New Development Project Even Being Considered Here Now???
They Cannot Construct A 126,500 Square Foot Shopping Center With 500 Parking Spaces Without All The Basic Resources Required To Start.
nonono

Monterey, CA

#13 Jun 6, 2010
This is a HORRIBLE IDEA!The traffic is already so bad and where are suppose to get the water?I am sick and tired of all these shopping centers and half of the existing ones have proven a flop and are empty..take care of what is already out there...STOP the building and robbing the water supply!Wake up people...we do not have the water and the roads are already far too congested...thi is a no brainer,DONT support it!
Barbara

United States

#14 Jun 6, 2010
Pohada wrote:
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Since you live in Carmel Valley, What would you know about the traffic impacts to the Hwy 68 corridor? There are lots of shopping centers on either end of that corridor and enough impeiments to the traffic commute. I doubt that many would be going to a dry cleaners or a gormet store to buy items that they can get at the local supermarket. Look where the Meditteranian market is today. One of the best gormet stores there was. Many in Corral de Tierra and San Benancio are struggeling to make house payments let alone buy gormet groceries. And I happen to agree with Bill about the greed that is rampant in the area. You know what they say about assumptions.
Just a note-if you mean the Med market that was on Ocean-a fallen tree in a severe storm was, for some part,a reason why it is no longer in business. It was successful up to that day-and a great loss to all of us...regards...
Pohada

Albuquerque, NM

#15 Jun 6, 2010
Barbara Thank you! for the information. Did not presume that they were unsuccessful. Just one of those wonderful places that have gone by the wayside.
Perhaps Mr.Coniglio didn't wish to go thru all the hassle of rebuilding.
Pohada

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Jun 7, 2010
sunnycali, Since you were born here Why did you and your ilk let things get so out of hand?

I have lived in the Monterey area for 40+ years. By choice I might add and have fought tooth and nail to stave off the descimation of the area for most of those 40 yrs. Not because I am an isolationest but because I hated to see what is happening now. Over growth at the expense of those who moved into the area to enjoy the beauty of the area and what used to be the peace and quiet.
your ass-umptions are totaly wrong: not fine car no motorhome or boat and not much of a discreationary monies fund. I do however volunteer in my community to support worthy efforts that benifit those in need.Hope you enjoy the traffic and a messy commute to where ever you choose to go.

By the way what is your interest in this ongoing banter about this development?

Will you perhaps open a dry cleaners, an ice crem parlor. They tried that at the 7-11 center on Portola. Where are they now?
Pohada

Albuquerque, NM

#18 Jun 7, 2010
sunnycali, Since you were born here Why did you and your ilk let things get so out of hand?

I have lived in the Monterey area for 40+ years. By choice I might add and have fought tooth and nail to stave off the descimation of the area for most of those 40 yrs. Not because I am an isolationest but because I hated to see what is happening now. Over growth at the expense of those who moved into the area to enjoy the beauty of the area and what used to be the peace and quiet.
your ***-umptions are totaly wrong: no fine car no motorhome or boat and not much of a discreationary monies fund. I do however volunteer in my community to support worthy efforts that benifit those in need.Hope you enjoy the traffic and a messy commute to where ever you choose to go.

By the way what is your interest in this ongoing banter about this development?

Will you perhaps open a dry cleaners, an ice crem parlor. They tried that at the 7-11 center on Portola. Where are they now?

Corrected text.
San Benancio

Monterey, CA

#19 Jun 7, 2010
I think the community of Corral De Tierra and San Benancio need a modest shopping center, I have been a resident for 19 years and it is alway a production to go to the grocery store. In my opinion it should lesson the traffic problem. I hope it passes!
dave

Salinas, CA

#20 Jun 7, 2010
Will not impact traffic other than the few people living near by will not go into salinas and Monterey. Who would from Salinas or Monterey would come there, Really.
The real question is how can the few that would go susstain a shopping Center. Kind of Like K-mart or now Wallmart in Marina

Since: Jun 10

United States

#21 Jun 7, 2010
Shopping Centers use a lot of water. Grocery stores use a
lot of water. The area is in overdraft. It has been in overdraft.
It will continue to be in overdraft. Groundwater is being mined.

In 2007 the Monterey County Water Resources Agency completed a study of area groundwater and found it is in overdraft.(Note: Still). The water table has been dropping on average one foot a year for the past 50 years. The area overdraft has been increasing with the water table dropping 1.8 feet per year since 1999.

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