Study: Education in dire straits

Study: Education in dire straits

There are 34 comments on the Monterey County Herald story from Dec 14, 2010, titled Study: Education in dire straits. In it, Monterey County Herald reports that:

There was a time, almost a decade ago, when Rick Ziel had fewer than 20 students in the classroom.

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Mel

Chualar, CA

#1 Dec 14, 2010
Online learning, provided by Rupert Murdoch, is poised to come to the rescue. Very soon only the wealthy will have live instruction. Brick and mortar schools will share the same fate as video stores.
slaves know best

Anderson, CA

#2 Dec 14, 2010
Mel wrote:
Online learning, provided by Rupert Murdoch, is poised to come to the rescue. Very soon only the wealthy will have live instruction. Brick and mortar schools will share the same fate as video stores.
as a former dem and independant, I would have to concur with that assesment.
republicans want an educational system without paying for it. this was obvious to me when they instituted the mcas tests in massachusetts under romney??. they just want YOU to be responsible for passing tests.
while cutting everywhere else. Its a ronald reagan "ketchup remedy"

I think the republicans think of education as a priveledge and not a right.
It isn't written into the constitution, but is in the geneva convention.
weve had mandatory public education around a long time, and public education in general since the industrial revolution. we need to bolster this system and reform it for this century. we cannot keep sliding further behind all these other competitors like germany and china, who pump money into their educational systems and have much better results. That is not to say just pumping money will help, but abandoning the system will be a catastrophy and truly put america on a second world course.
Central Coast Girl

AOL

#3 Dec 14, 2010
A State Transformed:

> www.cis.org/california-education< ;

CA. is now the least educated State in the Nation.
Pamela Vescera

Monterey, CA

#4 Dec 14, 2010
Is there a program that would organize the voluntary assistance of retired teachers? If willing retired teachers offered a half day a week to a local school, perhaps that would provide relief/support for classroom teachers. Of course, there are liability insurance issues and salaries for the organizers that would cause problems. But many teachers are pained that education has become so compromised. They understand that this will affect all of us in the future.
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#5 Dec 14, 2010
Central Coast Girl wrote:
A State Transformed:
> www.cis.org/california-education< ;
CA. is now the least educated State in the Nation.
Central Coast Girl.

One often hears the premise stated that, whenever Government subsidizes something, it gets more of it. Could it be that California is now the least educated State because, since the 60s 70s revolution, California politicians have subsidized Stupid?

Ronald
slaves know best

Anderson, CA

#6 Dec 14, 2010
Central Coast Girl wrote:
A State Transformed:
> www.cis.org/california-education< ;
CA. is now the least educated State in the Nation.
I'm hopin you mean that our educational system is worst, because although california has plenty of idiots, it also has some of the smartest people in the world. and we dont want rebuttlickin holding too much power, because you guys will drill off shore and ruin our quality of life. the road to austerity will be tough, I'm hoping people wake up soon in both parties nation wide.
they are both totally corrupted. I dont see the light at the end of the tunnel, but being an independant I can say that brown better not get comfortable because he's going to have to settle for retirement to make the un-popular choices. It is That or THEY contitnue to live beyond OUR means.
Truth

Monterey, CA

#7 Dec 14, 2010
Based on information included in my latest property tax bill, 61% of every property tax dollar goes to education. I recall reading recently that Latino children now equal more than 51% of California students. If a significant portion of those Latino students are illegal then there appears to be an obvious solution. Reduce the student population and stop increasing it with children from an invading nation. I believe that 61% of our tax dollars is already more than enough!!
Kim

Monterey, CA

#8 Dec 14, 2010
Good luck to the parents!! Hopefully by the time my grandson and soon to be grand baby are ready for school , this mess will be fixed!! So glad the schools were still somewhat okay when my last graduated in 2001! "Truth" you may have the answer but it is so complicated to even think about untangling it!
zane salazar

Long Beach, CA

#9 Dec 14, 2010
Luckily for the failing Public Schools in California that citizens here put Unions privileges and perks and benefits above our own children's best interests.

Having 47th Rated Public Schools out of the 50 States would have been considered shameful and disgraceful to our Parents.
Toxic

Salinas, CA

#10 Dec 16, 2010
Kim wrote:
Good luck to the parents!! Hopefully by the time my grandson and soon to be grand baby are ready for school , this mess will be fixed!! So glad the schools were still somewhat okay when my last graduated in 2001! "Truth" you may have the answer but it is so complicated to even think about untangling it!
Sadly the fix is light years away. It's not just about money either it's what we do with it more importantly. We need to trim fat at the top levels so we see more money at the classroom level.
John Lee

United States

#11 Dec 28, 2010
They (school districts) sure have a strange way of showing their need and appreciation of newer people in this teaching pipeline. They give all the jobs, money that is available, to the older, tenured teacher. In meeting drastic new budgets... rather than cutting the pay of the older teacher, they choose to jettison the newer teacher completely from their ranks! And this doesn't even take into account the new teachers just out of credential progam--those individuals can't even entertain the prospect of a job.

What this tells me is that they don't care about the future of teaching. This goes directly at the administers, school boards, but ALSO very much the unions (i.e. teachers themselves). Their measures are ALL to protect old teacher salaries. Think of any steps they've taken in the past... 3-5 years now? Furloughs. Laying off (new teachers). Cutting support staff. Etc.

Who is the primary focus, in making these cuts? It's DEFINITELY NOT the students. The very people this is supposed to be about. It's CERTAINLY not the young teachers in the pipeline. They are removed from not only their total income, but their own class from which they derive their professional satisfaction. It's the teachers. It's the teachers in the union. Every measure is for teachers to keep their current salaries (i.e. Why is cutting teacher pay the virtual LAST step to take?).
Cindy Robertson

Surfside, CA

#12 Dec 28, 2010
Our State's Public Schools can't be fixed. The largest contributor to the Dictatorship which voters just gave complete control of State government is the Teachers Union. Calif. children don't stand a pray of a chance as the voters stacked the deck against them.
Ocean View

Pebble Beach, CA

#13 Dec 28, 2010
Central Coast Girl wrote:
A State Transformed:
> www.cis.org/california-education< ;
CA. is now the least educated State in the Nation.
Not necessarily. Just that it has the highest percentage of high school dropouts than any other state. This is an indirect measure of education, and it would be interesting to see information on how CA students compare with students in other states in regard to SAT scores and other standardized tests. This study does not examine this aspect, only high school retention and drop out rates, which have improved markedly over the last 40 years, but not as much as has occurred in other states.
Ocean View

Pebble Beach, CA

#14 Dec 28, 2010
Truth wrote:
Based on information included in my latest property tax bill, 61% of every property tax dollar goes to education. I recall reading recently that Latino children now equal more than 51% of California students. If a significant portion of those Latino students are illegal then there appears to be an obvious solution. Reduce the student population and stop increasing it with children from an invading nation. I believe that 61% of our tax dollars is already more than enough!!
"California, the eighth richest state, spends 3.8 percent of per capita income on education, making it the 46th in that category of spending ranking. Many affluent districts have formed tax-exempt foundations to make up for lost income."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/backgrounders/sch...

"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance."--Derek Bok
Ocean View

Pebble Beach, CA

#15 Dec 28, 2010
John Lee wrote:
Why is cutting teacher pay the virtual LAST step to take?.
Because they are already the least paid of all the professions for which advanced education is required for employment. Cutting teacher's pay is like suggesting that military pay should be cut; they have already accepted many years of below average pay for the promise that their dedication will be recognized by a grateful public.
Seth Adams

Long Beach, CA

#16 Dec 29, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
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Because they are already the least paid of all the professions for which advanced education is required for employment. Cutting teacher's pay is like suggesting that military pay should be cut; they have already accepted many years of below average pay for the promise that their dedication will be recognized by a grateful public.
Our States rates 47th in Public Education effectiveness. It only makes sense that our Teachers have EARNED the 47th level pay and pension.
Our Teachers are paid far more than the results would indicate that they are worth.
John Lee

United States

#17 Dec 29, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
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Because they are already the least paid of all the professions for which advanced education is required for employment. Cutting teacher's pay is like suggesting that military pay should be cut; they have already accepted many years of below average pay for the promise that their dedication will be recognized by a grateful public.
Well, first thing you need to realize is that teaching offers teachers things beyond mere pay. Teachers, in their own words, wax poetic about how they get to affect the lives of children... they all have little trinkets on their desks about how precious this role is...

They also get a unique benefit of a 10-week block of free time during the summer months. Very few other professions have this perk. It's something that is difficult to quantify (in $), but certainly having this unique benefit adds to the compensation teachers enjoy.

As to your military analogy: It is sad how brainwashed respectable people (like you, presumably) are. This is not WW2 and hitting the shores at Normandy. In 2010, the U.S. has a bigger military THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED. We have military bases in over 100 countries around the world. To make your little comment comparing military to teaching, shows how ignorant you are to various facts. Our military is grossly overbuilt, and--when history books look back in 100 years at the US empire, they will cite this glaring fact.(As a teacher, ask yourself how we appear... and how we will appear, to people in the future. All of those things I mentioned are verifiable.)

The bottom line is that (tenured, older) teachers need to make sacrifices. Everyone can agree that this situation is "dire". What sacrifice have teachers made (besides sacrificing their younger brethren)?
Truth

Monterey, CA

#18 Dec 30, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
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"California, the eighth richest state, spends 3.8 percent of per capita income on education, making it the 46th in that category of spending ranking. Many affluent districts have formed tax-exempt foundations to make up for lost income."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/backgrounders/sch...
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance."--Derek Bok
The figures that you quoted are from 1994-1995. Even assuming that currently the situation is even worse, how does that contradict what my point was. It appears that your solution is to continue allowing the invasion of our country and just increase our taxes to educate the invader's children. That is a great deal for them; impossible for us to continue.
Alfie Noakes

Chualar, CA

#19 Dec 30, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
<quoted text>
Not necessarily. Just that it has the highest percentage of high school dropouts than any other state. This is an indirect measure of education, and it would be interesting to see information on how CA students compare with students in other states in regard to SAT scores and other standardized tests. This study does not examine this aspect, only high school retention and drop out rates, which have improved markedly over the last 40 years, but not as much as has occurred in other states.
So if STAR testing is not a way to evaluate how students and teachers are doing, why bother testing?
Ocean View

Pebble Beach, CA

#20 Dec 31, 2010
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>The figures that you quoted are from 1994-1995. Even assuming that currently the situation is even worse, how does that contradict what my point was. It appears that your solution is to continue allowing the invasion of our country and just increase our taxes to educate the invader's children. That is a great deal for them; impossible for us to continue.
The PBS link was only in reference to how school districts are coping with cuts in education funding. The per capita information and state rankings were more current (2008) from a different website. My point is that per capita educational spending in California is one of the lowest in the country, which is a significant change over the past three decades, so it is not surprising that educational outcomes have suffered, even as the high school drop out rate has improved.

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