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Polaris to start layoffs at Osceola plant on March 1 as work moves to Mexico

There are 99 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Dec 23, 2010, titled Polaris to start layoffs at Osceola plant on March 1 as work moves to Mexico. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The Polaris Inc. plant in Osceola will start laying off workers March 1, and the cuts will come in phases for six months.

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liam

Saint Paul, MN

#85 Dec 25, 2010
beeecause wrote:
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Yeah and you are one of the typical blue collar workers with an attitude thinking you are worth WAY more than your skills demand.
well that was conceited! Are you implying that the guy who went to a 4 yr college that daddy paid for - receives a degree that he snorted and smoked for- is somehow worth more to us then the blue collar mechanic?

The blue collar folk are way more in tune with reality then white collar type.
I would rather be drinking beer with them instead of sipping martini's with the other...
My blue collar background allows me to see right through my colleagues. And the funny thing is: they can not see through eachother.
their whole life is written on their foreheads. And most serve themselves and thats it. Its all about them, their career and of course, MONEY. But the blue collar type - its about their family and friends. Truly genuine people. Not superficial.
Al Bundy

Minneapolis, MN

#86 Dec 25, 2010
liam wrote:
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well that was conceited! Are you implying that the guy who went to a 4 yr college that daddy paid for - receives a degree that he snorted and smoked for- is somehow worth more to us then the blue collar mechanic?
The blue collar folk are way more in tune with reality then white collar type.
I would rather be drinking beer with them instead of sipping martini's with the other...
My blue collar background allows me to see right through my colleagues. And the funny thing is: they can not see through eachother.
their whole life is written on their foreheads. And most serve themselves and thats it. Its all about them, their career and of course, MONEY. But the blue collar type - its about their family and friends. Truly genuine people. Not superficial.
Working for a big corporation, I'd say you're 99.9% on the mark with this. When I was younger and trying to pay my way through college I worked in two factories doing assembly work. They were the best jobs I ever had, great people, decent pay, and none of the corporate politics of how to get ahead at someone else's expense.
One factory I worked at had a union, but voted it out because they weren't satisfied. The other factory was non-union from the start. The first went to Mexico for a few years, and when the company leaders wanted yet more 'compensation', they shipped it all to China.
beeecause

Saint Paul, MN

#87 Dec 25, 2010
liam wrote:
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well that was conceited! Are you implying that the guy who went to a 4 yr college that daddy paid for - receives a degree that he snorted and smoked for- is somehow worth more to us then the blue collar mechanic?
The blue collar folk are way more in tune with reality then white collar type.
I would rather be drinking beer with them instead of sipping martini's with the other...
My blue collar background allows me to see right through my colleagues. And the funny thing is: they can not see through eachother.
their whole life is written on their foreheads. And most serve themselves and thats it. Its all about them, their career and of course, MONEY. But the blue collar type - its about their family and friends. Truly genuine people. Not superficial.
You prove my point. I've been deeply involved with both blue and white collar folks and neither is better than the other. You clearly are a blue collar snob. Red state/blue state my friend, manufacturing is expanding in red states because of their pro-business attitude. You are a classic blue stater with your dislike of management, ownership, white collar and love of higher wages and blue collar yet are clueless of what it takes to generate those good wages on a national scale.
Rice St

Minneapolis, MN

#88 Dec 25, 2010
OVER TAXED and Things Happen!
beaver

Saint Paul, MN

#89 Dec 25, 2010
another UNION victory !
Ignorance is bliss

Minneapolis, MN

#90 Dec 25, 2010
beaver wrote:
another UNION victory !
Blissful post Beav.
The plant was non union. Now try thinking for yourself instead of letting the talking heads make you look even more ignorant!
Ignorance is bliss

Minneapolis, MN

#91 Dec 25, 2010
Gary wrote:
<quoted text>Give us some good historical examples of nations with hundreds of millions of citizens who prospered under a socialist/communist command and control economy? Do you ever study history? Fidel Castro is compassionate, and he murders citizens who try to escape his leftist utopia. Is this what you mean? The governemnt controls all the economic output and gives the people jobs, healthcare, housing, etc. And they're all mired in poverty - except, of course, those in the government regime. You've bought the class-envy bit pushed by the left hook, line, and sinker. They have no shortage of useful-idiots who will blindly fight for some fictional cause, all while fighting against the principals that have given American's security and unprecedented properity that you benefit from but don't understand.
Who does Walmart do the most buying from?
Who owns the massive US debt?
Who has the worlds fastest growing economy right now?
Who exports ten times more to the US then we export to them?
Who has the worlds largest population?
The answer to your first question is the the same as your answer to this little quiz.
Do you ever study history? Study the fall of the Roman empire.
You've bought the Reaganomics fallacy of trickle down and supply side. DEMAND drives the economy. Manufacture all the widgets you want, yet if nobody is buying, what do you have?
Greed is the improvidence of the wealthy. It's not class envy.
HCV

Saint Paul, MN

#92 Dec 25, 2010
For starters KISS wrote:
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How about discussing just houseing.
The houseing adjustment was caused by liberal lending to many who could not afford what lending institutions allowed them to buy, in fact lenders encouraged them to buy.
The lending rules were changed so borrowers didn't need 20% down and incomes were ignored which caused millions to get in way over their heads. Then throw in ARMs and the stage was set for the houseing adjustment that was sure to occur.
Was the houseing collapse caused by greed?
Don't think so, it was caused by caution thrown out the window by lenders for some reason. They had to have known the adjustment was on the way with prices so high there was NO WAY they could be justified.
The banks are not cashing in while selling houses short and foreclosing on houses. Banks got themselves a real mess on their hands.
There is a group of people who did cash in on the houseing run up, the flippers. A case I know of a flipper bought a house for 94K invested about 10K and sold it for 176K. The flip took 3 months to complete, not a bad return. BTW the house will be in foreclosure this spring because the buyer is upside down and is choosing to bail out.
So IF greed is involved it would be the flippers.
In Capitalism the market is controlled by supply and demand setting prices. The loosers should have asked the question "Is the house I'm buying worth what I'm paying?".
The price of a house is what it costs to build it, no more. And if your buying an old obsolete house it is NOT WORTH what it costs to build a new house of the same square footage.
When house prices were skyrocketing my message was "Prices will come down at some point". Here we are, down they come.
KISS, I give you just one of some reasons for the housing collapse related to greediness. The lending businesses wanted to make money from doing the closing costs. They made many of us refinancing on our houses based on artificially soaring equity. So that way we boosted our purchasing power in that fragile economy. Yes, there are some other sticky issues about housing, but I don't want to write a book here!
For starters KISS

Minneapolis, MN

#93 Dec 26, 2010
HCV wrote:
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KISS, I give you just one of some reasons for the housing collapse related to greediness. The lending businesses wanted to make money from doing the closing costs. They made many of us refinancing on our houses based on artificially soaring equity. So that way we boosted our purchasing power in that fragile economy. Yes, there are some other sticky issues about housing, but I don't want to write a book here!
"They made many of us refinancing on our houses based on artificially soaring equity."

You are right, many siezed the opportunity to take equity from our houses based on soaring prices. While understanding people did that it was based on the fact that housing prices would NEVER GO DOWN.

You could sense the "jump on the bandwagon" aspect of the realestate market, it seemed like everyone was of the mindset that "IF we don't get a house now we may NEVER be able to afford one". Then as you say there were those grabbing equity from their houses.

It was a sad phase of our society with many loosing greatly (banks and people gambling on realestate) and many gaining greatly (flippers and loan business as you say).

Many young lost money based on the fact they needed a house and bought a highpriced house and are still living in the house but upside down. However they don't loose until they sell short.

Sorry to say many looked at buying a house as a money making transaction when it really IS a long term place to live.

We paid $13,800 for an old house in 1972 invested $100,000 in it over the years not counting sweat equity. Its price peaked at over $300K and now MIGHT sell for $200K. Of course property taxes are a bigger concern because living in North Saint Paul we pay 30% higher than Oakdale and 20% higher than Maplewood. North Saint Paul has been MISMANAGED for many years and now the birds have come home to roost.
BRS

Comstock, WI

#94 Dec 26, 2010
As Polaris has been making record profits, it appears Corporate Greed which is one of the downfalls of the US economy is seen in Polaris as they are able to spend dollars to build a new plant in Mexico and displace over 400 jobs from the working American. This way they can make more and more profits to line their overflowing pockets more with cheap Mexican labor. Made in the US should no longer be associated with this product. I have owned my last of many Polaris products including snowmobiles and ATVs. In the near future I will only support the company that supports their hard working employees and not take away jobs so they can live in big houses and drive big fancy SUVs ! Made is USA is what this country stands for !
NO MOTORS

Long Lake, MN

#95 Dec 26, 2010
Miserablesota and Wisconsin are banning everything with a motor UNLESS it's an electric motor.

Polaris was motivated to move to the part of the world where their products can be used NO BANNED BY GOVERNMENT!!

Note the Polaris and GE Capital ADs on TV, they show exectutives driving ATVs in the desert, NOT on a Midwest trail.

DUH!!!!!!!

SEE THE OBVIOUS?
pipemaster

Becker, MN

#96 Dec 26, 2010
Ain't that great! I always thought we could depend on that company. Wow, what a let down! I promise I won't but another product!
Where r the Jobs

United States

#97 Dec 26, 2010
High taxes, radical labor laws and nutty epa regulations are why jobs go bye bye. China builds one new coal plant a month, drills for oil thus taking all our jobs.
wtf

Minneapolis, MN

#98 Dec 26, 2010
lobster68w wrote:
and Yamaha is moving TO the USA.
http://www.atvmagonline.com/2010/02/yamaha-an...
Screw you Polaris.
I believe that Yamaha has been manufacturing their water craft in Nebraska?
wtf

Minneapolis, MN

#99 Dec 26, 2010
BRS wrote:
As Polaris has been making record profits, it appears Corporate Greed which is one of the downfalls of the US economy is seen in Polaris as they are able to spend dollars to build a new plant in Mexico and displace over 400 jobs from the working American. This way they can make more and more profits to line their overflowing pockets more with cheap Mexican labor. Made in the US should no longer be associated with this product. I have owned my last of many Polaris products including snowmobiles and ATVs. In the near future I will only support the company that supports their hard working employees and not take away jobs so they can live in big houses and drive big fancy SUVs ! Made is USA is what this country stands for !
Some of the Osceola jobs were relocated to Minnesota. At least something positive happened from this event.
beeecause

Saint Paul, MN

#100 Dec 26, 2010
BRS wrote:
As Polaris has been making record profits, it appears Corporate Greed which is one of the downfalls of the US economy is seen in Polaris as they are able to spend dollars to build a new plant in Mexico and displace over 400 jobs from the working American. This way they can make more and more profits to line their overflowing pockets more with cheap Mexican labor. Made in the US should no longer be associated with this product. I have owned my last of many Polaris products including snowmobiles and ATVs. In the near future I will only support the company that supports their hard working employees and not take away jobs so they can live in big houses and drive big fancy SUVs ! Made is USA is what this country stands for !
Class envy isn't going to get you anywhere numbnuts, despite what the liberals have been telling you for years. And here's another tip, ALL corporations are "greedy", they're a business not a social welfare agency you idiot.
lol

Dresser, WI

#101 Dec 27, 2010
30 years before reagan trickled down on them. must have been a powerful company.
LETS GO WILD

Frisco, TX

#102 Dec 27, 2010
Welcome to hope and change

“Peace the old fashioned way”

Since: Jan 09

Montevideo

#103 Jan 2, 2011
they will buy wrote:
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I used Wal-Mart as a example! I guess I should have rambled on and on like you? Most people on here are smart enough to understand that I didn't need to point out every store. Please tell us the rest of you life story. I didn't get bored enough reading about your boots!
You sound like boredom is your strong suit. I'm surprised with your attention span you made it to the end of the post, which you probably didn't,Just mindlessly posts.

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