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Answer me this: PG&E reaches out to Humboldt County customers with SmartMeter questions

There are 50 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Nov 30, 2010, titled Answer me this: PG&E reaches out to Humboldt County customers with SmartMeter questions. In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

Pacific Gas and Electric kicked off its face-to-face outreach Monday with an Answer Center session in Eureka geared toward SmartMeters.

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RobertW

United States

#2 Nov 30, 2010
PG&E DOESN'T ALWAYS LIE. SOMETIMES THEY HIDE THE TRUTH AND OTHER TIMES THEY JUST DELIVER MISINFORMATION.

BILL DEVEREAUX, THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF THE PG&E SMART METER PROGRAM AND THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR HONEST AND TRANSPARENT COMMUNICATIONS TO THE PUBLIC, WAS JUST FORCED TO RESIGN AFTER BEING CAUGHT LYING TO THE PUBLIC. He was caught lying by members of the public, NOT by PG&E.

PG$E corporate pretends that it was the method of a single man, but PG&E corporate management were aware and they continue the dishonesty, now in Humboldt, to promote their Wireless $mart meter program.

The WIRELESS smart meters cause significant problems with private information violations, security risks and hacking, dramatically increased utility bills and health problems.

Focusing on HEALTH PROBLEMS:

On November 18, just last week, a dozen of the highest quality scientists with ultimate integrity from around the world met in conference at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco.

These scientists are the top-of-the-line worldwide regarding testing effects of Radio Signal Radiation (the type from PG&E smart meters) and further evaluating other studies of Wireless radiation.

Their tests vary in type, but they each found DAMAGE TO CELLS. How long it takes to show various symptoms and how serious and widespread the illness will be is not yet known. Some guessed that death, cancer and disease could well exceed that from cigarette smoking, because of greater population exposure due to forced installation of WIRELESS smart meter type devices on homes.

Strong correlations have already been seen between wireless exposure and cancer. The greatest risks are to children, since their skulls absorb more of the radiation.

Damage to cells occur not only from substantial exposures to common wireless devices, but also from extremely low levels of exposure for short periods of time.

This evidence makes it quite difficult to ignore a Wireless Smart Meter attached to a home. The $mart meter not only transmits signals from the home where it is installed, but each smart meter also transmits to, receives from and repeats transmissions signals from other meters in the community 24/7, without a shutoff switch. The Smart Meter also transmits PULSED signal radiation, which is shown to be considerably more damaging than a steady signal, even at low levels.

Smart Meter comparisons to other wireless devices are comparing apples and oranges because (1) smart meters run all night,(2) smart meters do not send utility information signals directly to the utility company. Instead, smart meters are deployed in a wireless mesh network transmitting, receiving and repeating the other meters signals in the community resulting in potentially millions of more signals than those originating from a single meter.

Simply stated, adults need a "Quiet electronic" time during sleeping hours so that they recover for the following day. Children, in addition to recovery, need that sleep time for their own delicate electronic communications from brain to cells to direct the proper growth and development of their complete body, organs, systems and brain.

PG&E pawns at so-called "Information meetings" compare smart meters to other wireless devices as if the smart meter is operating alone. It is similar to downplaying the danger of Army Ants in South America, by looking at the bite of a single ant instead of the devastation from Army Ants covering multiple square miles and destroying villages, farms and most all animal life in their path.

WIRELESS smart meters are great for PG&E. PG&E corporate management will make a $$$ fortune eliminating meter reader jobs and not paying for shielded cables to carry the transmissions, which would protect people from the constant pulsed radiation.

So now, these scientist's observations and peer reviewed articles confirming cell damage from non-ionizing radiation denies the longstanding industry theories that incorrectly proclaimed safety.

“Truth is Difficult to Find!”

Since: Dec 07

Eureka/Hoopa, CA

#3 Nov 30, 2010
Jump dpwn PG&E's throat all you want, but it is California's Energy Board that pushed and require the installation of these meters. Complaints should not only be tendered to PG&E, but the California Energy Board.
Redneck

Chico, CA

#4 Nov 30, 2010
Big businesses don't care about we "little" people. We are expendable in the long run.
Just say "no" as long as you can. Nothing they do is for our benefit, you can bet on that!
Bah

Moraga, CA

#5 Nov 30, 2010
RobertW wrote:
So now, these scientist's observations and peer reviewed articles confirming cell damage from non-ionizing radiation denies the longstanding industry theories that incorrectly proclaimed safety.
Could you direct us to a source of this information? I just don't see it out there in any credible form. However, your use of all caps is certainly a compelling argument.
Frankie Steiner

Emeryville, CA

#6 Nov 30, 2010
Just give your SmartMeter a Tin-Foil Hat.

That's right, wrap it like a Turkey.

Vex and Confound them...
Sam

United States

#7 Nov 30, 2010
Question for PG&E:

Are your smart meters powered by metered power (does the customer pay for the power used to transmit usage data?

Question for Customers?

Do you use a cell phone, or "cordless" phone on your landline? Probably getting more exposure to radio signals from that little device (held so lovingly next to your brain) than from a meter on the outside of the house.
Frankie Steiner

Emeryville, CA

#8 Nov 30, 2010
One thing I know.

If you Text too much you get Warts.

And if you're like me, if you stand there
at the 12 year-old microwave watching
your dinner cook, you're probably being
juiced.
Henry

United States

#9 Nov 30, 2010
The scramble is on to learn how to defeat the meters, especially the dope growers! Then comes the crazies. Then the environmentalist...etc, etc, etc.

My meters are working well. My monthly bill has been less then what the analog meters had recorded and the meter readers read.

I believe these meters are being installed for future control of your power usage. It also allowed PG&E to can most meter readers.

San Bruno Scam

-Bogus blast victim wanted it all, prosecutors say
Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, November 4, 2010

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#10 Nov 30, 2010
I enjoyed Robert W.'s opening paragraph about lies, truth and misinformation = SPOT ON FOR PYRAMID SCHEMING TYPES!

Here is a quote from the article, "The plan is to eventually allow customers to see how and when they are using power if they choose to so they can find ways to use less and save money, according to PG&E."

My Response = As if the customer base demanded or requires choices in digital meter form to be able to see how and when they are using power. I have never, not once, been concerned with HOW AND WHEN POWER IS USED above and beyond turning off the light switch or opening up a window shade, etc... More and more in today's world, supporting information is tainted - probably because in most instances, schemers don't get what they want unless THEY TAINT REALITY THROUGH BRAINWASHING TECHNIQUES.

TROJAN HORSE FOR FURTHER SATELLITE TRANSMISSIONS UPON PRIVATE PROPERTIES - LIKE CELL TOWERS, TRANSMISSION STATIONS, ROUTER TOWERS, ETC...

PGE IS UP TO NO GOOD AND IT IS TIED TO PROFIT MARGINIZATIONS, POWER AND CONTROL - OF COURSE, THE BIG AND BAD DEMO-REPUB DUALOPOLY HAS ITS FASCIST FINGERS IN THE FRAY.

Jeffrey Lytle
McKinleyville - 5th District

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#11 Nov 30, 2010
Another note: This is a trojan horse for, DARE I CONVINCE FOLKS,

RATIONED ENERGY SUPPLIES AND DISTRIBUTIONS!

JL

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#12 Nov 30, 2010
Henry wrote:
The scramble is on to learn how to defeat the meters, especially the dope growers! Then comes the crazies. Then the environmentalist...etc, etc, etc.
My meters are working well. My monthly bill has been less then what the analog meters had recorded and the meter readers read.
I believe these meters are being installed for future control of your power usage. It also allowed PG&E to can most meter readers.
San Bruno Scam
-Bogus blast victim wanted it all, prosecutors say
Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, November 4, 2010
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...
So, are you asking in a backwards sorta way for a refund check from PGE; or, are you satisfied that they stole from you by using uncalibrated meters AND by using the overcharged theft of your finances, PGE used the thieving to subsidize the cost of the new meters along with tainted reasonings.

Your right though about energy rationings for the fascist slave types!

JL
Hippycrits

Castro Valley, CA

#13 Nov 30, 2010
thankyou liberals

al gore is the one who pushed this technology. he is a major investor in "smart" technology.

check out the ny times article http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/en...

for all you liberals who will blame corporations you can blame yourself instead. you voted for this man and his hoax technology.

i wonder what he will buy with the profits? another yacht, another jet?

hoax and change you can belive in
Frankie Steiner

Emeryville, CA

#14 Nov 30, 2010
Jeffrey Lytle wrote:
Another note: This is a trojan horse for, DARE I CONVINCE FOLKS,
RATIONED ENERGY SUPPLIES AND DISTRIBUTIONS!
JL
That could be...
Probably down the road...
But it won't be a cut-off, just a tiered system.
Rationed like water...

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#15 Nov 30, 2010
Frankie Steiner wrote:
One thing I know.
If you Text too much you get Warts.
And if you're like me, if you stand there
at the 12 year-old microwave watching
your dinner cook, you're probably being
juiced.
Are you implying that PGE would steal unpaid for wasted energy to power a digital meter unlike the past, then continue arguing to save energy in order to make more fascist profits (but by saying how good it is to have smart meters)?
Kinda a circle jerk financial scheme when you get down to it. So, how much money is saved by reducing labor (meter readers)? Anyhow, the real deal is that all properties are self-sustainable with its energy needs. In today's reality, PGE should not even exist in so far as non-commercial/non-industrial applications.

JL

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#16 Nov 30, 2010
Sam wrote:
Question for PG&E:
Are your smart meters powered by metered power (does the customer pay for the power used to transmit usage data?
Question for Customers?
Do you use a cell phone, or "cordless" phone on your landline? Probably getting more exposure to radio signals from that little device (held so lovingly next to your brain) than from a meter on the outside of the house.
Are you implying that PGE would steal unpaid for wasted energy to power a digital meter unlike the past, then continue arguing to save energy in order to make more fascist profits (but by saying how good it is to have smart meters)?
Kinda a circle jerk financial scheme when you get down to it. So, how much money is saved by reducing labor (meter readers)? Anyhow, the real deal is that all properties are self-sustainable with its energy needs. In today's reality, PGE should not even exist in so far as non-commercial/non-industrial applications.

JL

Redo from errant response to incorrect poster.
Frankie Steiner

Emeryville, CA

#17 Nov 30, 2010
Jeffrey Lytle wrote:
Redo from errant response to incorrect poster.
I am always correct!

The SmartMeters transmit at less than a watt.

A kid's Walkie-Talkie has more power...
Rumbustious

Arcata, CA

#18 Nov 30, 2010
JL -- We already have tiered pricing, depending on how much energy you use. There's the "baseline", which is not really enough for most of us. Then as you use more energy, the price goes up.

People writing here about energy rationing: it's going to happen, whether you like it or not. And it's NOT going to happen through government regulations, but through the action of the free market. The cost of generating energy -- whether it be petroleum/gas/coal based, hydropower, nuclear, or solar/wind -- is going to go up. The price of hydrocarbons is rising as there is more global demand. Building new power plants of any sort is expensive.

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe energy prices aren't going to continue rising. Global demand is outstripping supply.

So prices are going to go up and up. You will end up being rationed through PRICE -- it will be too expensive for you to use energy the way you have become accustomed.

Under those circumstances the smart meters may actually be a good idea.

Regarding radio frequency emissions: if you have 1) a wireless phone, 2) a cell phone, 3) a wireless DSL or cable modem or router, or computer with wireless card 4) Bluetooth devices (mouse, keyboard, headphones), 5) any sort of wireless home entertainment system, 6) wireless home security/ motion detection system, 7) wireless on-off switches for appliances or lamps, 8) wireless indoor-outdoor thermometer or weather station, 9) wireless baby-monitoring system (sound or video), 10) a walkie-talkie like the little Motorola 2-way radios, 11) virtually any other wireless device -- you are already being bathed in RF emissions. Some of these only occur when the device is used. Others, like those from a wireless-capable modem are constant. Even if you do not have these, your neighbors may. Fortunately, the intensity of RF emissions die off rapidly with distance from the source.

I am more concerned that the SmartMeter signals will interfere with electronics in my house and computer network. Some folks have already reported this.
Rumbustious

Arcata, CA

#19 Nov 30, 2010
Another thing about rationing: we have already experienced it. Remember the "rolling blackouts" and "brownouts" we had in the early 2000's due to energy supplies being manipulated by Enron and other suppliers to PGE. Don't think that those can't/won't come back. They will, if energy demand outstrips supply. There's no choice.

In the current political climate, rationing will almost certainly occur through price. This means that those who are poor, or middle income will have to do without. Those who are wealthy can use whatever they wish.

This is the free market at work -- and it DOES work, but the results are often unfair, if fairness means that we should all share the burden of shortages equally.
Rumbustious

Arcata, CA

#20 Nov 30, 2010
The best solution (which I'd do if I could afford it) is to generate your own energy with solar panels. Then you're free of the manipulation of the market. You can even sell excess energy to PGE!

Since: Feb 08

Hana, HI

#21 Nov 30, 2010
Rumbustious wrote:
Another thing about rationing: we have already experienced it. Remember the "rolling blackouts" and "brownouts" we had in the early 2000's due to energy supplies being manipulated by Enron and other suppliers to PGE. Don't think that those can't/won't come back. They will, if energy demand outstrips supply. There's no choice.
In the current political climate, rationing will almost certainly occur through price. This means that those who are poor, or middle income will have to do without. Those who are wealthy can use whatever they wish.
This is the free market at work -- and it DOES work, but the results are often unfair, if fairness means that we should all share the burden of shortages equally.
It is not the meters themselves that are capable of rationing power, the new radio meters can only make or break contact (turn on or off power to the entire building), not control or reduce energy used inside after the point of demarcation (the meter).
In the future PG&E hopes to be able to use the new meters as an interface to adjust temperature settings on some new devices and appliances fitted with special chips capable of being remotely controlled by a central controller at a remote central location.
Several appliance manufacturers have received federal stimulus corporate welfare bailout money (our federal tax dollars) to start implementation of installing the new chips, but it won't be until many years in the future that these new appliances will be on the market.
There are many ways around the remote controls, like not buying the new appliances, or if you have to buy a new one, jump the remote control chip, take it out of the loop.
This remote control of by PG&E has to be allowed by the customer, it is a voluntary choice, not mandated by law.
Personally, I don't want any external controls on anything inside my private property, and I won't ever allow it, period.
We all own everything past the point of connection of PG&E at the riser, including the riser and weatherhead, the wires inside the riser, the meter enclosure, load center(s), all the wiring and any and all devices, fixtures and appliances inside of our private property, and we can do whatever we want with it as long as it is safe (up to code) and we pay the going rate for the electricity used.
The new meters are not a part of the aging power grid, and everything will work just fine if the meter is pulled out and jumpers put in its place. The only problem is that PG&E won't be able to charge for power used.
NOTE: The new meters are capable of sensing an interruption of power, and will alert the power co. ALSO, THE METER IS PROPERTY OF PG&E, and any tampering or diverting of power is a felony.
This rationing people are talking about has been done by the grid operators through rolling blackouts. Most damage to electronic equipment is done by voltage sags (a brownout). If PG&E has a power quality problem and it damages expensive equipment inside their customers private property, PG&E is liable.

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