Marin County: meter plan not smart

Full story: Marin Independent Journal

Marin County supervisors, asserting that proceeding with a "smart meter" project is a dumb idea before health issues are reviewed, dispatched another letter asking the state Public Utilities Commission to suspend the program.

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Since: Feb 08

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#42
Oct 31, 2010
 
West Marin Native wrote:
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Again: Sorry Puipaca.
You're demonstrated "knowledge" is equivalent to the Energy Distribution 101 class at the local junior college. Furthermore, your premise is based on the idea that "the grid" shouldn't have some facility to interact with and - at the ratepayer's request - control some facet of the energy "behind the meter". You're old-school days are showing. The future is here.
10-years ago I bet you also used to say you'd never read the newspaper on-line.
It is time to get on with it.
The new digital meters are not current or voltage limiting devices, and are not capable of switching or adjusting individual loads inside of a building.
In the expensive, slick propaganda sheet PG&E sent us with their letter of intent to install their new meter on my property, the claim that in the future, the grid operators hopefully will be able to control my appliances. That is a pipe dream, now and in future at my house.
The new meter is only and interface, and will never control anything by itself. It will relay commands from a central controller through the meter.
Only if a customer chooses to purchase new appliances and thermostats capable of being controlled will it be possible for any corporation from outside to control anything inside of private property. And only if the customer allows it, if I don't want external controls, I won't have them.
Power corporations have no right to control other peoples businesses.
For examples, they cannot say the the huge corporations that own shopping malls," you need to turn off your air conditioners on hot days," or say to Best Buy, "you people are watching too many TV's at once, turn them off during the day"
To most people, buying a house is the single biggest investment in their lives, much akin to starting a business.
PG&E can dream all they want to, and use fear and intimidation to attempt to sucker people like you into submission, but they are up against many legal challanges if they actually try and force it on anyone.
Actually, the power corporations are hoping that private property owners, managers and engineers will help make more efficient use of energy. And we already have been for many years. Building automation has been around for a long time, and technology is improving every day. It is really up to the consumers to expand conservation efforts, saving money and resources for us all.

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#43
Oct 31, 2010
 
Pulipaca, you are not writing to someone who will understand the conversation. West Marin Native has already come out here multiple times saying you have no right to that power you pay for in your use at home. West Marin Native is an eco neo-collectivist who is emotionally gripping to his\her erroneous ideology and is an apologist even for PG&E (hysterical irony) with dream notions. Your well thought out writings on reality will fall on deaf years with him\her.

West Marin Native will only blindly shout out that if you are resistant to his\her idea of "change" you must be anti-environment, and will not address the real conversation presented here.

Pearls before swine...

Since: Feb 08

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#44
Oct 31, 2010
 
MarinCitizen wrote:
Pulipaca, you are not writing to someone who will understand the conversation. West Marin Native has already come out here multiple times saying you have no right to that power you pay for in your use at home. West Marin Native is an eco neo-collectivist who is emotionally gripping to his\her erroneous ideology and is an apologist even for PG&E (hysterical irony) with dream notions. Your well thought out writings on reality will fall on deaf years with him\her.
West Marin Native will only blindly shout out that if you are resistant to his\her idea of "change" you must be anti-environment, and will not address the real conversation presented here.
Pearls before swine...
Thank you for the kind words.
It is obvious that West Marin Native is a non-electrician who has been blinded by the PG&E smoke screen.
We must all remember that PG&E is an investor owned utility corporation that is in the business of selling power, and that only a few years ago, filed for bankruptcy.
PG&E is not interested in promoting conservation, they want to sell as much power as possible, the mo the bettah.
PG&E's main concern is not having enough power to deliver, and not overloading their equipment that will fail when overheated.
If a critical part of their distribution system fails due to human error, overload, overheating, or storm damage it cuts off their revenue stream and brings heat on them from unhappy customers.
Right now, PG&E has canned the propaganda campaign about the new digital meters because some people have exposed them to be a fraud and possible danger, and some people don't like their ratepayers money going to false advertising campaigns either.
West Marin Native

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#45
Nov 1, 2010
 
MarinCitizen and Pulipaca still don't get it.

This isn't about politics, power over the people, propaganda or posturing.

Allowing some measure of end-user-controlled curtailment is ALREADY a mechanism employed by the utilities through services like www.Enernoc.com . Once more distributed generation, energy storage and electric cars hit the grid, we will see even more measures for locally-controlled dispatch and curtailment.

In the face of change, sticking ones head in the sand (or covering it with tin-foil) is not an option.

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#46
Nov 20, 2010
 
Pulipaca wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for the kind words.
It is obvious that West Marin Native is a non-electrician who has been blinded by the PG&E smoke screen.
We must all remember that PG&E is an investor owned utility corporation that is in the business of selling power, and that only a few years ago, filed for bankruptcy.
PG&E is not interested in promoting conservation, they want to sell as much power as possible, the mo the bettah.
PG&E's main concern is not having enough power to deliver, and not overloading their equipment that will fail when overheated.
If a critical part of their distribution system fails due to human error, overload, overheating, or storm damage it cuts off their revenue stream and brings heat on them from unhappy customers.
Right now, PG&E has canned the propaganda campaign about the new digital meters because some people have exposed them to be a fraud and possible danger, and some people don't like their ratepayers money going to false advertising campaigns either.
There have been recent developments, now since Deveraux was canned, PG&E is considering allowing people to keep their old meters or have new digital meters that are hard wired and send data over wires instead of RF.

“Light fuse, then get away!”

Since: Aug 08

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#47
Nov 21, 2010
 
So after all of those "We're going to shut You off" letters from Billy-Boy Deveraux, He got tossed in the rubish bin, eh?

I wonder if He'd take up an offer of a job splitting firewood for minimum wage?

Serves Him right, the arrogant bastard.

oh, I want My old meter back...NOW!

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Nex Carmichael

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#48
Nov 21, 2010
 
I got some fresh this summer cut eucalyptus he can split for minimum wage. Pretty tough new wood. Burns great though.

No disrespect but as a barnyard animal like Mr Goat you can not have your old meter back. There is a need to know issue here and gee I'm sorry Commander.
Nex carmichael

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#49
Nov 21, 2010
 
Hmmmm wrote:
The gates to my estate won't open anymore when I pull up to them in my Mercedes, is my Smart Meter interfering with the signal?
Yes. Try getting a BMW!
Nex carmichael

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#50
Nov 21, 2010
 
West Marin Native wrote:
MarinCitizen and Pulipaca still don't get it.
This isn't about politics, power over the people, propaganda or posturing.
Allowing some measure of end-user-controlled curtailment is ALREADY a mechanism employed by the utilities through services like www.Enernoc.com . Once more distributed generation, energy storage and electric cars hit the grid, we will see even more measures for locally-controlled dispatch and curtailment.
In the face of change, sticking ones head in the sand (or covering it with tin-foil) is not an option.
My tin foil hat with the big propeller works just fine thank you.
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#51
Nov 21, 2010
 
Pulipaca wrote:
In an area where I have a house, Wellington Energy came through 2 weeks ago...

Two of my neighbors have wooden enclosures around their meters that have been there for years, so the Wellington boy could not install new electric meters, and I told the boy that I did not want a new meter...
"Wellington boy”…can you be any more condescending?

Your repeated use of the word "boy" to describe the meter installer is extremely arrogant and unbecoming. Did you think if you did not use the word “boy” a second time, the reader would miss your patronizing reference?

We are all so impressed that you know the name of the firm who is contracted by PG&E to install the meters. How did you become so special?

You must be so proud of yourself.
Bob

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#52
Jun 2, 2011
 
Wow, this Pulipaca character sure is full of himself. What a tool.

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#53
Jun 2, 2011
 
Bob wrote:
Wow, this Pulipaca character sure is full of himself. What a tool.
Actually He's spot-on on this issue.

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Jun 2, 2011
 
Peter OBrien wrote:
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"Wellington boy”…can you be any more condescending?
Your repeated use of the word "boy" to describe the meter installer is extremely arrogant and unbecoming. Did you think if you did not use the word “boy” a second time, the reader would miss your patronizing reference?
We are all so impressed that you know the name of the firm who is contracted by PG&E to install the meters. How did you become so special?
You must be so proud of yourself.
99.999% of the Weliington installer kids were just that, kids.
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#55
Jun 2, 2011
 
West Marin Native wrote:
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Again: Sorry Puipaca.
You're demonstrated "knowledge" is equivalent to the Energy Distribution 101 class at the local junior college. Furthermore, your premise is based on the idea that "the grid" shouldn't have some facility to interact with and - at the ratepayer's request - control some facet of the energy "behind the meter". You're old-school days are showing. The future is here.
10-years ago I bet you also used to say you'd never read the newspaper on-line.
It is time to get on with it.
This is spot on. Pulipaca was owned by WMN.
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#56
Jun 2, 2011
 
Pulipaca wrote:
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It is obvious that West Marin Native is a non-electrician....
Geez, that hurts. He called him a non-electrician.

Who knew that one needed to become an electrician to be qualified to discuss this topic?

Pathetic tool.
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#57
Jun 2, 2011
 
I like how Pulipaca enlightened us by proclaiming that SMART meters are simply a billing device. Good strategy, when he got boxed into a corner, dumb down the conversation.

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