Get Smart: SmartMeters to roll out in Tehama County in 2011

PG&E spokesman Paul Moreno demonstrates how customers can track their energy usage online through the SmartMeter program, which will be rolled out in Tehama County in the coming year. Full Story
Join the club

Menlo Park, CA

#1 Jan 12, 2011
"PG&E has reached out to local government officials by offering presentations before meters were installed"

Just wait to see how deep PG&E can reach into your pockets placing high tech devices on a decaying delapitated obsolete power distribution system. 100 to 300 percent jump in electic usage should bankrupt businesses and household just like in has everywhere else they've been put in.

While your old meter wasn't impacted by inconsistent power and system backfeeds, these meters record everything so any electrical inconsisency (PG&E's system is built on it) and you get charged for the same power twice.
Tehama County Reader

Chico, CA

#2 Jan 12, 2011
Notice PG&E says nothing about reaching out the the people who are going to have the meters installed.

They do not want to have to face - we the rate payers - and answer our questions.
doodette

Redding, CA

#3 Jan 13, 2011
Didnt they break up the 'Ma Bell' monopoly at one time? When will they break up the PG&E monopoly and give PG&E some competition and us consumers a choice!!!

Since: Jun 10

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#4 Jan 13, 2011
smart meters have already increased peoples bills... yeah their smart alright.
Hoof Hearted

West Tehama County, CA

#5 Jan 13, 2011
I love the fear mongering here. A simple $20 device can measure exact usage on a particular plug. Go around your house and get an idea of what your total kW usage is and you can tell real quick if your meter is accurate or not. Old or new.
sanity

Redding, CA

#6 Jan 13, 2011
Please be aware that many people have reported that plants within 10 feet of the meter develop disease and distorted foliage.

Electricity is a necessity in our modern lives and should be a service, instead of being for profit with overpaid CEOs.

If we put up solar or wind, we are only credited for our own usage, not for the amount of energy we put into the system. Otherwise, there would be private solar and wind farms already.
craig

United States

#7 Jan 13, 2011
Are these smart meters going to be time of use meters, so that they charge you a higher price if you are using power during the peak hours? I belive that I read somewhere, that they will charge tier 3 prices if you are using power during the period of 1:00 pm and 7:00 pm. no matter what your actual power useage is.

“Spreading Truth Wordwide”

Since: Nov 09

God Bless The USA

#8 Jan 13, 2011
If you've ever considered going 'off grid' now is the time to do it. Utility companies are quickly deploying thousands of smart meters to homes each day--smart meters that experts say could easily be hacked.

The security weaknesses could potentially allow miscreants to snoop on customers and steal data, cut off power to buildings, and even cause widespread outages, according to a number of experts who have studied the meters and looked into smart-grid systems. A new paper out of the University of Cambridge highlights privacy concerns from smart meters, as well as security risks caused by linking home-area networks, of which smart meters are an initial piece, to utilities. From a hardware perspective, cell phones today are more secure than smart meters.

“Spreading Truth Wordwide”

Since: Nov 09

God Bless The USA

#9 Jan 13, 2011
Hoof Hearted wrote:
I love the fear mongering here. A simple $20 device can measure exact usage on a particular plug. Go around your house and get an idea of what your total kW usage is and you can tell real quick if your meter is accurate or not. Old or new.
I only wish it was simple fear mongering my friend but it is not. Own a computer? Use a wireless telephone? Have one of those new HD televisions that can connect to the internet? Every RF ID tag in your home can be scanned, read and data from it transmitted to who knows where. That so-called 'smart meter' is a complex device that can be controlled remotely to perform dozens of tasks silently and totally non-detectable to the poor customer who mistakenly allows one installed. Think big brother is watching? Guess what, he is!
Linda

Oroville, CA

#10 Jan 13, 2011
Yeah, they are Smart Meters, because PG & E has figured out how to charge all of us more money WITHOUT getting the PUC to approve their RATE 'RAISE.'
Join the club

Menlo Park, CA

#11 Jan 13, 2011
Before everyone starts pointing at PG&E complaints as being generated by a bunch of lunatics, there is more to it than someone's fantasy.

PG&E, The California Utilities Commission and the media all fail in letting people know that the smart meters record power differently than the old analog style meters. The old analog meters recorded power based on a formula of Voltage times Amperes to calculate watts (.83 amps x 120 volts = 100 watts). If the load and voltage remains consistent for ten hours, you have 1 Kilowatt.

Smart meters work differently. If you have resistive loads (toaster, incandescent light, electric stove, etc...), both the smart meter and analog meter will record roughly the same amount of energy consumed. However most homes have inductive loads which are devices that use coils such as power supplies (computer, TV, Radio) florescent lighting and motors (washer, dryer, refrigerator, etc...) and with the smart meter, a whole new element of consumption is introduced.

Instead of using the simple volts times amps, they calculate based upon Voltamps (VA). When the 60 cycle power to your home rises and falls, the energized coils within the inductive device releases stored energy back into the wiring. This reactive power causes the current to remain elevated while the voltage drops as part of the cycle. This raises VA values because voltage is out of sync with current which is used to calculate VA. If your TV uses 120 watts yet generates enough reactive current to create a 45 degree shift between voltage and amperage, the smart meter would read the VA of power consumed as 170 watts. Florescent lighting is even worse and it's the reason why PG&E uses incandescent lights for their demos instead of florescent lighting.

If you're interested
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_11...

Circuit breakers and home wiring have a certain amount of resistance. This also has (though very small) an effect of the VA value used to calculate consumption by the smart meter.

So instead of being billed for True Power, PG&E customers are being billed for Apparent Power by the smart meter.

Another issue is with PG&E's system itself. It's old and outdated, yet extremely sensitive power monitoring devices are being added to it. If you live in a newer neighborhood, chances are your smart meter power bill might be somewhat higher but the PG&E excuse line may tell you it's because you're using more power or your old meter was not accurate and you might buy into it. If you live in an older neighborhood, the smart meter may show your consumption has more than tripled and those excuses just don't fly.

In an older neighborhood, the power to your home is from the same overhead transformer as your neighbors. All of you also share the same electrical ground. Over time, corrosion and lack of maintenance causes for resistance to build up in the ground and if the resistance is higher than your home's wiring, electricity used by your neighbors can flow through your meter. Granted, it's not that widespread and the majority of electrical service is fine, however when you hear stories of people with thousand dollar light bills in the summer when they only use ceiling fans, they are probably subsidizing their neighbors 20 ton whole house air conditioner. The old analog meters would not have recorded this type of power back feed.

Newer building codes require electrical service to be grounded at the entry point so it's not an issue with newer construction.

I know I'm wasting my time because everyone loves PG&E, but everyone needs to realize that there are issues with these installations and it's pretty heartless to blow people off just because you were lucky enough have a better PG&E circuit. Remember, that could change at any time.
Bleekman

United States

#12 Jan 13, 2011
That just sucks! I never did trust PG&E. Remember the movie about Erin Brockavich played by Julia Roberts? What a terrible thing they did to those poor people.

Lies! Lies! Lies! BOO PG&E!

They want to squeeze every penny out of our pocket and control our thoughts by monitoring our lives with the snoopmeters! Just say no people, don't let get away with this, we have legal rights!
craig

United States

#13 Jan 13, 2011
Hey Join the Club, I will have to reread your post several times so that I can digest all the information that you put forth. It isn't that it is hard to read, but the hour is getting late. Thank you for all the information that you provided on this issue.
sanity

Redding, CA

#14 Jan 16, 2011
I am posting this link about cell towers, cell phones. The science is out and cell radiation is slowly killing us. How many of you have noticed increased weight and health problems since the towers went in? The smart meters will also use cell phone technology.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_its-offi...
HAHAHAHA

Paradise, CA

#15 Jan 16, 2011
sanity wrote:
I am posting this link about cell towers, cell phones. The science is out and cell radiation is slowly killing us. How many of you have noticed increased weight and health problems since the towers went in? The smart meters will also use cell phone technology.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_its-offi...
Your gonna blame people's fat-asses on cell phone towers? Thats a new one on me... Hear i thought it was all the horrible fastfood everyone eats... Way to prove me wrong mr scientist! Im coming McDonalds... Better have 30 big macs ready when i get there...
I'll start the lawsuit... we can be called "The Fatties Against Cell Towers!" Or "The F.A.C.T"
sanity

Redding, CA

#16 Jan 19, 2011
Sodas and lack of exercise and our unnatural lifestyles are a big part of our weight gain. But allergies and health problems can cause tremendous weight gains without much food being eaten. I have met so many people who are getting fatter, and they are NOT eating more or poorly.
HAHAHAHA

Paradise, CA

#17 Jan 19, 2011
sanity wrote:
Sodas and lack of exercise and our unnatural lifestyles are a big part of our weight gain. But allergies and health problems can cause tremendous weight gains without much food being eaten. I have met so many people who are getting fatter, and they are NOT eating more or poorly.
I bet what they eat is genetically modified...
sanity

Redding, CA

#18 Jan 21, 2011
HAHAHAHA wrote:
<quoted text>I bet what they eat is genetically modified...
Actually, they eat organic.

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