Report: Many retired LIRR employees g...

Report: Many retired LIRR employees get disability

There are 153 comments on the Newsday story from Sep 21, 2008, titled Report: Many retired LIRR employees get disability. In it, Newsday reports that:

The New York Times analyzed data from the U.S. Railroad Retirement Board, the federal agency that reviews disability claims and decides whether to approve them.

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voracious reader

Deer Park, NY

#1 Sep 21, 2008
Yep! Speaking about "Watch the Gap," could someone tell me where the checks and balances is and why no one noticed the "Gap"?

I'm wondering how this these thiefs were uncovered? Did a New York Times reporter, on their day off, tried to get on the Sunken Meadow golf course but couldn't because all the "disabled" LIRR workers were ahead of them?

Time for another Cuomo investigation. Better start building more prisons to house those LIRR employees, their union leaders and the Wall Street investment bankers. Whew--- boy are my taxes going to go up, up and away because of those prisons!
John Pryce

United States

#2 Sep 21, 2008
I'm dropping out of college and applying for a job with the LIRR on Monday

“Wait til next year”

Since: Dec 06

Brooklyn NY USA

#3 Sep 21, 2008
Is anyone surprised? Teachers, cops, gov't workers (oxymoron - I know!)- all suckling at the public teat.
Truth Teller

Glen Cove, NY

#4 Sep 21, 2008
Much as I like to bash anything and anyone connected to the LIRR, including the mindless drones who can't lift their feet over a 6 inch space, there just isn't enough to go on with this article.

Congratulations Newsday, you've taken minimalist reporting to new lows in nonsense.

Although, I do have to say....Where's the love for the LIRR ticket workers?

Listen kids, if you think it's easy punching holes in paper while simultaneously ignoring everything that goes on around you for 20 years, it's not. These poor folks retire only to find out months later after 20 years of "hard work" that their hands are too arthritic to hold a golf club and their brains atrophied from decades of lack of use.

Isn't that worth a disability claim?
John Pryce

United States

#5 Sep 21, 2008
the actual article is from the NYTimes, read this, then defend them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21...
Truth Teller

Glen Cove, NY

#6 Sep 21, 2008
John Pryce wrote:
the actual article is from the NYTimes, read this, then defend them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21...
As always, there is no defense for the hapless LIRR. Every year we hear about budget defecits running in the hundreds of millions and lo and behold, how much are these greedy retirees taking in each year in disability? A quarter of a billion freaking dollars.

Beautiful.

Every one of these able bodied scam artists should immediately be sued for recovery of all their ill gotten money, and put to work for the next ten years...

...cleaning the subway systems public bathrooms.
Bobby

San Jose, CA

#7 Sep 21, 2008
Keep up the good work Newsday in writing about the LIRR. I would love to know how they justify paying those guys and women that punch tickets
32 dollars an hour. That is insane!!
64,000 dollars a year!!!
Also, the way they hire these people is another thing that should be looked at as they hire their friends
and family members as there is no test given to apply for the job.Every night I am on the train and I see those people who "work" on the railroad punch people's tickets and then go sit down and B.S. with their fellow worker. I'd love to know a better job than that. No heavy lifting, no stress unless you want to call punching holes in pieces of paper stressfull, no breathing in toxic chemicals like some workers are exposed to and no boss on your back all day long like millions of other people and probably a few more things that I forgot to list. It is absolutely disgusting of the unfairness in life to see some people
being overpaid and then scamming the system even more for disability to get even more money. 200,000 dollars
to drive the train? Then they raise the railroad prices for the average
person while every LIRR worker gets to ride for free. Also, whenever there
is somebody injured or killed in one of those gap incidents the LIRR always blames the victim. They are more corupt over there than anybody in politics. How about when they have the playoffs at Shea Stadium and they never have any extra trains running. They make people on the train wait a half hour for the crowd leaving Shea Stadium or those tennis matches to get on the train not caring about everybody else on the train while dozens of LIRR workers are standing on the platform telling people to get
on the train and other standing around doing nothing. They also did this at both Billy Joel concerts at
Shea this year keeping people on the
train waiting for a half hour.
If there is more wastefull spending anywhere else than the LIRR I'd love to know. THANK YOU NEWSDAY for bringing this to people's attention.
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#8 Sep 21, 2008
Bobby wrote:
Keep up the good work Newsday in writing about the LIRR. I would love to know how they justify paying those guys and women that punch tickets
32 dollars an hour. That is insane!!
64,000 dollars a year!!!
Also, the way they hire these people is another thing that should be looked at as they hire their friends
and family members as there is no test given to apply for the job.Every night I am on the train and I see those people who "work" on the railroad punch people's tickets and then go sit down and B.S. with their fellow worker. I'd love to know a better job than that. No heavy lifting, no stress unless you want to call punching holes in pieces of paper stressfull, no breathing in toxic chemicals like some workers are exposed to and no boss on your back all day long like millions of other people and probably a few more things that I forgot to list. It is absolutely disgusting of the unfairness in life to see some people
being overpaid and then scamming the system even more for disability to get even more money. 200,000 dollars
to drive the train? Then they raise the railroad prices for the average
person while every LIRR worker gets to ride for free. Also, whenever there
is somebody injured or killed in one of those gap incidents the LIRR always blames the victim. They are more corupt over there than anybody in politics. How about when they have the playoffs at Shea Stadium and they never have any extra trains running. They make people on the train wait a half hour for the crowd leaving Shea Stadium or those tennis matches to get on the train not caring about everybody else on the train while dozens of LIRR workers are standing on the platform telling people to get
on the train and other standing around doing nothing. They also did this at both Billy Joel concerts at
Shea this year keeping people on the
train waiting for a half hour.
If there is more wastefull spending anywhere else than the LIRR I'd love to know. THANK YOU NEWSDAY for bringing this to people's attention.
they actually do run extra trains for the mets and the concerts at shea. they usually hold them in great neck and then when the event is over they send them through. they do not make people wait every 30 min for a train from PW.
they do the opposite for trains to PW, they have them wait in west side and then when the game is over they send them to shea to continue onto PW.
during the playoffs you will see trains from penn that just go to shea.
if they had a train every 30 min it would take hours to get everyone home from shea, as it is now they can move everyone out within an hour.
the rest of your post is just ignorant.
yes, lets pay the engineers minimum wage, i hope you are on a train that collides with a freight train. then maybe you will realize how important the engineer is to your staying alive.
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#9 Sep 21, 2008
Bobby wrote:
Keep up the good work Newsday in writing about the LIRR. I would love to know how they justify paying those guys and women that punch tickets
32 dollars an hour. That is insane!!
64,000 dollars a year!!!
Also, the way they hire these people is another thing that should be looked at as they hire their friends
and family members as there is no test given to apply for the job.Every night I am on the train and I see those people who "work" on the railroad punch people's tickets and then go sit down and B.S. with their fellow worker. I'd love to know a better job than that. No heavy lifting, no stress unless you want to call punching holes in pieces of paper stressfull, no breathing in toxic chemicals like some workers are exposed to and no boss on your back all day long like millions of other people and probably a few more things that I forgot to list. It is absolutely disgusting of the unfairness in life to see some people
being overpaid and then scamming the system even more for disability to get even more money. 200,000 dollars
to drive the train? Then they raise the railroad prices for the average
person while every LIRR worker gets to ride for free. Also, whenever there
is somebody injured or killed in one of those gap incidents the LIRR always blames the victim. They are more corupt over there than anybody in politics. How about when they have the playoffs at Shea Stadium and they never have any extra trains running. They make people on the train wait a half hour for the crowd leaving Shea Stadium or those tennis matches to get on the train not caring about everybody else on the train while dozens of LIRR workers are standing on the platform telling people to get
on the train and other standing around doing nothing. They also did this at both Billy Joel concerts at
Shea this year keeping people on the
train waiting for a half hour.
If there is more wastefull spending anywhere else than the LIRR I'd love to know. THANK YOU NEWSDAY for bringing this to people's attention.
i had to take quite a few tests to get hires as an engineer
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#10 Sep 21, 2008
Bobby wrote:
Keep up the good work Newsday in writing about the LIRR. I would love to know how they justify paying those guys and women that punch tickets
32 dollars an hour. That is insane!!
64,000 dollars a year!!!
Also, the way they hire these people is another thing that should be looked at as they hire their friends
and family members as there is no test given to apply for the job.Every night I am on the train and I see those people who "work" on the railroad punch people's tickets and then go sit down and B.S. with their fellow worker. I'd love to know a better job than that. No heavy lifting, no stress unless you want to call punching holes in pieces of paper stressfull, no breathing in toxic chemicals like some workers are exposed to and no boss on your back all day long like millions of other people and probably a few more things that I forgot to list. It is absolutely disgusting of the unfairness in life to see some people
being overpaid and then scamming the system even more for disability to get even more money. 200,000 dollars
to drive the train? Then they raise the railroad prices for the average
person while every LIRR worker gets to ride for free. Also, whenever there
is somebody injured or killed in one of those gap incidents the LIRR always blames the victim. They are more corupt over there than anybody in politics. How about when they have the playoffs at Shea Stadium and they never have any extra trains running. They make people on the train wait a half hour for the crowd leaving Shea Stadium or those tennis matches to get on the train not caring about everybody else on the train while dozens of LIRR workers are standing on the platform telling people to get
on the train and other standing around doing nothing. They also did this at both Billy Joel concerts at
Shea this year keeping people on the
train waiting for a half hour.
If there is more wastefull spending anywhere else than the LIRR I'd love to know. THANK YOU NEWSDAY for bringing this to people's attention.
what are they supposed to do? send the trains out of shea half empty while everyone is running down the stairs to try and get on? are you retarded?
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#11 Sep 21, 2008
Bobby wrote:
Keep up the good work Newsday in writing about the LIRR. I would love to know how they justify paying those guys and women that punch tickets
32 dollars an hour. That is insane!!
64,000 dollars a year!!!
Also, the way they hire these people is another thing that should be looked at as they hire their friends
and family members as there is no test given to apply for the job.Every night I am on the train and I see those people who "work" on the railroad punch people's tickets and then go sit down and B.S. with their fellow worker. I'd love to know a better job than that. No heavy lifting, no stress unless you want to call punching holes in pieces of paper stressfull, no breathing in toxic chemicals like some workers are exposed to and no boss on your back all day long like millions of other people and probably a few more things that I forgot to list. It is absolutely disgusting of the unfairness in life to see some people
being overpaid and then scamming the system even more for disability to get even more money. 200,000 dollars
to drive the train? Then they raise the railroad prices for the average
person while every LIRR worker gets to ride for free. Also, whenever there
is somebody injured or killed in one of those gap incidents the LIRR always blames the victim. They are more corupt over there than anybody in politics. How about when they have the playoffs at Shea Stadium and they never have any extra trains running. They make people on the train wait a half hour for the crowd leaving Shea Stadium or those tennis matches to get on the train not caring about everybody else on the train while dozens of LIRR workers are standing on the platform telling people to get
on the train and other standing around doing nothing. They also did this at both Billy Joel concerts at
Shea this year keeping people on the
train waiting for a half hour.
If there is more wastefull spending anywhere else than the LIRR I'd love to know. THANK YOU NEWSDAY for bringing this to people's attention.
it is a bit stressfull dealing with dimwitted passengers as yourself, your probably the guy screaming at the poor woman conductor when the trains slows down even slightly.
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#12 Sep 21, 2008
Bobby wrote:
Keep up the good work Newsday in writing about the LIRR. I would love to know how they justify paying those guys and women that punch tickets
32 dollars an hour. That is insane!!
64,000 dollars a year!!!
Also, the way they hire these people is another thing that should be looked at as they hire their friends
and family members as there is no test given to apply for the job.Every night I am on the train and I see those people who "work" on the railroad punch people's tickets and then go sit down and B.S. with their fellow worker. I'd love to know a better job than that. No heavy lifting, no stress unless you want to call punching holes in pieces of paper stressfull, no breathing in toxic chemicals like some workers are exposed to and no boss on your back all day long like millions of other people and probably a few more things that I forgot to list. It is absolutely disgusting of the unfairness in life to see some people
being overpaid and then scamming the system even more for disability to get even more money. 200,000 dollars
to drive the train? Then they raise the railroad prices for the average
person while every LIRR worker gets to ride for free. Also, whenever there
is somebody injured or killed in one of those gap incidents the LIRR always blames the victim. They are more corupt over there than anybody in politics. How about when they have the playoffs at Shea Stadium and they never have any extra trains running. They make people on the train wait a half hour for the crowd leaving Shea Stadium or those tennis matches to get on the train not caring about everybody else on the train while dozens of LIRR workers are standing on the platform telling people to get
on the train and other standing around doing nothing. They also did this at both Billy Joel concerts at
Shea this year keeping people on the
train waiting for a half hour.
If there is more wastefull spending anywhere else than the LIRR I'd love to know. THANK YOU NEWSDAY for bringing this to people's attention.
so they should charge the conductors to be on the train they are working? yeah. that makes sense.
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#13 Sep 21, 2008
Bobby wrote:
Keep up the good work Newsday in writing about the LIRR. I would love to know how they justify paying those guys and women that punch tickets
32 dollars an hour. That is insane!!
64,000 dollars a year!!!
Also, the way they hire these people is another thing that should be looked at as they hire their friends
and family members as there is no test given to apply for the job.Every night I am on the train and I see those people who "work" on the railroad punch people's tickets and then go sit down and B.S. with their fellow worker. I'd love to know a better job than that. No heavy lifting, no stress unless you want to call punching holes in pieces of paper stressfull, no breathing in toxic chemicals like some workers are exposed to and no boss on your back all day long like millions of other people and probably a few more things that I forgot to list. It is absolutely disgusting of the unfairness in life to see some people
being overpaid and then scamming the system even more for disability to get even more money. 200,000 dollars
to drive the train? Then they raise the railroad prices for the average
person while every LIRR worker gets to ride for free. Also, whenever there
is somebody injured or killed in one of those gap incidents the LIRR always blames the victim. They are more corupt over there than anybody in politics. How about when they have the playoffs at Shea Stadium and they never have any extra trains running. They make people on the train wait a half hour for the crowd leaving Shea Stadium or those tennis matches to get on the train not caring about everybody else on the train while dozens of LIRR workers are standing on the platform telling people to get
on the train and other standing around doing nothing. They also did this at both Billy Joel concerts at
Shea this year keeping people on the
train waiting for a half hour.
If there is more wastefull spending anywhere else than the LIRR I'd love to know. THANK YOU NEWSDAY for bringing this to people's attention.
if its a gold mine of a job why don't you start sending in your resume?
http://www.lirr.org/mta/employment/employment...
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#14 Sep 21, 2008
Job Title:
Long Island Rail Road Job
Location:
LIRR
Reference:
080242
Job Information
Title: Locomotive Engineer
Department: Transportation
Post Date: 09/08/08
Close Date: 09/26/08
100% Rate of Pay:$35.189* per hour
Position Classification: Safety Sensitive
Location: Various
Reports To: Road Foremen
Union Affiliation: Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen (BLET)
Summary
The MTA Long Island Rail Road is the busiest commuter railroad in North America, carrying an average of 288,000 customers each weekday on 728 daily trains. Chartered on April 24, 1834, it is also the oldest railroad still operating under its original name. A subsidiary of New York States Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the LIRR system is comprised of over 700 miles of track on eleven different branches, stretching from Montauk ¿ on the eastern tip of Long Island to Penn Station, in the heart of Manhattan, approximately 120 miles away. Along the way, the LIRR serves 124 stations in Nassau, Suffolk, Queens, Brooklyn and Manhattan, providing service for approximately 82 million customers each year. The LIRR offers excellent job opportunities in an exciting, challenging, and diverse environment.
This position is responsible to operate LIRR trains ensuring the safe passage of all customers.
Responsibilities
Responsibilities include but are not limited to:
° Responsible for the safe and efficient movement of trains.
° Perform ground and on-board inspections that include train control apparatus tests, brake tests and other appropriate engine tests.
° Monitor cab signals and respond to signal alarms; monitor radio for information and instructions from train crews or Rail Traffic Controllers; transmit messages via radio; and respond to unusual conditions such as broken rail, defective third rail, fouled track, fire on board.
° Troubleshoot all equipment and perform safety checks and tests before starting trips.
° Maintain customer safety and comfort at all times.
° Work effectively with all team members, especially train crews.
° Instruct and supervise Locomotive Engineer Trainees upon request /as assigned.
Qualifications
° Must demonstrate high motivation and initiative.
° A four-year high school diploma or its educational equivalent (GED) approved by a States Department of Education or recognized accredited organization.
° Must have a minimum of two years of satisfactory full-time work experience.
° Must possess good customer service and communication skills.
° Must have manual dexterity to operate train controls.
° Must be able to read and understand operating and safety rules.
° Must be able to exercise independent judgment.
° Must be able to analyze problems and be able to take corrective actions as appropriate.
° Must be able to recognize and distinguish the colors of signals.
° Must be able to climb on and off equipment.
° Must be able to focus and adapt to rapidly changing conditions.
Preferred/Desirable Skills/Qualifications:
° College degree or some college credits.
° Supervisory or leadership experience.
° Demonstrated mechanical/electrical background.
° For current LIRR employees: Successful completion of LIRRs Introduction to Operations Rules & Procedures Training Class (Basic Skills).
Other Information
° Must be available to work at all locations throughout the system, 24 hours a day, 7 days per week.
° Must pass initial qualification exams as well as periodic exams on, but not limited to, the Rules of the Operating Department, Timetable, Special Instructions and Physical Characteristics of the entire LIRR and Zone A (Amtrack Penn Station), air brake instructions and all equipment including Multiple Unit (Electric Trains), Diesel (Freight and Passenger) and Dual Mode (Diesel/Electric locomotives).
Training Programs:
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#15 Sep 21, 2008
phase 1 Training Program (Pre-Employment): This program consists of a minimum of six (6) weeks of non-compensated training and includes quizzes and examinations that must be passed in order to move on to the next phase of training. Class days and times will be determined, in part, based on availability of class participants and instructors.(Note: For the duration of the Phase 1 Training Program, current LIRR employees who participate will remain in their current LIRR position and must attend classes on their own time and NOT on Company time.)
Phase 2 Training Program (Post-Employment): Employment with the Long Island Rail Road as a Locomotive Engineer Trainee (LET) will begin after the successful completion of the Phase 1 Training Program, a satisfactory background investigation, and a medical examination. The LET training consists of a minimum of twelve (12) months, and includes, but is not limited to, qualifying examinations on the operating rules, physical characteristics of the LIRR Transportation Department, air brake and train handling. Upon successful of the Phase 2 Training Program, the LET will be promoted to Locomotive Engineer. Failure to obtain a passing grade on the mandatory exams during Phase 2 Training will result in termination as a Locomotive Engineer Trainee.
Note: Trainees will be evaluated throughout the training program. Pre-established expectations and standards must be met in order to continue in order to continue as an LET.
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#18 Sep 21, 2008
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah that's funny 32 dollars an hour to punch pieces of paper and that is not enough money for them.
Without overtime they make about 68,000 dollars a year.
With overtime they can make close to
one hundred thousand dollars a year again to punch pieces of paper and then they go sit down. Anyone doubting this should watch exactly what they do after they punch those tickets as they b.s. with each other. As for driving the train how is 200 grand a year justified for doing that
or even 100 grand a year. I don't see any LIRR workers
posting anything about the
allegations of the disability claims as saying they are untrue as what is being claimed. I WONDER WHY. I'll never forget the Transit strike a few years ago and how the LIRR did not run
any extra trains stranding thousands of people at stations as they passed us by. How did I know they did not run any extra trains? I saw them all and counted how many past us and it was the same as a regular schedule even though they were picking up many more people. They do the same thing at every major event at Shea be it the playoffs or concerts or tennis matches in the fact that they do not run any extra trains from Manhattan out to Port Washington. Anybody doubting this should check this out
for yourself and you will see.
another ignorant post, they most certainly do run extra trains for shea and other large events. how do i know? i have personally operated said trains. they have us wait in great neck until the game is over then they send us west to pick up the fans just getting to the platform, we are not one of the regular trains from port washington.
any other mis-information you would like to spread that i can de-bunk?
Freddy

San Jose, CA

#19 Sep 21, 2008
When I take the train from Penn Station after any "major" event at
Shea Stadium be it concerts, playoff games that the Mets were in or any other event everybody who got on the train before the Shea Stadium stop is stuck at the Shea Stadium stop for at least 25 minutes and sometimes it has been even longer. I am talking about the train going to Port Washington. I don't know anything about the trains headed to Penn Station from Shea Stadium that originated form Port
Washington.
For people who get on at Penn Station how can you say the LIRR
runs extra trains when they don't?
It is just not right that people have to be treated this way waiting for thousands of people to get on the train after we have been on the train already from Penn Station and now we have to be stuck at a stop for 25 minutes or more. I am not lying about this. I wish other people would verify this and post as they all know what I am talking about and they are annoyed by this situation also as they say "what is taking so long and why don't they have other trains picking up all these people instead of making us who got on at earlier stops wait". This usually happens after 11pm. That is total incompetance.
LIRR Engineer

Bronx, NY

#20 Sep 21, 2008
Freddy wrote:
When I take the train from Penn Station after any "major" event at
Shea Stadium be it concerts, playoff games that the Mets were in or any other event everybody who got on the train before the Shea Stadium stop is stuck at the Shea Stadium stop for at least 25 minutes and sometimes it has been even longer. I am talking about the train going to Port Washington. I don't know anything about the trains headed to Penn Station from Shea Stadium that originated form Port
Washington.
For people who get on at Penn Station how can you say the LIRR
runs extra trains when they don't?
It is just not right that people have to be treated this way waiting for thousands of people to get on the train after we have been on the train already from Penn Station and now we have to be stuck at a stop for 25 minutes or more. I am not lying about this. I wish other people would verify this and post as they all know what I am talking about and they are annoyed by this situation also as they say "what is taking so long and why don't they have other trains picking up all these people instead of making us who got on at earlier stops wait". This usually happens after 11pm. That is total incompetance.
the extra trains that run east to port wash do not operate as passenger trains until they get to shea, when they leave penn they leave empty, they are not posted on any departure board. the regular riders can take the reg trains.
the idea is to have an empty eastbound train arrive at shea so that it can handle as many shea customers as possible.
no train ever waits 25 min at shea, that is just a lie. 5 min can seem like an eternity just sitting still.
taxpayer

New York, NY

#21 Sep 22, 2008
Truth Teller wrote:
Much as I like to bash anything and anyone connected to the LIRR, including the mindless drones who can't lift their feet over a 6 inch space, there just isn't enough to go on with this article.
Congratulations Newsday, you've taken minimalist reporting to new lows in nonsense.
Although, I do have to say....Where's the love for the LIRR ticket workers?
Listen kids, if you think it's easy punching holes in paper while simultaneously ignoring everything that goes on around you for 20 years, it's not. These poor folks retire only to find out months later after 20 years of "hard work" that their hands are too arthritic to hold a golf club and their brains atrophied from decades of lack of use.
Isn't that worth a disability claim?
Not enough info then see this;

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21...
Jeri Speaks

Edison, NJ

#22 Sep 22, 2008
Truth Teller wrote:
Much as I like to bash anything and anyone connected to the LIRR, including the mindless drones who can't lift their feet over a 6 inch space, there just isn't enough to go on with this article.
Congratulations Newsday, you've taken minimalist reporting to new lows in nonsense.
Although, I do have to say....Where's the love for the LIRR ticket workers?
Listen kids, if you think it's easy punching holes in paper while simultaneously ignoring everything that goes on around you for 20 years, it's not. These poor folks retire only to find out months later after 20 years of "hard work" that their hands are too arthritic to hold a golf club and their brains atrophied from decades of lack of use.
Isn't that worth a disability claim?
I have to add a few;
Waking drooling passengers up at Jamaica - that takes a toll. All the money spent out of pocket for hand-wipes; evesdropping on those cell phone calls..pick me up at 7:20p-train's late, forgot to buy toilet paper-please get some before I get home-there are coupons in the kitchen, my date? he was gross; the market-oh, I have alot of money invested-as much money as I'd like everyone around me in this car to hear.
........it takes its toll.

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