Water is real highway

Water is real highway

There are 9 comments on the Long Beach Press-Telegram story from Feb 23, 2009, titled Water is real highway. In it, Long Beach Press-Telegram reports that:

An idea that dates to Lewis and Clark's trek west is experiencing a rebirth because of the truck traffic that increasingly chokes highways: Shift more of the nation's freight burden to boats that can traverse ...

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joecairo

Irvine, CA

#1 Feb 23, 2009
Join this article in the P-T to the other one today about high speed rail and you have a more complete picture on the benefits of each.

Both rail and water transportation need to be looked at carefully in light of infrastructure expenditures and greenhouse emissions.

We NEED a holistic approach to creating better options for the future.
Ruth Edison

Surfside, CA

#2 Feb 23, 2009
If it will place additional hardship and render citizens hopeless, our Sacramento politicians will re direct our rivers to dump into the Ocean.
joecairo

Irvine, CA

#3 Feb 23, 2009
Ruth: You make no sense. Where do the rivers end up now?

How will citizens be "rendered hopeless"? Where's the hardship.

“Pet me or I'll bite you”

Since: Jul 07

Richardson, Texas

#4 Feb 23, 2009
I've often thought of the idea that if not a pipeline, a long term at least 15 foot wide and deep water way by pipeline or levy and lock, equalization between flood relief and drought pump would be a hundred year worthy expense.

Or we could use Obama's billion dollars toward global warming argument against 11 year cooling or STD research to use up the money.

Think about a grid of water. Pump out an area before a flood and give to a drought area.

Got drought? Negotiate a price for your water reservoir.

I know, this is pie in the sky because the Messiah has landed and cancelled welfare limits.

Well done, socialist.
joecairo

Irvine, CA

#5 Feb 24, 2009
Glad to see that Sagebrush, Texas still hasn't gotten over being drubbed in the last election. MjayM, still sniffeling over his defeat, uses the word "socialist" but hasn't got a clue as to what the definition is.

He merely repeats, on cue, what others have said. It's called "dog whistle" politics. Rush blows the whistle that only the dwindling Republican base can hear and they bark right up with the same ol' response.

Pavlovian.
bob samuels

Surfside, CA

#6 Feb 24, 2009
joecairo wrote:
Glad to see that Sagebrush, Texas still hasn't gotten over being drubbed in the last election. MjayM, still sniffeling over his defeat, uses the word "socialist" but hasn't got a clue as to what the definition is.
He merely repeats, on cue, what others have said. It's called "dog whistle" politics. Rush blows the whistle that only the dwindling Republican base can hear and they bark right up with the same ol' response.
Pavlovian.
Listening to citizens who live in well managed, proud American States like Texas opine is funny to those who live in the pathetic remanents of once proud California.

It didn't take any "rascally repubs" to decimate the Golden State......the most destructive, irresponsible State Legislature in America is overwhelmingly Democrat. Not American Democrat with standards and core values, but the vile Zombies who are the "California" version of Democrat.
joecairo

Irvine, CA

#7 Feb 24, 2009
bob samuels wrote:
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Listening to citizens who live in well managed, proud American States like Texas opine is funny to those who live in the pathetic remanents of once proud California.
It didn't take any "rascally repubs" to decimate the Golden State......the most destructive, irresponsible State Legislature in America is overwhelmingly Democrat. Not American Democrat with standards and core values, but the vile Zombies who are the "California" version of Democrat.
He's right, It IS funny. I dare say that I am always amused when the semi-literate from the hinterlands chime in using terms they have scant comprehension of.

I would also think that few states exude the pride they once had in their economic engines, California being not an exception, nor the rule.

I do appreciate that "American Democrats" can be appreciated for core values and high standards. Whether there is a distinction between State ideologies and those at the national level is a hair I'm unprepared to split.

Obviously, there are hard feelings felt by Bob Samuels who must regret each day he spends in SoCal.

Texas beckons, Bob. It's only a U-Haul away.
Joshua Skolnick

Twin Lakes, WI

#8 Feb 24, 2009
There is a major cost to freshwater shipping in the Mississippi and Great Lakes basin that is ignored in the article, which is invasive species brought in from other areas of the world in the ballast water of ships originating in other freshwater ports such as the Baltic or the Crimea. Zebra and quagga mussels, as well as several species of fish including sea lampreys have decimated the Great Lakes ecosystem having arrived here as a result of shipping, and the costs of these organisms have outweighed the economic benefit of the shipping. According to the article, the fuel savings and pollution savings of shipping in fresh water systems is not that great relative to rail shipping, and may not be worth it in light of the invasive species problem. Unless the shipping industry can guarantee "clean" disinfected ships, we would probably be better off offloading the cargoes at sea ports and shipping them within the country by rail.

“Pet me or I'll bite you”

Since: Jul 07

Richardson, Texas

#9 Feb 24, 2009
joecairo wrote:
Glad to see that Sagebrush, Texas still hasn't gotten over being drubbed in the last election. MjayM, still sniffeling over his defeat, uses the word "socialist" but hasn't got a clue as to what the definition is.
He merely repeats, on cue, what others have said. It's called "dog whistle" politics. Rush blows the whistle that only the dwindling Republican base can hear and they bark right up with the same ol' response.
Pavlovian.
That's a foolish position for you to take.

Buying bank shares, changing the actual equities from preferred to common in a move to raise the perceived price and then acting to buy majority interest in Citi group and BofA and your saying that's not a move toward socialism?

Who's controlling the medium of exchange? I what direction are we heading?

You may not like it, but it's failed repeatedly in history and here is Obama trying it with my money.

You're damn right I'm going to accuse him of being a socialist!

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