Tobacco cos. make payments under state settlement

Apr 16, 2012 Full story: WTOP-FM Washington 7

The nation's top cigarette companies have made their payments as part of the 25-year settlement in which some cigarette makers are paying states for smoking-related health care costs.

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jon

Eatontown, NJ

#1 Apr 18, 2012
health costs? so the answer is blame cigarette companies for rising health care costs and taxes? who raises taxes, pays taxes and who promotes jobs? am i missing something? doesn't make sense. australia's government says cigarettes are the only product that kills, so their answer is abolishing company logos. huh? revenues? self interests somewhere with other companies?
Pharma Maims Kills

Winnipeg, Canada

#2 Apr 18, 2012
jon wrote:
health costs? so the answer is blame cigarette companies for rising health care costs and taxes? who raises taxes, pays taxes and who promotes jobs? am i missing something? doesn't make sense. australia's government says cigarettes are the only product that kills, so their answer is abolishing company logos. huh? revenues? self interests somewhere with other companies?
You are right. The pharma industry maims and kills millions, but you don't hear about them and healthcare costs.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#3 Apr 19, 2012
This has nothing to do with "rising health care costs". The money is essentially "reimbursement" for those states' tobacco-related health-care expenditures during prior decades. You know, during the time when the tobacco companies were both defrauding everyone regarding the health impact of smoking.

The industry's own papers showed that they knew and lied, and that they suppressed publication of research that made it clear to their own satisfaction that smoking was causing a huge amount of sickness.
Smell Like An Ashtray

Winnipeg, Canada

#4 Apr 22, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
This has nothing to do with "rising health care costs". The money is essentially "reimbursement" for those states' tobacco-related health-care expenditures during prior decades. You know, during the time when the tobacco companies were both defrauding everyone regarding the health impact of smoking.
The industry's own papers showed that they knew and lied, and that they suppressed publication of research that made it clear to their own satisfaction that smoking was causing a huge amount of sickness.
No doubt. Government does the same for Pharma, turning a blind eye to crimes against humanity. Vioxx kills 88,000 and injures 169,000 but no criminal prosecution. A black man driving a get away car will spend the rest of his life in prison if his accompliss kills a store owner.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#5 Apr 22, 2012
Providing more evidence of just how little the folks in Winnipeg care about rationality when they want to pretend there is an analogy somewhere.
BLACK LUNG

Winnipeg, Canada

#6 Apr 23, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
Providing more evidence of just how little the folks in Winnipeg care about rationality when they want to pretend there is an analogy somewhere.
If you think theres none then your short sighted.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#7 Apr 23, 2012
BLACK LUNG wrote:
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If you think theres none then your short sighted.
Sure there are some. There just aren't any in what I responded to. Consider:

What is the main purpose of Vioxx? Treatment of disease.

What is the main purpose of tobacco products? Creation of addicts to ensure a high-profit customer base.

Why is Vioxx no longer on the market? Because MERCK voluntarily pulled it when studies showed a link to increased risk of heart attack and stroke.

Why are tobacco products no longer on the market?--Oh, wait, they still ARE--even though the tobacco companies have known for over half a century of the link between the products and heart attack, stroke, and lung cancer, to name a few.

How did Vioxx achieve a customer base? DOCTORS prescribed it, after subjecting patients to a wide range of questions to ascertain that it was a proper selection for the individual patient--going by the best information at hand.

How did tobacco products achieve a customer base? The companies used marketing techniques developed through decades of research and with decades' worth of input from the best PR people money could buy on how best to manipulate children into using those products in order to addict them.

Somehow, the similarity between the two situations eludes me.

But, then maybe you were defending the analogy that equated Vioxx to a black guy driving a getaway car for a crime in which murder is committed.

Again, what is the purpose of Vioxx? Promoting health.

What is the purpose of the crime in which the driver is involved?

We are provided no answer to that, but the fact that the getaway driver is needed and that the crime includes murder suggest that there is nothing so philanthropic in the nature of the crime.

Again, I see no valid analogy.

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