Gov't and big tobacco in dispute over...

Gov't and big tobacco in dispute over proposed ads

There are 10 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Feb 24, 2011, titled Gov't and big tobacco in dispute over proposed ads. In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

The Justice Department wants the largest cigarette manufacturers to admit that they lied to the public about the dangers of smoking, forcing the industry to set up and pay for an advertising campaign of self-criticism for past behavior.

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Carol2010

Madison, WI

#1 Feb 25, 2011
The tobacco industry was taken over by the anti-smokers long ago and the whole "fight" is a charade. The proof is that they NEVER attack the anti-smokers' scientific fraud. The conspirators knew that they couldn't just take over the tobacco companies and shut them down, because others would simply enter the field. So, they created and built up enemies to poison the field with lies, particularly the Cancer Society.

http://www.smokershistory.com/power.htm

In the Minnesota tobacco trial, Murray Garnick was personally responsible for letting the anti-smokers falsely blame smoking for ulcers that are really caused by Helicobacter pylori. This perjury was used to trump up the phony "costs" of smoking. And the perjuror, Jonathan Samet, is now the head of the FDA Committee on Tobacco.

http://www.smokershistory.com/heliquot.htm

The anti-smokers commit flagrant scientific fraud by ignoring more than 50 studies which show that human papillomaviruses cause at least 1/4 of non-small cell lung cancers. Smokers and passive smokers are more likely to have been exposed to this virus for socioeconomic reasons. And the anti-smokers' studies are all based on lifestyle questionnaires, so they're cynically DESIGNED to blame tobacco for all those extra lung cancers that are really caused by HPV. And they commit the same type of fraud with every disease they blame on tobacco.

http://www.smokershistory.com/hpvlungc.htm
http://www.smokershistory.com/SGHDlies.html

For the government to commit fraud to deprive us of our liberties is automatically a violation of our Constitutional rights to the equal protection of the laws, just as much as if it purposely threw innocent people in prison. And for the government to spread lies about phony smoking dangers is terrorism, no different from calling in phony bomb threats.
Sounds like the same Govt

Clarksville, MD

#2 Feb 25, 2011
Carol2010

Madison, WI

#3 Feb 25, 2011
The tobacco industry was taken over by the anti-smokers long ago and the whole "fight" is a charade. The proof is that they NEVER attack the anti-smokers' scientific fraud. The conspirators knew that they couldn't just take over the tobacco companies and shut them down, because others would simply enter the field. So, they created and built up enemies to poison the field with lies, particularly the Cancer Society.

http://www.smokershistory.com/power.htm

In the Minnesota tobacco trial, Murray Garnick was personally responsible for letting the anti-smokers falsely blame smoking for ulcers that are really caused by Helicobacter pylori. This perjury was used to trump up the phony "costs" of smoking. And the perjuror, Jonathan Samet, is now the head of the FDA Committee on Tobacco.

http://www.smokershistory.com/heliquot.htm
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#4 Feb 27, 2011
Oh, yes, ulcers are the predominant portion of the damage credited to tobacco use.

HUH?

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Feb 27, 2011
Literally dozens of Reich-wing 'think tannks'(propaganda houses) have been writing fake research article and being paid $100's of MILLIONS to do PR.

I assume comment #3 is just one of the more amateurish attempts by a fool who is hooked on cigarettes.

Welcome to TobaccoWiki the online research project to which anyone can contribute. We need your help to mine the MILLIONS OF PAGES OF PREVIOUSLY-SECRET, INTERNAL TOBACCO INDUSTRY DOCUMENTS NOW POSTED ON THE INTERNET. The purpose of Tobaccowiki is to make it easier to find information about tobacco industry behavior, and to reveal what has been learned about the industry through its documents.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...
whomever

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Feb 27, 2011
More government hypocrisy. If they really wanted to go after the cigarette industry they'd ban the dang things rather than constantly raising the taxes.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#7 Mar 1, 2011
whomever wrote:
More government hypocrisy. If they really wanted to go after the cigarette industry they'd ban the dang things rather than constantly raising the taxes.
There is a HUGE problem with pandemic addiction to nicotine. Until that can be addressed, banning tobacco products (the only significant source of nicotine) is simply impractical, however desirable.

Tens of millions of addicts in withdrawals would create a major mess far beyond the impact on themselves. This would be true even if their numbers didn't include the majority of those with military training (smoking rate in the military, where the tobacco companies have had decades of government complicity in their efforts to hook a captive market, is about four times as high as in the overall population), but with that many people trained in violence and accustomed to having/using weapons suddenly running around with the berzerk mindset of a denied addict...

Well, let's just say it will be better to wait until the addiction can be dealt with on a significant level.
Not Obama

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Mar 1, 2011
PlacitasRoy wrote:
Literally dozens of Reich-wing 'think tannks'(propaganda houses) have been writing fake research article and being paid $100's of MILLIONS to do PR.
I assume comment #3 is just one of the more amateurish attempts by a fool who is hooked on cigarettes.
Welcome to TobaccoWiki the online research project to which anyone can contribute. We need your help to mine the MILLIONS OF PAGES OF PREVIOUSLY-SECRET, INTERNAL TOBACCO INDUSTRY DOCUMENTS NOW POSTED ON THE INTERNET. The purpose of Tobaccowiki is to make it easier to find information about tobacco industry behavior, and to reveal what has been learned about the industry through its documents.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...
"I assume comment #3 is just one of the more amateurish attempts by a fool who is hooked on cigarettes."

I, Barack Hussein Obama, did not make comment #3.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Mar 1, 2011
Damn pleased that the President had the determination to quit the cancer sticks. Want him around for a damn long time.

I'd love to see manufactured cigarettes outlawed.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#12 Mar 2, 2011
PlacitasRoy wrote:
Damn pleased that the President had the determination to quit the cancer sticks. Want him around for a damn long time.
I'd love to see manufactured cigarettes outlawed.
There are products on the market and on their way to the market indicating that the medical/pharmaceutical community is aiming at nicotine addiction instead of the symptoms of the addiction. Chantix and Zyban--while some studies show they have undesirable side-effects matched by many drugs marketed as sleeping aids, depression treatment, etc.--are/were a first wave.

This year we should learn whether NicVax passes muster with the FDA, and if it does next year should see it on the market. This will make three different approaches available to smokers who wish to quit by short-circuiting the addiction itself.

Each of the three is likely to be ineffective for most, but if there is not a complete overlap in the set of smokers for whom they are effective, the three should create a pretty big hole in the tobacco industry's captive market.

More, sooner or later one is going to come along that is deemed child-safe, and the industry will lose its ability to hook children before their decision-making centers have developed.

As this progresses, in tandem with regulatory steps supported by an increasing nonsmoking percentage of the populace, the tobacco industry will become less and less consequential and eventually disappear, with or without a legal death-knell.

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