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Apr 17, 2010
 
... would have no financial worries and now they ask for private donations. Why were the residents of Noama and Whitesville providing food during the week long wait after the blast? Massey Energy should have provided everything these families needed....

Comment? Fatal mining disaster not just tragic, but criminal |

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Massey Energy runs the Upper Big Branch (UBB) mine in Montcoal, W.Va., where 29 miners were killed last week.

The loss of life is tragic, but the UBB explosion is more than tragic; it is criminal. When ...

http://rabble.ca/columnists/2010/04/fatal-min...

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Apr 17, 2010
 
Did you know that umwa miners have a burial fund, a emergency releif fund, umwa built 8 hospitals, and numerous clinics nationwide had these men been union they would have had a life insurance policy paid for and provided by the umwa. Their wives would have had medical insurance for the rest of their life any children under age 18 would have had medical coverage until age 18. Plus these wives would have drawn a full miners pension for life. I wonder where a.t. massey will be just what will they do to help these families.
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Apr 18, 2010
 
If Massey didn't have those miners a burial plan that's criminal,it is in my state.By federal law these wives and children can draw social security,since it was an on the job accident,they qualify automatically.Children can draw until their 18 or graduate high school which ever comes first.Wives can draw widows benefits.Every ounce of help people offer these families,they will need it.It will be along time before these families get any court awarded money.
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Apr 18, 2010
 
Regardless of what massey promises these families, there's nothing legally binding them to their committment. If this mine would've been a union mine a legally binding UMWA contract would assure these families financial security. Each one of these widows would receive a full pension, them and their children would have hospitalization.And a umwa secured life insurance policy.What we desperatly need in the coal feilds of america is a resurgance of the union.Also all UMWA members are covered under a burial fund that would've paid for every funeral.
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Apr 18, 2010
 
My grandfather worked in the coal mines for 44 yrs. My father worked in the mines for 41 yrs. I worked in the mines for 29 yrs. My grandfather and my father suffered from blacklung, i also have a percentage of this dreaded occupational related desiese UMWA hospital cards have paid for each one of our medical bills. Where will these non-union out law mining companies be when your loved needs medical care? I can answer my own question, they will be on a cruise in the bahamas with a paid for supreme court justice who will soon be hearing your compensation case. Thousands of coal miners working and non working have been negatively affected by massey energy and their tactics.It's time to speak up guys stop listening to the lies of these outlaw non-union mining companies.
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Apr 18, 2010
 
Did you know, of the 18 coal mine fatalities in 2009, only 1 of those was a UMWA member.
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Apr 18, 2010
 
Unions can be good if someone is lucky enough to get one.Coal mining is in my background,my dad,grand dad,great grand dad,all my eight uncles on my mothers side.My mother's grand dad came from Holland to America to work in a mines,in a mining camp in Fonde,Ky.She told me her dad took her brothers to work in a mines when they were 10 years old.She said they didn't even have shoes,but they had pics and shovels.When you remember stories like this you realize how good we really have it now,today.Safety laws,modern equipment,mining pension,and unions weren't even imagined back then.We should be thankful of what we do have,the advances we have had in the last few years.You know life has to be alot easier today than in those days.We should appreciate our lives with what we have and be thankful we are alive.
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Apr 19, 2010
 
tlo wrote:
Unions can be good if someone is lucky enough to get one.Coal mining is in my background,my dad,grand dad,great grand dad,all my eight uncles on my mothers side.My mother's grand dad came from Holland to America to work in a mines,in a mining camp in Fonde,Ky.She told me her dad took her brothers to work in a mines when they were 10 years old.She said they didn't even have shoes,but they had pics and shovels.When you remember stories like this you realize how good we really have it now,today.Safety laws,modern equipment,mining pension,and unions weren't even imagined back then.We should be thankful of what we do have,the advances we have had in the last few years.You know life has to be alot easier today than in those days.We should appreciate our lives with what we have and be thankful we are alive.
Yes you are so very right, we should be very thankful for what we have.A lot of people have some very interesting life history wrapped around the coal industry. There are two very good books i would recommend for you to read, the titles are THEY DIED IN THE DARKNESS AND THEY DIED FOR KING COAL. These books are no longer in print but can be found at most libraries. With all respect due you,the UMWA was not founded on luck,and i,m sure you know the history of the UMWA.What we need to do is create more union jobs for coal miners. We need to do this using whatever means it takes but really all it will take is for coal miners accross this country to take a stand and say we want to join the union it's an undeniable fact union laborers are far better off than non-union workers.Like i said the UMWA was'nt founded on luck and a job for those who would rather work union won't come by luck either it will only happen when we as coal miners stand up to the goverment and these outlaw mining companies and take our rights back. The author of the books is Lacy A Dillion.
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Apr 19, 2010
 
Mining can be done safley. It takes 3 things: operators who follow the law, goverment who will strictly enforce the law and most importantly, a workforce with the true ability to stand up to management and refuse to work in unsafe conditions without fear of retribution. UMWA miners have that right, nonunion miners DON'T. Cecil E Roberts UMWA international president.
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Apr 19, 2010
 
The union is not the little building down the road, the union is not the district head quarters, or even the main office. The need for a strong vibrant union should beat in the heart of every person who is associated with the coal industry. History has proven time and time again that the UMWA is the only solid foundation that a coal mining family has in this industry we need certain inaleinable rights that nonunion companies simply wil not give us unless we take a united stand.
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Apr 19, 2010
 
Well i'm just curious what the difference between non union and union mines. Lets just say that your 27 and going into a union mines from a non union mines. What the pro and cons? I was told that you make less money in a union mines.
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pee eye wrote:
Well i'm just curious what the difference between non union and union mines. Lets just say that your 27 and going into a union mines from a non union mines. What the pro and cons? I was told that you make less money in a union mines.
A top paid UMWA miner earn's 24.42 per hour with time n half pay beginning after 8 hrs worked not after 40 weekly hrs. also UMWA miners are paid from what we decribe as portal to portal in short UMWA miners are paid for each n every minute under ground. Also UMWA miners receive when they are hired on at a UMWA mine. 11 paid holidays, 12 paid vacation days,5 paid sick days, 4 paid floating vacation days. And after 7 yrs. you will begin to earn graduated vacation days 1 after 7 yrs. service n 1 every year up till you acquire 13. Also a 1000.oo bounus is paid to you when you are hired it's only paid 1 time so if you go from 1 union mine to another you will not receive it again.a 250.00 dollar annual clothing allowance is usually received with your vacation pay. mines operating are required to pay for any and all tools and or materials used by their employees while on the job. Training rate for UMWA miners is 22.77 per. hr.for the first 90 days of employment. You also get triple time pay for you birthday if you work on your birthday you can opt to take your birthday off with and receive straight time pay for it. Time n half pay for all saturdays worked n they cannot make you work saturdays. Double time pay for sundays worked. They cannot bribe cohusre threaten or in any way make you work overtime if you do not want to. Of course this a federal law also you are only required to work 40 hrs. per week it is a tactic of nonunion mines to threaten to fire you and ruin your reptutation if you do not work over time.Also you begin working on your retirement the first day you work the company must begin paying into the health and retirement fund in your name. No nonunion hospitalization can even come close to what a UMWA miner gets. no matter what these outlaw nonunion operators tell you they will not even come close to what a UMWA receives in the total package pay, health ins. time off, retirement e.t.c. I challenge you to get a UMWA contract n read it for yourself sit down and seriously compare it to any nonunion mines package.
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Apr 19, 2010
 
Which company do you work for or are retired from? My husband just started a union mines today for Consol Energy. We know that he can retire in 20 yrs if he stays union, but will the union still be around for him to benefit from that?
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Apr 19, 2010
 
What a coincidence i retired from consolidated coal company. Me or noone else can assure you of tommorrow. However i can tell you that as of today the UMWA is in very stable condition. The health n retirement benefits are self supporting. The UMWA has branched out n is now affiliated with a lot of other industries and unions for example afl-cio. Aloso the UMWA alone has 42 million in a general fund and over 125 million in our strike fund.You will begin to receive a united mine workers journal read it it wil keep you up to date on all union related buisness. I would like to mention this. Although like i said tommorrow is in gods hands.Your future is much more secure with a union job, first of all non union mines are not under any legally binding contract to give or do anything fot their employees. For example if your husband is injured while working in a signatory mine his health insurance will continue at no cost to you also if he were to be disabled while working in a union mine him and his family would have a UMWA hospital card his wife would receive full benefits his dependent children would receive benefits until they turn 18 or it is possible under certain curcumstances for them to have hospitalization till they are 26 yes i said 26 this info just came out in this months journa. Also the new health care bill will not affect in any way active or retired UMWA members insurance.So you see him and his family is much much more secure when he is working in a union mine. Go to your local union president n tell him you would like a copy of the contract. Read it for yourself.At this time the UMWA is offering help to those families that were affected by the recent Montcoal tragedy.You see the bad reputation that these out law nonunion companirs have tried to place on the UMWA is just more lies and more under handed tactics to try and make their employees beleive they are better off without the union.AND THIS SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE
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Apr 19, 2010
 
I realize that what i am about write may draw a lot of negative feedback, however i feel inclined to speak to the coal mining communities of this great country. First it is time that we as coal miners realize that there is a market for so much coal. And that much will be mined regardless of who owns or operates any siad coal mine or any mining company. If a company can not or does not want to provide a safe work place for it's employees then we are better off without that company and beleive this if one company goes out of or is put out of buisness then another one will open to fill the orders. Even in the middle east they realize that we must have their oil and beleive this they benefit from it greatly you know this every time you fill your gas tank so my question is when will all coal miners realize that this country and others must have american mined coal? We as coal miners have the preverbial upper hand on this one, and now is the time to take a stand and get all the money and benefits from the coal we risk our lives to mine.We can only acheive this goal by standing up and standing together.UNITED WE LIVE AND PROSPER DEVIDED WE DIE YOUNG.Either in a mine accident or from blacklung and other industry related injuries and illnesses.
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Apr 19, 2010
 
I have worked both union and non-union in the mines.In the union mines safety is a way of life...Not just a slogan.
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Apr 19, 2010
 
both sides wrote:
I have worked both union and non-union in the mines.In the union mines safety is a way of life...Not just a slogan.
Very well said and very true.

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I used to have a lot of respect for the union, but I cannot possibly understand WHY they would support the Obama administration who is doing away with mining jobs. That Spruce mine, whose permit was pulled by OBAMA's EPA, would have been a huge union operation. It seems to me that if the union wants to grow and prosper that they would be standing up for these miners instead of laying low and saying "take more jobs".

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Aug 13, 2010
 
uninion are comunists , they protect the lazy man
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Aug 13, 2010
 
UMWA MEMBER wrote:
Did you know that umwa miners have a burial fund, a emergency releif fund, umwa built 8 hospitals, and numerous clinics nationwide had these men been union they would have had a life insurance policy paid for and provided by the umwa. Their wives would have had medical insurance for the rest of their life any children under age 18 would have had medical coverage until age 18. Plus these wives would have drawn a full miners pension for life. I wonder where a.t. massey will be just what will they do to help these families.
Massey does provide insurance for their workers my hubby gets a 100K policy free of charge my daddy works a union job for about 10 less an hour does the same job as my hubs and they give him 2500 as a burial fund

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