Las Cruces' busiest roads intersect with danger

Jul 19, 2008 Read more: Las Cruces Sun-News 17
As if you didn't already know - the intersection of Lohman Avenue and Telshor Boulevard can test your patience and your driving skills. Read more
Allen

Anchorage, AK

#1 Jul 20, 2008
What is so news worthy about the traffic. The morons touting Las Cruces as the best place to live and retire should have seen it coming. And to that individual from California talking about bad Cruces drivers being teens and the elderly....review the source, Californian. The city bureaucrats knew it was coming when they let the developers run amok. It's here, better learn to live with it.
Evelyn

Las Cruces, NM

#2 Jul 20, 2008
The police posting a list of the most dangerous intersections in town is not the way to combat the horrible driving habits of Las Cruces drivers.

The time has definitely come that we see a constant police presence at these intersections to cope with the number one problem, "red light runners". Stop these people with their "I come first attitude", and you will reduce your accidents at these intersections.
lol

Las Cruces, NM

#3 Jul 20, 2008
Evelyn wrote:
The police posting a list of the most dangerous intersections in town is not the way to combat the horrible driving habits of Las Cruces drivers.
The time has definitely come that we see a constant police presence at these intersections to cope with the number one problem, "red light runners". Stop these people with their "I come first attitude", and you will reduce your accidents at these intersections.
police presense wont help,maybe for quicker response times.
The drivers here are so self involved and dont care about other around them. With this attitude the self involved driver wont pay any attention if there is a police officer there or not as long as they get thru the light first they dont care until there is a crash that was caused by them. And even then they will always blame someone else
DUI Diva

United States

#4 Jul 20, 2008
I heard from City Council that a huge roundabout is being planned for the Valley/Main/1-10 intersection (aka The 5-pointed star of death), complete with guarded bike lanes and overhead pedestrian bridges. How novel of them to try something out that's been successful in Europe & Australia for decades. No more stopping at red lights...
Dogwatch

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Jul 20, 2008
I'll bet if most of us took the driver's training courses being offered today, we would laugh. When I took it, it was rigorous and you had to know the laws. I was always taught, "Predict what the other driver is going to do." Drivers in this state--and perhaps others--don't do that. Granted, that requires some forethought, and I genuinely believe many of these drivers are brain-damaged. Red light cameras work in Albuquerque and we need them in LC. In the meantime, predict, predict, predict...
Former Traffic Engineer

San Antonio, TX

#6 Jul 20, 2008
Regarding the intersection of Lohman/Telshore its not the drivers it is the design! Telshore Drive definitely needs to be widened at the intersection. If approaching Lohman from the north, the separate right hand turning land is virutally non existent, when you have 2 vehiles stopped at the the traffic light the right turn lane is blocked. The fact that you have 20-30 cars cued at all approaches to this intersection should be apparent to any city traffic engineer dept that improvements/widening of the intersection are required and should be programmed into their budget. In this case the Telshor approaches are clearly underdesigned. The reason you have 20-30 cars on Telshore at the intersection is the funnel effect cuased by the Corp of Engineer dam on the north side and the same goes for the south side as thier are no other north/south streets parrallel to Telshore that serve as arterial (boulevard)streets. New development (traffic generators) ocurring along Telshore is only compounding the problem. Obviously traversing the dam is not an option nor is cutting through existing development with a north/south arterial street. The city should consider turning the frontage roads on both sides of Interstate I-25 to one way with access to I-25 like in El Paso along I-10. This would provide a short term relief solution, until the city can widened Telshore. The city widened the Lohman approaches recently but that only solved half the problem as they neglected to widened the Telshore approaches.
lcnative

Joshua Tree, CA

#7 Jul 20, 2008
I came across these "roundabouts" in Colorado and I had no clue what the heck was happening at first, but once I went through it it was very efficient. All I thought about afterward was "people in Cruces are too stupid to figure these out!!!" We'd have to have a training course - run commercials all over tv showing them how to do it.
DUI Diva wrote:
I heard from City Council that a huge roundabout is being planned for the Valley/Main/1-10 intersection (aka The 5-pointed star of death), complete with guarded bike lanes and overhead pedestrian bridges. How novel of them to try something out that's been successful in Europe & Australia for decades. No more stopping at red lights...

“I am not here right now! ”

Since: Jul 08

Where my current job is.

#8 Jul 20, 2008
The "former traffic engineer" brings up good points on the roadway source(s) of the problem, and ways to fix them. But paying for a study, and getting one with ideas that'll work, AND getting the funding for the improvements, are all issues the city government has problems doing correctly/well. IMHO, of course - somebody else may have a different view of local politics.

"Evelyn" brought up the issue of increased police presence at the worst intersections. I have to agree with the idea of more police presence at the intersections, especially at the busy times during morning and evening rush-hour, and during busy shopping/cruising periods in the afternoon and evenings during weekend.

Okay, there's going to be the comments "the extra police presence costs too much" or "too many cops snooping on people reduces privacy and will lead to a police state dictatorship." So how about doing like what other cities have done, and put up the cameras that photograph people that blow off a red light? The cameras might not be able to keep up, though - I routinely see 2, 3, even 4 drivers going through most intersections even though the light has turned red for them.

The camera idea is also going to bring in the comments about lack of privacy, etc. The way I figure, if you want privacy, get yourself a remote cabin with no contact with the outside world, like Ted Kaczynski. Dealing with the outside world means giving up some privacy, especially when activities are done in a public place, like a public road.
Former Traffic Engineer

San Antonio, TX

#9 Jul 20, 2008
I should mention the widening of Telshore is still only a short term solution. Long term solutions should address extra east/west overpasses and/or underpasses along with a major traffic corridor perhaps Road Runner moving north and south and connecting Hwy 70 with I-25. The city needs to address this and soon otherwise Telshore/Lohman will soon become saturated again as development continues and residents will have to deal with a permanent bottleneck with no design solutions.
Former Traffic Engineer

San Antonio, TX

#10 Jul 20, 2008
Roundabouts work especially in low volume intersection but they also have design limitation depending on traffic volume, given the existing traffic volume and the continued funneling effet I mentioned earlier I wouldnt recommend one.

“I am not here right now! ”

Since: Jul 08

Where my current job is.

#11 Jul 20, 2008
Former Traffic Engineer wrote:
I should mention the widening of Telshore is still only a short term solution. Long term solutions should address extra east/west overpasses and/or underpasses along with a major traffic corridor perhaps Road Runner moving north and south and connecting Hwy 70 with I-25. The city needs to address this and soon otherwise Telshore/Lohman will soon become saturated again as development continues and residents will have to deal with a permanent bottleneck with no design solutions.
Having lived in several major cities on the (B)east coast for over a decade, it was a standing joke in each that any road improvements were obsolete by the time the first load of dirt was moved at the start of construction. Unfortunately the joke was based on reality based observation.

The same road/traffic planning problem is prevalent throughout New Mexico. Projects are planned and funded based on no more vision than what's needed to see to the next election.
roswell55

Albuquerque, NM

#12 Jul 20, 2008
Oh come on people.Its my third world heritage.Its my etitlement...
roswell55

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Jul 20, 2008
Check,entitlement...saavy?
Former Traffic Engineer

San Antonio, TX

#14 Jul 20, 2008
Roswell55, as a 6th generation NM resident, visiting friends and using their laptop in Kingsville, Tx I don't necessilary agree with some of the comments posted here either, but ignore them afterall its not about heritage its about public safety.
tax payer II

Santa Fe, NM

#15 Jul 20, 2008
that's why the police and sheriff patrols should be station at the most dangers spot. rather then sitting 12 miles out of any danger area and waiting at 9:30 pm to ticket someone he thinks didn't come to a full stop
Agree

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Jul 21, 2008
tax payer II wrote:
that's why the police and sheriff patrols should be station at the most dangers spot. rather then sitting 12 miles out of any danger area and waiting at 9:30 pm to ticket someone he thinks didn't come to a full stop
And then they don't show up to court so it is all a big waste of time!
desertdweller

Eagle Pass, TX

#17 Nov 24, 2010
If a roundabout is put in at Main/Valley and I-10, that will only make things worse. Several of states have begun a program to remove roundabouts because they have been creating so much traffic congestion

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