Lowe's in Trouble

Lowe's in Trouble

There are 327 comments on the CNN story from Feb 13, 2012, titled Lowe's in Trouble. In it, CNN reports that:

Lowe's Companies Inc. is offering certain corporate office staff in Mooresville and Wilkesboro a lump sum severance payment and other benefits to end their employment with the company through a "voluntary separation program" . "The majority of employees in Wilkesboro and Mooresville are eligible.

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#193 Mar 24, 2012
nedm wrote:
Not all unionized places do well. Remember GM? Why would they ask for a bailout if they were doing well. Remember how Chrysler needed two of them in the late 70's?
It would be easier, simpler and faster to simply leave lowes to a better employer. How about one with standards. Do you know that target practically requires a bachelors degree to be a department manager?
There's no evidence that a union would work well unless you start to specifically outline who would be a member. Factor out ASM's, part timers, department managers...who specifically would be there?
Unions don't work in retail. The wages are too low. Nothing to bargain for.

You can't "practically require" anything. Require is an absolute. Either you do or you don't.

Heard your Mom let you paint the basement.
OhNoHeDidnt

Lakewood, OH

#194 Mar 25, 2012
Unions only benefit the weak employees. People constantly worried about being let go for something should consider how well they actually perform their job. Be real, some people just aren't meant for certain careers. So rather than be honest with yourself, you want a union so a manager can't fire you for under-performing? At the end of the day, companies want to be profitable. If, as an employee, you aren't contributing in some way to the overall profitability of a company, what is your worth?
partofthesolutio n

Fort Wayne, IN

#195 Mar 25, 2012
OhNoHeDidnt wrote:
Unions only benefit the weak employees. People constantly worried about being let go for something should consider how well they actually perform their job. Be real, some people just aren't meant for certain careers. So rather than be honest with yourself, you want a union so a manager can't fire you for under-performing? At the end of the day, companies want to be profitable. If, as an employee, you aren't contributing in some way to the overall profitability of a company, what is your worth?
The other major issue with going union, is you effectively halt any of your up and coming newer associates. You give a certain type of power to your longest tenured associates, some of which are c, maybe low b players, who know exactly what the minimum is to get by. These aren't the people I want representing the employees in the store. They are actually the ones who need to change the most, who need to adapt to the way our customers do business, and can't grasp LEF. Not because they don't believe on it, or think like some of you, that its a gimick, but truly can't embrace change. Yea, our pay may go up a lil, but we will lose something or some things in the process, that will hurt all of us.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#196 Mar 25, 2012
exmanager well they do require a degree for the position. If someone was grandfathered in under the old terms that could be a possibility so that's why I said practically.

Sorry I don't paint or live in basements.

ohno is right. Besides it is not as if lowes is a private company. If you own shares then they have to tell you pretty much what the budgets are and how well they are doing.$30 isn't that much to spend to get to know that.

Now if lowes was private like menards (which makes lowes look like Heaven on earth) then it would be a different story.

For the most part people I met at lowes usually left on their own accord. The majority that were fired were fired due to their own stupidity. One came in late (30minutes+ each time), another stole from the place, caused an accident costing 30K to the store..finally fired due to faking inventory, one made death threats to a coworker (had weapons at home), one yelled swears loudly at another, a sm faked numbers to try to get a bonus etc.

www.sacbee.com/2012/03/23/4359980/new-grocery...

So if you are a unionized retailer and non union ones open up that have lower costs why would anyone continue to invest in the unionized one?

Here's a link that takes you to where you can look a union up and how much their leaders make
http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do

Look up the RWDSU and then look at the hq. Some are making six figures just to "organize". Now this wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that 1/3rd of their locals have no assets!
Whocares

Toronto, Canada

#197 Mar 25, 2012
Its irrelevant what the union organizers make. The point is that people are being so badly treated and may feel their only recourse is to unionize.
Once you get the"clique"mentality running a store it is the good people that suffer. The poor performers are the ones who usually"schmooze"the managers and end up getting whatever they want.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#198 Mar 25, 2012
Whocares

How is it "irrelevant" what the union organizers make when they don't work for the company and the union collects union dues?

Poor performers can end up getting cut. Remember corporate is the one that decides much of what happens. It did not matter if you were a good/bad sales specialist, they cut the spiffs and sos for everyone. cliques can happen but they can also fall apart, I've seen it happen.
Heresathought

Mooresville, NC

#199 Mar 25, 2012
nedm wrote:
Now if lowes was private like menards (which makes lowes look like Heaven on earth) then it would be a different story.
Why ? whats wrong with Menards ?
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#200 Mar 25, 2012
This article came out years ago and it is long but it tells a fair amount
www.insidemilwaukee.com/Article/242011-BigMon...
Union Believer

Sulphur, LA

#201 Mar 25, 2012
nedm wrote:
Not all unionized places do well. Remember GM? Why would they ask for a bailout if they were doing well. Remember how Chrysler needed two of them in the late 70's?
It would be easier, simpler and faster to simply leave lowes to a better employer. How about one with standards. Do you know that target practically requires a bachelors degree to be a department manager?
There's no evidence that a union would work well unless you start to specifically outline who would be a member. Factor out ASM's, part timers, department managers...who specifically would be there?
Actually all houly employees would be eligible, even part time. The american auto industry got in trouble because of mammoth pension funds.(foreign auto companies don't have this issue) Most companies now rely mainly on 401K retirement plans.
Union Believer

Sulphur, LA

#202 Mar 25, 2012
OhNoHeDidnt wrote:
Unions only benefit the weak employees. People constantly worried about being let go for something should consider how well they actually perform their job. Be real, some people just aren't meant for certain careers. So rather than be honest with yourself, you want a union so a manager can't fire you for under-performing? At the end of the day, companies want to be profitable. If, as an employee, you aren't contributing in some way to the overall profitability of a company, what is your worth?
Actually Kroger is Union (UFCW). Retail can be union. It would work. Someone has to take the first step for Lowes. There are a lot of good people at Lowes.
Union Believer

Sulphur, LA

#203 Mar 25, 2012
nedm wrote:
exmanager well they do require a degree for the position. If someone was grandfathered in under the old terms that could be a possibility so that's why I said practically.
Sorry I don't paint or live in basements.
ohno is right. Besides it is not as if lowes is a private company. If you own shares then they have to tell you pretty much what the budgets are and how well they are doing.$30 isn't that much to spend to get to know that.
Now if lowes was private like menards (which makes lowes look like Heaven on earth) then it would be a different story.
For the most part people I met at lowes usually left on their own accord. The majority that were fired were fired due to their own stupidity. One came in late (30minutes+ each time), another stole from the place, caused an accident costing 30K to the store..finally fired due to faking inventory, one made death threats to a coworker (had weapons at home), one yelled swears loudly at another, a sm faked numbers to try to get a bonus etc.
www.sacbee.com/2012/03/23/4359980/new-grocery...
So if you are a unionized retailer and non union ones open up that have lower costs why would anyone continue to invest in the unionized one?
Here's a link that takes you to where you can look a union up and how much their leaders make
http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do
Look up the RWDSU and then look at the hq. Some are making six figures just to "organize". Now this wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that 1/3rd of their locals have no assets!
In my 4 years as a Lowes ASM I sat in on too many "employee talks" where the employee actually did nothing wrong. One employee had cancer surgery and obviously missed some work, then was given a hard time for missing too much work. He was forced out. He decided to quit. I've seen employees terminated for not getting their departments zoned. They were covering multiple departments in a $45 million dollar store. No one could have done it. I have worked in multiple stores in multiple states. Some better, some worse. Unions aren't perfect, but Lowes employees now work in far from perfect situations now. You may be a good worker and feel secure. Most people do until they are called to HR for a farewell meeting.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#204 Mar 26, 2012
Kroger might be one example but it is not nationwide.

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/Kroger_Uni...

So as you can see here even if you vote against a contract it can still be approved if you were one of the 33% that voted against it.

How exactly would a union help given that there's countless other places to shop at?

Unions generally work when the labor is specialized and there are no other choices. Look at the GM strike of the 1940's. It was after ww 2 and there was no choice but to deal with the union. Unionization is only around 8% of the private sector. If you really want a union job then work for the government (it's 30-40% there).

Factor in walmart and then factor in online shopping ( amazon.com to start with) and you'll see there are more choices than ever.

The only people that really want lowes to be unionized would be home depot because the cost structure would go up. Lowes is already in significant debt. More importantly it is owned mostly by larger banks and institutions, it is not controlled by corporate (they are middlemen).

There are better places out there. Wanting lowes to go union to improve things is like marrying a ugly wife and spending thousands on make up to make things better when you could get a divorce and find someone else.
ChuckyDoll

United States

#205 Mar 26, 2012
You have got to be kidding me NEDM with that last statement!! Hahaha! You need help as I now really believe you are quite insane.
nedm the douche

Mooresville, NC

#206 Mar 27, 2012
nedm wrote:
Kroger might be one example but it is not nationwide.
http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/Kroger_Uni...
So as you can see here even if you vote against a contract it can still be approved if you were one of the 33% that voted against it.
How exactly would a union help given that there's countless other places to shop at?
Unions generally work when the labor is specialized and there are no other choices. Look at the GM strike of the 1940's. It was after ww 2 and there was no choice but to deal with the union. Unionization is only around 8% of the private sector. If you really want a union job then work for the government (it's 30-40% there).
Factor in walmart and then factor in online shopping ( amazon.com to start with) and you'll see there are more choices than ever.
The only people that really want lowes to be unionized would be home depot because the cost structure would go up. Lowes is already in significant debt. More importantly it is owned mostly by larger banks and institutions, it is not controlled by corporate (they are middlemen).
There are better places out there. Wanting lowes to go union to improve things is like marrying a ugly wife and spending thousands on make up to make things better when you could get a divorce and find someone else.
hate having to re-state the obvious but, you really are a fountain of useless info and when ChuckDill says your crazy it must be true. Son, get back on your meds and grip
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#207 Mar 27, 2012
So talking about events involving the past is useless? So what is the basis of your argument then?

So there are no other jobs than lowes? Come on now you know that isn't true.

There are better places out there. What do you have to lose?
laughing out loud

Mooresville, NC

#208 Mar 27, 2012
Scary and sad to come here once in a while and see nedm here ALL the time...you must be bored to tears spewing all day, every day. Wow, but it sure is funny. Honestly I cannot even read a whole paragraph of yours fully, they are nonsense and just out of touch.
Furby

Mooresville, NC

#209 Mar 27, 2012
Please stop feeding the attention who*es, if you ignore them they will go somewhere else to be the center of the universe
pawnstar

Elizabeth City, NC

#210 Mar 27, 2012
I just wanted to know if all the store managers are enjoying their new ipads?
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#211 Mar 28, 2012
So corporate is trolling eh.

Anyways the statement is valid.

Is lowes seriously the *best* anyone can do?

If hd offers you more would you jump ship? What about menards? What about HH Greg? Tractor Supply? A hardware store?

There is plenty out there and to suggest that lowes is the best that anyone can do is a bit sad. I know people that have jumped to non profits for more pay. Others even went to pet stores for more pay. Heck even Target treats people better at this point.
Jeff

Melbourne, FL

#212 Mar 28, 2012
You are a kook! Go sit with Frank in the basement. He was a great troll, you are awful and BORING! Go get a life nedm.

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