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Former senior

Rochester, NY

#123 Jul 26, 2012
nedm wrote:
"Nedm most of the time the Lumber Dept hired young people with very little skill . But what kind of quality would you get for 10 bucks per hour ? My dept is in the Lumber area so more younger than older folk"
The margin for lumber is low. But the margin for fasteners is quite high. The objective is to sell them the whole project. I'm aware of cull lumber and how long it can take for people to pick out the right wood.
Here's a place near me that actually mocks lumber sold at box stores
http://www.cclco.com/
They have a bumper sticker saying that they don't do birdhouse clinics, no call buttons, no "other departments" etc. I know people that have worked there and if you drop a piece of lumber they have a panic attack. Their lumber quality is much better but the prices are also much higher.
exmanager yes I know a store that isn't making payroll. I know this because I worked with a department manager who was close with the then district manager. That was before the economic slowdown. Luckily they have other businesses in the area that share the same parking lot and thus those that drive by assume it is all for lowes even though it really isn't even close.(two bars, restaurants and a bank)
Nedem it is very clear to me yo do not have a clue of what a Commercial Sales department sells . Sure we sell Lumber and yes it is not the best Lumber out there . I agree with you on this fact ! But we sell everything in the store . I saw someone post that it is crazy to pay 16 buck a hour to sell Applances . Well ok if they just sold stuff off the floor all day . The is no way they can make LVL beams and trusses and other items stock ! Ever ! You need to have some idea of what you ate selling with some SOS items . Sure a contractor knows what he needs and what it is but if a sales person does not know we're to find it what kind of sales would be lost when they get frustrated and leave . I know on the weekends this happens all the time . Lowes will always need people with backgrounds in departments . Sure there are many part time people with awesome skills . But more often the person in a department is just a warm body filling a hole . We all have heard of stores were employees are covering areas that they have very little or no idea about the items sold . This sucks for customers with questions about what they need or how to do it . You need to think about that what good will a ATG terminal be if they don't even know what it is they need to do a job ?

Since: Jul 11

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#124 Jul 26, 2012
nedm wrote:
"Nedm most of the time the Lumber Dept hired young people with very little skill . But what kind of quality would you get for 10 bucks per hour ? My dept is in the Lumber area so more younger than older folk"
The margin for lumber is low. But the margin for fasteners is quite high. The objective is to sell them the whole project. I'm aware of cull lumber and how long it can take for people to pick out the right wood.
Here's a place near me that actually mocks lumber sold at box stores
http://www.cclco.com/
They have a bumper sticker saying that they don't do birdhouse clinics, no call buttons, no "other departments" etc. I know people that have worked there and if you drop a piece of lumber they have a panic attack. Their lumber quality is much better but the prices are also much higher.
exmanager yes I know a store that isn't making payroll. I know this because I worked with a department manager who was close with the then district manager. That was before the economic slowdown. Luckily they have other businesses in the area that share the same parking lot and thus those that drive by assume it is all for lowes even though it really isn't even close.(two bars, restaurants and a bank)
Um, how many employees would stick around if payroll wasn't being made? I give up. Uncle! You win. Bye!
Former senior

Rochester, NY

#125 Jul 26, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
You guys don't get it and you probably never will. You have shyed away from positions of leadership for your whole lowes careers in favor of staying in a career that is going out of style nation wide (commissioned sales). When com and spiffs died, instead of looking for ways to move up and earn more, you chose to simply stay where u were and gripe about it. Where is all that ambition you say financial incentives give you? Or do you really not want to work any harder, and just make twice as much?
It comes down to many specialists out there are causing a negative effect to the enterprise, and the enterprise is all that matters. The problem is, getting a disgruntled specialist to see how they are bad for business is like trying to explain to a union employee at GM how they are bad for business. Their argument always comes back to a personal one. How it affects them personally, a personal attack, how the other person isn't compassionate or is arrogant. It really has nothing to do with any of these things. The argument is purely economic.
DmxMd you have issues . Why is it wrong for a specialist to make 16 bucks a hour ? I was a department manager at lowes also and a senior manager after that and then district after that . So what is the issue ? Some of the people you seem to hate so much have been working for Lowes for a long time so should the hourly wage reflect that or are they to stay at your 10 buck a hour forever . It's fine for a Company to make money but they need to remember the hard working folks including everyone who work at Lowes everyone is the key word . I'm sure you make 16 buck or more a hour why do you feel that the people who sell make to much . Also a monkey could run a Walmart no skill needed to work there at all . I shop there and from what I see not a great place to work . It's a mess in almost everyone I have ever been it . Lowes and Walmart not a good comparison .
Former senior

Rochester, NY

#126 Jul 26, 2012
exmanager wrote:
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Um, how many employees would stick around if payroll wasn't being made? I give up. Uncle! You win. Bye!
it not a who wins issue it's a issue of people who work every day to live . I understand that Lowes Needs to make some changes but not at the cost of jobs . If they want to make cuts start at the top that's were the money is lost .

Since: Oct 11

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#127 Jul 26, 2012
Former senior wrote:
<quoted text> it not a who wins issue it's a issue of people who work every day to live . I understand that Lowes Needs to make some changes but not at the cost of jobs . If they want to make cuts start at the top that's were the money is lost .
I cannot understand why folks at the top making millions a year cannot or will not understand that maybe one reason their profits are where they should be is because their payroll is too high--the big guns at the top are raising payroll costs. They cannot make so let's cut the little guy out who is just trying to make ends meet.

Greed must lead to stupidity or lack of caring. If each top dog took 1M less per year and put it back into the company maybe they cold pay us more. Why is it we provide cars or car allowances fr the executives who could afford to pay cash for any vehicle they would want and the folks at the bottom either can't afford a car or can only afford one that is on it's last leg.

My only conclusion is greed and the desire for more and they don't think about their employees making $8-10/hour--they cannot fathom making that paltry sum. Executives...come down out of your ivory towers and walk among your employees, listen to them, empathize with them. They don't want the world, they want to be able to feed their family, have health and dental care, food, water and shelter. You guys at the top have the Cadillac of everything and the folks in the stores have the Pinto of everything with no hope of getting ahead...because these same execs ship the good paying jobs oversees--why...they get a bigger bonus for saving money (labor). So, what is their real reason for shipping our jobs to China? Cost right? You guys could live a couple of years on your investments and salaries up to this point-take a $100/per year or, pay yourselves the average pay of your hourly employees and put the rest of the money into the company...You/we would be surprised at how much money that would be, imagine, giving your employees a fair living wage where only 1 spouse has to work outside of the home, imagine giving your hourly folks a good bonus-not $300 per quarter while you guys get millions. Greed folks, greed-"How much money is enough? Just a little bit more." ---Howard Hughes
x home decor specalist

Bourbonnais, IL

#128 Jul 26, 2012
exmanager wrote:
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I would expect a 50M store to do well into 7 figures in Commercial Sales, although it's market dependent. That was my background and you're right, it requires specialized knowledge and service to keep contractor business. Plus, between shrink and culls and the fact that Lowes' lumber wasn't exactly first rate meant the profit had to come elsewhere. Contractors shop the whole store and Commercial Sales specialists better be well versed in every department including Home Decor. They can't be replaced by a tattooed, text messaging 19 yr. old.
Thats funny I was replaced by a 19 yr. or around that age tatooed text messaging associate.After 9 yrs. with Lowes.I never brought my cell phone on the floor,it was against store policy.But there are people that still have there jobs and text all day long.
DMxMD

Gardner, KS

#129 Jul 27, 2012
Former senior wrote:
<quoted text> DmxMd you have issues . Why is it wrong for a specialist to make 16 bucks a hour ? I was a department manager at lowes also and a senior manager after that and then district after that . So what is the issue ? Some of the people you seem to hate so much have been working for Lowes for a long time so should the hourly wage reflect that or are they to stay at your 10 buck a hour forever . It's fine for a Company to make money but they need to remember the hard working folks including everyone who work at Lowes everyone is the key word . I'm sure you make 16 buck or more a hour why do you feel that the people who sell make to much . Also a monkey could run a Walmart no skill needed to work there at all . I shop there and from what I see not a great place to work . It's a mess in almost everyone I have ever been it . Lowes and Walmart not a good comparison .
For one, a Walmart store is VERY difficult to run. You have no idea. The sheer volume of sales is 5X that of the average lowes store. It's not even close to the same, you're right. Also, I am willing to bet my life savings you were never a district level manager, otherwise you would see the same bigger picture I am trying to show. If you were even a senior as your name implies, you would see above all this banter, and if you don't, there's a reason why you are a "former". You don't fit with the new retail environment and you were probably one let go when the management restructure happened. I'm sorry if that's the case. I hate for anyone to lose their job, especially in this economy, but, if you can't understand what I'm saying economically, you have no business being in a leadership position, much less commenting on my analysis.
Former senior

Rochester, NY

#130 Jul 27, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
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For one, a Walmart store is VERY difficult to run. You have no idea. The sheer volume of sales is 5X that of the average lowes store. It's not even close to the same, you're right. Also, I am willing to bet my life savings you were never a district level manager, otherwise you would see the same bigger picture I am trying to show. If you were even a senior as your name implies, you would see above all this banter, a nd if you don't, there's a reason why you are a "former". You don't fit with the new retail environment and you were probably one let go when the management restructure happened. I'm sorry if that's the case. I hate for anyone to lose their job, especially in this economy, but, if you can't understand what I'm saying economically, you have no business being in a leadership position, much less commenting on my analysis.
Well you win I guess !
Former senior

Rochester, NY

#131 Jul 27, 2012
Former senior wrote:
<quoted text> Well you win I guess !
I'd do see your point but at what point will it end ? I know there must be a change . But you have seen the many people loose there jobs . I know a few who still have not found a job after a year looking . Some had to take a job that pays so poorly they lost everything they worked for there whole life . I'm not trying to win any arguement with you . Just making a point and venting . I stepped down because of my health to save my life . I now work in a store and see how hard it is for employees to get by . I have been a Manager for a long long time . I made a choice to get out !
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#132 Jul 27, 2012
A walmart (especially super) would be harder due to it not closing, not having topstock for the most part, more departments, more issues with those departments, having spoilage (food can't sit forever etc).

The trouble with lowes is that much of what they made was made so with credit. New stores do very well so they opened up tons of stores. It was a good short term idea but not a long term one. Lowe's owes over 7 billion dollars in long term debt. Things were going fine until 2010 when for some reason they decided to add more.
www.stock-analysis-on.net/NYSE/Company/Lowes-... Yes much of it is fixed but that's not exactly the point.If a business plan does not work then expanding it still won't make it work.
ahole

Fort Wayne, IN

#133 Jul 27, 2012
nedm wrote:
A walmart (especially super) would be harder due to it not closing, not having topstock for the most part, more departments, more issues with those departments, having spoilage (food can't sit forever etc).
The trouble with lowes is that much of what they made was made so with credit. New stores do very well so they opened up tons of stores. It was a good short term idea but not a long term one. Lowe's owes over 7 billion dollars in long term debt. Things were going fine until 2010 when for some reason they decided to add more.
www.stock-analysis-on.net/NYSE/Company/Lowes-... Yes much of it is fixed but that's not exactly the point.If a business plan does not work then expanding it still won't make it work.
another negative cmmnt from a scumbag

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