Ethics Point
DMxMD

United States

#21 Sep 30, 2012
You're right. You know nothing about my life outside of work, so why comment on it? Have your arguments failed to the point you are reduced to simple insults? I'm not NEDM people. You can debate with me and its ok. We may never agree and its ok. When it comes to life and work, I have always lived with the understanding that nothing will be handed to me by anyone. I have to work hard and be valuable to my employer to earn value (money) back. I am ambitious and always working toward a goal of the next career level. I find it hard to identify with people content in low level roles, or those that stay in them and hate the job, pay, etc. The only way to het a better job is to apply for one. You can not ever just expect your current job to pay you more overnight, give you more benefits, etc. Too many people want to just sit at the bottom rung on the ladder and expect benefits of being at the top to be handed down to them. It takes ambition to climb to get them. If some of the complainers on here or connections spent half the time and energy they do bitching on working harder, resume writing, and job applications, they could get promoted or hired at a better job with another company easily.

Since: Oct 11

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#22 Sep 30, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
You're right. You know nothing about my life outside of work, so why comment on it? Have your arguments failed to the point you are reduced to simple insults? I'm not NEDM people. You can debate with me and its ok. We may never agree and its ok. When it comes to life and work, I have always lived with the understanding that nothing will be handed to me by anyone. I have to work hard and be valuable to my employer to earn value (money) back. I am ambitious and always working toward a goal of the next career level. I find it hard to identify with people content in low level roles, or those that stay in them and hate the job, pay, etc. The only way to het a better job is to apply for one. You can not ever just expect your current job to pay you more overnight, give you more benefits, etc. Too many people want to just sit at the bottom rung on the ladder and expect benefits of being at the top to be handed down to them. It takes ambition to climb to get them. If some of the complainers on here or connections spent half the time and energy they do bitching on working harder, resume writing, and job applications, they could get promoted or hired at a better job with another company easily.
I take issue with you on this subject.

How old are you sir? I used to feel like you, promote the young bucks, push out the old, mature timers--it was good for me because I was getting promoted. Until the last 5 years. I am now 60 yrs old-no one wants me, Lowes won't promote me. I have an MBA, been in management while some of you were still in diapers, had two small businesses. I have applied for many jobs I am qualified for but get the rejection letter as soon as they see me--so many rejection letters I am about to give up looking and ride low paying Lowes out for 2-7 more years. I make $30,000less today than I did 10 yrs ago, I make about what I made fresh out of high school--not by my choice.
I came to Lowes with two ambitions-1) make it short because I will find something in my field, 2) get into management at Lowes. Well, 5 yrs later I am still at Lowes as a CSA--happy, kind of-resigned to the fact that the economy sucks and no one wants an older employee who has more experience than most of them.
Someday you will understand--when you start reaching 50-60, don't be surprised if you get let out to pasture and you go looking for a job, it won't matter how much education or experience you have-they will think you are over qualified, want too much money etc. translated....too old. They cannot tell you that because of discrimination laws but it is

Since: Jul 11

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#23 Sep 30, 2012
Pedro Rodriquez wrote:
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I take issue with you on this subject.
How old are you sir? I used to feel like you, promote the young bucks, push out the old, mature timers--it was good for me because I was getting promoted. Until the last 5 years. I am now 60 yrs old-no one wants me, Lowes won't promote me. I have an MBA, been in management while some of you were still in diapers, had two small businesses. I have applied for many jobs I am qualified for but get the rejection letter as soon as they see me--so many rejection letters I am about to give up looking and ride low paying Lowes out for 2-7 more years. I make $30,000less today than I did 10 yrs ago, I make about what I made fresh out of high school--not by my choice.

I came to Lowes with two ambitions-1) make it short because I will find something in my field, 2) get into management at Lowes. Well, 5 yrs later I am still at Lowes as a CSA--happy, kind of-resigned to the fact that the economy sucks and no one wants an older employee who has more experience than most of them.
Someday you will understand--when you start reaching 50-60, don't be surprised if you get let out to pasture and you go looking for a job, it won't matter how much education or experience you have-they will think you are over qualified, want too much money etc. translated....too old. They cannot tell you that because of discrimination laws but it is
I'm 56 and you're right, when you reach a certain age people think differently. However, it doesn't matter what they think, it's what you think!

I was purged in Jan. 11 with all the other managers. I sold cars for a year, something I hadn't done in 25 years. It got me through. I used extra time to start a landscaping business with my son. It's booming. I just started managing a small, locally owned building store to supplement til I can landscape full time,(next year). So, I stock shelves and help customers 50 hours/wk and trim shrubs and haul dirt in my spare time. Oh, I have a profit making website for the evening hours. I make more than I did at Lowes and I was well paid there. We always bonused, great store.

So, think out of the box and improve your lot. You don't seem very happy where you are. There's life after Lowes.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#24 Sep 30, 2012
exmanager wrote:
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I'm 56 and you're right, when you reach a certain age people think differently. However, it doesn't matter what they think, it's what you think!
I was purged in Jan. 11 with all the other managers. I sold cars for a year, something I hadn't done in 25 years. It got me through. I used extra time to start a landscaping business with my son. It's booming. I just started managing a small, locally owned building store to supplement til I can landscape full time,(next year). So, I stock shelves and help customers 50 hours/wk and trim shrubs and haul dirt in my spare time. Oh, I have a profit making website for the evening hours. I make more than I did at Lowes and I was well paid there. We always bonused, great store.
So, think out of the box and improve your lot. You don't seem very happy where you are. There's life after Lowes.
I just have more to offer than I am being allowed to do. I have two small businesses-the last one about killed me. I continue to look, applied for a job yesterday in my field-one day something will stick. Thanks for the encouragement.
FormerSM

Fort Wayne, IN

#25 Sep 30, 2012
DM, Ex and Pedro....you just posted some of the most heartfelt thoughts I've seen on this site. I emphasize with all 3 of you and wish you well. You're good people.
FormerSM

Fort Wayne, IN

#26 Sep 30, 2012
"Empathize ". Darn auto correct...

Since: Oct 11

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#27 Sep 30, 2012
FormerSM wrote:
"Empathize ". Darn auto correct...
Thank you!!!!
drfabs

Fair Oaks, CA

#28 Sep 30, 2012
Do not call the Ethics line about any unethical behavior regarding management. If you identify yourself they will retaliate against you. Lowe's is a very unethical company when it comes to how they treat their employees.
DMxMD

Gardner, KS

#29 Oct 1, 2012
My age is not terribly pertinent, but I WILL tell you I'm in the <40 age bracket, so no, I have not felt the pain of job searching in the >40 bracket. I do empathize with that. The only thing I can say about age and lowes is that no matter what anyone says, I have never recieved direction or heard anyone else recieve direction to Target older, more experienced, or higher paid workers. The ones we actively Target are employees that refuse to change or be flexible to the point of being insubordinate, or those that are SO "experienced" (ie. ego) that they feel the need to challenge direction from their boss at every turn. One of the best career skills a person can have is knowing the right time to stand up, challenge your boss and share a new idea, and knowing when to just say yes sir and keep your mouth shut. Honestly, of all the reasons I've seen terminations at all levels, a big mouth is almost always the cause.
Pearl

Seminole, FL

#30 Oct 1, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
My age is not terribly pertinent, but I WILL tell you I'm in the <40 age bracket, so no, I have not felt the pain of job searching in the >40 bracket. I do empathize with that. The only thing I can say about age and lowes is that no matter what anyone says, I have never recieved direction or heard anyone else recieve direction to Target older, more experienced, or higher paid workers. The ones we actively Target are employees that refuse to change or be flexible to the point of being insubordinate, or those that are SO "experienced" (ie. ego) that they feel the need to challenge direction from their boss at every turn. One of the best career skills a person can have is knowing the right time to stand up, challenge your boss and share a new idea, and knowing when to just say yes sir and keep your mouth shut. Honestly, of all the reasons I've seen terminations at all levels, a big mouth is almost always the cause.
SO, with your huge mouth you are likely to be terminated?
Spanish Mike Alvarez

Schnecksville, PA

#31 Oct 1, 2012
I assumed DMxMD is/was already unemployed based on the amount of time he/she spends trolling this forum. Most people who are gainfully employed would not have the time or interest in posting on Topix every couple of hours and arguing with NEDM's every post.

Leave NEDM alone, he has forgotten more than most of you will ever know. If would take the time to read his posts, you would see that.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#32 Oct 1, 2012
Spanish Mike Alvarez wrote:
I assumed DMxMD is/was already unemployed based on the amount of time he/she spends trolling this forum. Most people who are gainfully employed would not have the time or interest in posting on Topix every couple of hours and arguing with NEDM's every post.
Leave NEDM alone, he has forgotten more than most of you will ever know. If would take the time to read his posts, you would see that.
He must be a manager at Lowes to spend so much time on Topix-Mon-Fri.
Spanish Mike Alvarez

Schnecksville, PA

#33 Oct 2, 2012
Pedro Rodriquez wrote:
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He must be a manager at Lowes to spend so much time on Topix-Mon-Fri.
Exactly. So many Lowe's managers are on the internet instead of doing their jobs. It definately shows up in the morale of the company. If he practiced what he/she preached, he wouldn't have time to post on here.
Cuban Mike Smallvarez

Mooresville, NC

#34 Oct 2, 2012
Spanish Mike Alvarez wrote:
I assumed DMxMD is/was already unemployed based on the amount of time he/she spends trolling this forum. Most people who are gainfully employed would not have the time or interest in posting on Topix every couple of hours and arguing with NEDM's every post.
Leave NEDM alone, he has forgotten more than most of you will ever know. If would take the time to read his posts, you would see that.
WOW!!! I knew you two were an item! Don't be ashamed, embrace your partner proudly and shout to the world... "I LOVE NEDM!!!"
zal front load

Angola, NY

#35 Oct 2, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
You're right. You know nothing about my life outside of work, so why comment on it? Have your arguments failed to the point you are reduced to simple insults? I'm not NEDM people. You can debate with me and its ok. We may never agree and its ok. When it comes to life and work, I have always lived with the understanding that nothing will be handed to me by anyone. I have to work hard and be valuable to my employer to earn value (money) back. I am ambitious and always working toward a goal of the next career level. I find it hard to identify with people content in low level roles, or those that stay in them and hate the job, pay, etc. The only way to het a better job is to apply for one. You can not ever just expect your current job to pay you more overnight, give you more benefits, etc. Too many people want to just sit at the bottom rung on the ladder and expect benefits of being at the top to be handed down to them. It takes ambition to climb to get them. If some of the complainers on here or connections spent half the time and energy they do bitching on working harder, resume writing, and job applications, they could get promoted or hired at a better job with another company easily.
I knew that we had more in common than some of our sparring sessions here would suggest. The conservative ideology you post is what ive always believed....nobody hands you a better life, nor should they. Earn your way. Put your efforts into getting ahead with dignity (you dont have to step on those below to climb up). Now we do not all have the same skill sets so one must find his or her path to a better level..mine has been through sales. I am not nor will i likely ever be a managerial type...its not my nature and have no desire to make it so. I find it fascinating that someone who claims to believe that one should earn what he gets could be so much against commission enhanced pay and gloated (as many have) about its removal. You say you want people to earn their way while being productive for the company so the idea of being in favor of commission/spiff elimination is quite contradictory. I've tried to climb that ladder while producing results for the big guys on top only to have those same people cut the rungs out of my ladder.
Spanish Mike Alvarez

Schnecksville, PA

#37 Oct 2, 2012
zal front load wrote:
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I knew that we had more in common than some of our sparring sessions here would suggest. The conservative ideology you post is what ive always believed.....
A call a man crush on these two.

Get a room fellas...

If you are conservative, then vote Romney.
If you want a free Obamaphone....

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio
DMxMD

Gardner, KS

#38 Oct 2, 2012
zal front load wrote:
<quoted text>
I knew that we had more in common than some of our sparring sessions here would suggest. The conservative ideology you post is what ive always believed....nobody hands you a better life, nor should they. Earn your way. Put your efforts into getting ahead with dignity (you dont have to step on those below to climb up). Now we do not all have the same skill sets so one must find his or her path to a better level..mine has been through sales. I am not nor will i likely ever be a managerial type...its not my nature and have no desire to make it so. I find it fascinating that someone who claims to believe that one should earn what he gets could be so much against commission enhanced pay and gloated (as many have) about its removal. You say you want people to earn their way while being productive for the company so the idea of being in favor of commission/spiff elimination is quite contradictory. I've tried to climb that ladder while producing results for the big guys on top only to have those same people cut the rungs out of my ladder.
I was never against spiff/comm in general, simply the amount above the market competitive rate that some people were making. If people really want to work in a stressful, cut throat, commission sales environment, then its fine by me. In my opinion, the compensation team just needs to find out what commission %'s would get the "average" specialist to a pay range above CSA, but below DM, somewhere between $30-40K. Of course, if you're a rockstar, then you could sell more, but for a long time, even the crappy appliance specs were making $65K+ around me. That's just nuts.

However, then someone has to be paid to deal with all the squabbling over commissions, and I certainly won't do it.
DMxMD

Gardner, KS

#39 Oct 2, 2012
Spanish Mike Alvarez wrote:
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Exactly. So many Lowe's managers are on the internet instead of doing their jobs. It definately shows up in the morale of the company. If he practiced what he/she preached, he wouldn't have time to post on here.
First, weren't you banned from redvests, and that's why you come troll us now?

Second, I'm salaried, meaning I work my 55+ hrs, but it doesn't mean I can't take a break. If you really look at when I post, its usually on the way home from work or bored on my lunch break, or late at night. I rarely have time to take a break or look at this while at work. I sure don't have time to sit in the office. Office time is limited and rare. I have to save that for when I really need it for emails paperwork, etc. At our store we don't sit in the office. My SM is better than to allow that.
Spanish Mike Alvarez

Schnecksville, PA

#40 Oct 2, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
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First, weren't you banned from redvests, and that's why you come troll us now?
Second, I'm salaried, meaning I work my 55+ hrs, but it doesn't mean I can't take a break. If you really look at when I post, its usually on the way home from work or bored on my lunch break, or late at night. I rarely have time to take a break or look at this while at work. I sure don't have time to sit in the office. Office time is limited and rare. I have to save that for when I really need it for emails paperwork, etc. At our store we don't sit in the office. My SM is better than to allow that.
This guy posts from work. If Lowe's was smart, they would develop a way to track these management people who are wasting company resources. I just sent Lowe's corporate an email, making them aware of this guy on here, now that he admits he is salaried management.

He knows what he is doing is wrong and now the people he fears most in his life (Lowe's Corp) do as well.

Keep us posted on your career DMxMD.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#41 Oct 2, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
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First, weren't you banned from redvests, and that's why you come troll us now?
Second, I'm salaried, meaning I work my 55+ hrs, but it doesn't mean I can't take a break. If you really look at when I post, its usually on the way home from work or bored on my lunch break, or late at night. I rarely have time to take a break or look at this while at work. I sure don't have time to sit in the office. Office time is limited and rare. I have to save that for when I really need it for emails paperwork, etc. At our store we don't sit in the office. My SM is better than to allow that.
We really don't know when people post-there are lots of ways to fool the computer. As a manager, I don't doubt you work 50+ hours-goes with the territory and pay. Most hourlies don't really know what manager does or how long they work. But, I know, and I know there are times when one can take off-with pay as a manager, one can take a longer lunch break--the key, do what it takes to get the job done. Being salaried does have it's perks---otherwise people wouldn't do it.

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