Are the raises this year any different?

Are the raises this year any different?

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DMPay

Manchester, NH

#1 Jan 29, 2013
With PDPs coming up, are the raises this year going to be any different than the pathetic 0-5%? With anyone being promoted or stepping down in the last year going into the PRA, many Specialists or new DMs are making a lot more than people that have been DMs for years. Is Lowes remedying this with the raises this year, or leaving stepping down as the only option for a significant pay raise for DMs?

Since: Oct 11

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#2 Jan 30, 2013
5%=you are one of the lucky one if you got 5%.
partofthesolutio n

Medford, NJ

#3 Jan 30, 2013
DMPay wrote:
With PDPs coming up, are the raises this year going to be any different than the pathetic 0-5%? With anyone being promoted or stepping down in the last year going into the PRA, many Specialists or new DMs are making a lot more than people that have been DMs for years. Is Lowes remedying this with the raises this year, or leaving stepping down as the only option for a significant pay raise for DMs?
Pathetic 5%? That's an amazing raise, no companies have that kind of an increase as a standard %.
FYI, I did hear, if you do not complete your pdp on time, you won't get a raise, though.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#4 Jan 30, 2013
5% from any employer is good, I would hardly call it pathetic.

I know of people that went seven or so years without a raise so to belittle a 5% raise seems ignorant to me.

If you want a larger amount (10%+) then consider moving up.
DMPay

Manchester, NH

#5 Jan 30, 2013
I have had the option of moving up, but wish not to until the company has a more stable management structure.

You can call it ignorant, but my question still hasn't been answered. If no one knows yet that's fine. But when DMs step down and get a $4 an hour raise because they are put in the PRA, something needs corrected and I've heard
rumors of the raises fixing that. If it weren't for this huge gap in pay, yes 5% or even 3% would suffice. But something needs corrected.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#6 Jan 30, 2013
I'd argue that there's always rumors of things here or there during any early part of the year. More than likely we should all know by the end of February at the latest.

I haven't heard of raises if someone steps down. Naturally what can be negotiated during hiring or promotions can be something else.

In terms of huge gaps of pay I think it varies. An old sm of mine left his myloweslife open and everyone in the store knew what he made (not much). I have a good friend that makes roughly the same and he's half the sm's age. Lowe's isn't really competitive with pay for the most part. Other retailers have better pay and conditions and other industries pay more.

When you factor in the loss of spiffs/sos, loss of the stock plan, lowering of budgets, gutting of numbers of new stores, lowering the number of positions, lack of any real training, lack of skills required for the job, lack of requirements for employment etc. It just doesn't look good anymore at least for full time.
lobotomyaisle4

Middletown, DE

#7 Jan 30, 2013
the director of compensation himself said it is possible to get a raise while stepping down bc of the PRA. niblock has this company so fu#cked..
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#8 Jan 30, 2013
Well at the same point supposedly in RI there was a store where a specialist made more than the sm, granted it was all spiffs and sos.

I'd argue that not all stores are the same budget and therefore not the same pay either. Then again if one is in dire straights of someone coming in to turn things around maybe they might throw a bit more as an incentive.
imnotbatman

Saint Albans, WV

#9 Jan 30, 2013
before they took spiff and sos commission away i made about 58k per year as dm of appliances and cabinets. 17 hr and right at 20 k in spiff and commission . our sm at the time made 62k. why would anyone want that job besides their bonus. that was the only upside i saw. with the allowance and ssei a couple times a year, im good with a 2% raise just dont make me salary. i still have the same position.
DM Pay

United States

#10 Jan 30, 2013
Yes, it is a fact that stepping down can get you a raise, and a significant one sometimes. I have seen this first hand with my own eyes.

Since: Dec 12

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#11 Jan 30, 2013
Stepping down can only get you a raise if you are substantially lower than the midpoint of the pay grade. That is the highest the PRA can offer. It will only offer that high if you have substantial experience in a certain field. Lets say a DM of Lumber making $13/hr steps down to be a cabinet specialist. That person was hired at $13/hr because they had very little lumber specific experience. However, lets say they were a cabinet designer at Depot for 10 years before that. They would likely be placed at the midpoint of the specialist pay grade which would be around $16-17/hr. it is deserved because that's what they would have been hired at if they were hired into the correct position for them. The PRA helps encourage people to be in the position that best matches their experience.

The rumors about the PRA are just rumors. The situations where someone got a raise are justified in 99% of the situations I've seen. This dead horse has been beaten and beaten on connections. There are absolutely no plans to run anyone through the PRA unless a qualifying position change takes place. There are no plans to make any wage adjustments to match any imagined increases. If you read the conversation on connections, they provide evidence that the average hourly rate has not changed significantly.

Differences in wage have always existed. From looking through files, I've got DMs paid lower than specialists and people all over the paygrades even before the PRA. Its simply the new convenient target. The PRA just gives more consistency and takes the guesswork out of deciding salary offers.
DM Pay

United States

#12 Jan 30, 2013
That may be so, but it gives management a very good incentive to step down should a specialist position they have experience in open up.

“Bumming a smoke in Fresno”

Since: Feb 13

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#13 Feb 1, 2013
DM Pay wrote:
That may be so, but it gives management a very good incentive to step down should a specialist position they have experience in open up.
Lowes despises unions....I've never been too happy about them either.
But, they did have their place at one time.
DG has psycho DM's? Well,Lowe's does too. We also have psycho SM's and Ops Mgrs. as well. Always telling you what their rules are (contrary to the company policy) and then won't give you the tools to do what they want.
One time a bunch of us red-vests were gathered and talking about something or other and one of the zone managers,(one of the better ones) happened to wander past and mentioned that the bunch of us all clustered up looked like a blood clot....
Some one piped up that we were having a union meeting, and this poor zone mgr turned white as a sheet and said "Don't ever say that word"!!!

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