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FL-Specialist

Palm Coast, FL

#1 Jul 4, 2012
Anybody hear about the "emergency" meeting held on 7/2 for all Store Managers? Not a teleconference, but all at the Market/Region level? In my past, emegency meetings were never about sharing good news.... only bad. What are they going to do to us now to "improve" Lowes?
MDLow

Grandville, MI

#2 Jul 4, 2012
No
SouthStrMgr

United States

#3 Jul 4, 2012
FL-Specialist wrote:
Anybody hear about the "emergency" meeting held on 7/2 for all Store Managers? Not a teleconference, but all at the Market/Region level? In my past, emegency meetings were never about sharing good news.... only bad. What are they going to do to us now to "improve" Lowes?
Nothing in my market, might be just something specific to your market.
DMxMD

Grandview, MO

#4 Jul 4, 2012
Wasn't anything in mine.
guest

United States

#5 Jul 4, 2012
It was about labor relations. Asm is next.
Bird

Brighton, MI

#6 Jul 5, 2012
guest wrote:
It was about labor relations. Asm is next.
What, are they afraid that employees are going to try to unionize?
Rise N Shine

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#7 Jul 5, 2012
Next Tue we have a meeting about Unleash sales potential BMR-5, This week was EOS employee opion
Nochance

Toronto, Canada

#8 Jul 5, 2012
Rise N Shine wrote:
Next Tue we have a meeting about Unleash sales potential BMR-5, This week was EOS employee opion
What is EOS employee option?
Johnny Q

Alpharetta, GA

#9 Jul 5, 2012
employee opinion survey I think
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#10 Jul 5, 2012
Bird I doubt they would to be honest.After they got rid of that variable overtime any calls for it pretty much died out.There isn't that much of a unionized retail workforce to start with.

If this was 30+ years ago I could understand attempts to make it union but if a store tried they'll just bring people from other stores into work. Worse comes to worse they start to sell more online and tell people to go to other stores. A co-op is a better model because it doesn't have this whole "us vs them"mentality
Nochance

Toronto, Canada

#11 Jul 5, 2012
What if all stores went on strike?

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#12 Jul 5, 2012
Nochance wrote:
What if all stores went on strike?
Managers would work bell to bell while they did a mass hiring.
nedm

Bridgewater, MA

#13 Jul 5, 2012
ex is right. Besides the chance of all stores going on strike is pretty low. I heard there was a walkout in some store in CA years ago but nothing came from it.

Strikes generally only work if there is no real way around it. But with retail there's so many other chains and former employees they could call up it would be useless. Maybe cabinent designers could go on strike but that might backfire. I'd argue they were the worst off when the sos/spiffs went away since they don't charge for designs and spend in some cases more than a hour with a customer specifically with designing.
Thatoneguy

Cape Girardeau, MO

#14 Jul 6, 2012
A union in retail just would not work well now. It would not benefit the employees and it does not insure our job security. I was in a union at a book bindery way back in the day and that was probably the most unfair environment i was ever in. People at the same job who were unable to do half of the work i did made twice as much as me and had lower quotas for productivity. How does that work? Seniority in position is not the best option and i am glad the army went away from that. In the miltary when i first got in you were awarded rank for time in service regardless of how well trained or qualified you were which is why we had fat,slow, and uneducated nco's. Now you have to have the training and physical attributes to get rank.
Experienced Manager

Sulphur, LA

#15 Jul 6, 2012
Thatoneguy wrote:
A union in retail just would not work well now. It would not benefit the employees and it does not insure our job security. I was in a union at a book bindery way back in the day and that was probably the most unfair environment i was ever in. People at the same job who were unable to do half of the work i did made twice as much as me and had lower quotas for productivity. How does that work? Seniority in position is not the best option and i am glad the army went away from that. In the miltary when i first got in you were awarded rank for time in service regardless of how well trained or qualified you were which is why we had fat,slow, and uneducated nco's. Now you have to have the training and physical attributes to get rank.
You have no job security now. Seniority or new hire, Lowes goal is to pay you the same, regardless of productivity. Ask yourself a question: If Unions would not have a positive impact for employees, then why do ALL Businesses FEAR them so much? At Lowes and other businesses I have sat through many hours of Anti-Union training. Why? Contact Lowes and tell them you would like to bargain for a pay increase, better benefits, and working conditions. How hard do your think they would laugh? If you had a meeting to discuss the potential benefits of joing a union, so that ya'll could bargain as ONE, and Lowes found out, the proverbial shit would hit the fan. An anti-union team would arrive within hours to try to combat the formation of a union. All of these administrators would be so nice and friendly. If unions would be of absolutely no help to employees then why would Lowes respond in such a manner? Unions are struggling for membership and businesses are trying to crush them. There is a reason for it. Sometime in the future when the working man has had enough, they will once again join together and fight as one. Until that time they will just bow their heads and continue to be taken advantage of. Good Luck!
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#16 Jul 6, 2012
"Ask yourself a question: If Unions would not have a positive impact for employees, then why do ALL Businesses FEAR them so much?"

Because if they get what they want it has to come from somewhere. Not all businesses can afford a union but then again only bad jobs are unionized.

"At Lowes and other businesses I have sat through many hours of Anti-Union training. Why? Contact Lowes and tell them you would like to bargain for a pay increase, better benefits, and working conditions. How hard do your think they would laugh? If you had a meeting to discuss the potential benefits of joing a union, so that ya'll could bargain as ONE, and Lowes found out, the proverbial shit would hit the fan."

Well of course they'd laugh because frankly strikes don't work anymore. Verizon union caved in last year, UPS did long ago..governmental unions cannot go on strike. Even Marx said long ago that unions were pointless.

"An anti-union team would arrive within hours to try to combat the formation of a union. All of these administrators would be so nice and friendly. If unions would be of absolutely no help to employees then why would Lowes respond in such a manner?"

Because they'd ask for more money and frankly created a 2nd tiered boss. You cannot have a dual loyalty within an organization. Just like the same reason why monarchies didn't like Catholics. You have one head of government/rule..that's it. When you answer to two sets of bosses how does that really help anyone? What can the union do for lowes and why would they hire them?

"Unions are struggling for membership and businesses are trying to crush them."

They crush themselves. The NEA membership has dropped by quite an amount in the past five years
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/07/03/NEA...
Keep in mind that most public schools are close shops..there is no one crushing them, they are leaving on their own!

"There is a reason for it. Sometime in the future when the working man has had enough, they will once again join together and fight as one. Until that time they will just bow their heads and continue to be taken advantage of. Good Luck!"

If economic times are good why be part of a union, if economic times are bad why would anyone hire a union? Unions don't sell their work for the most part. If you want people to part of anything you have to advertise. I've seen more ads in my lifetime for Rosetta Stone than any union... If this was pre 1970's..pre osha, pre epa, pre dol and dot I'd say ok...but not now.
Nochance

Toronto, Canada

#17 Jul 7, 2012
Unions came into being to help the working man counteract abusive employment and measly pay. Perpetrated by the rich. Its happening again. The gap between rich and poor is widening again. The middle class is fast disappearin, as are the opportunities for ordinary men and women to earn a half decent wage. Lowes is a prime example of this, where the ordinary man has no voice and just had to sit there and take the poor management and continued assault on their pay. Unions may not be the answer, but on the other hand they may as the only means for ordinary people to react to what is happening to them. What other answer is there?
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#18 Jul 7, 2012
nochance unless the following questions about a union are answered then it won't work.

1) Who specifically would be unionized? Ok loaders, csa's...psa's? pricing? Department managers? Ok at what point should someone NOT be in the union? Should ASM's be in it?

2) Should it be a closed or open shop? A closed shop means everyone must join it and frankly that is illegal in most states in the private sector.

3) Would non union employees get the same bennies as union members? Unions call them free riders but if they do the exact same work why not?

4) If #3 is true then why would anyone join the union?

Keep in mind the volume for stores varies all over the place. I know one that hasn't made payroll from day one. The only reason why they seem to look good is there's a bank and a Chili's practically in the parking lot and a bar with no parking. Lowe's allows overflow parking because it is dead. It always looks like it is half full all the time but it is really empty.

Budgets are made on the store level. You cannot expect the volume of a store in northern maine to be the same as LA, Chicago or Miami. Some stores only operate at a loss for so long and that's why they closed some last last year.

A union has to sell itself because it is one thing to form a union but it is another to actually get a contract signed. I know union members who have spent up to three years without a contract. I know one that had great starting pay but was stuck at that rate union a new contract was signed and it would take years. He left to another place making 20% less and worked his way up now making 40% more. Union might not like it but it was holding him back.

How much of a voice is there in a union if 51% of the union votes to go on strike and 49% don't? Heck what if it is 99% and you are the 1% that didn't want to? What if 51% approve a new contract that you don't like and now you have no choice but to take it.

There are other industries that are doing fine outside of retail. Retail is like a bubble, you don't realize what is happening outside of it until you leave.

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#19 Jul 7, 2012
nedm wrote:
nochance unless the following questions about a union are answered then it won't work.
1) Who specifically would be unionized? Ok loaders, csa's...psa's? pricing? Department managers? Ok at what point should someone NOT be in the union? Should ASM's be in it?
2) Should it be a closed or open shop? A closed shop means everyone must join it and frankly that is illegal in most states in the private sector.
3) Would non union employees get the same bennies as union members? Unions call them free riders but if they do the exact same work why not?
4) If #3 is true then why would anyone join the union?
Keep in mind the volume for stores varies all over the place. I know one that hasn't made payroll from day one. The only reason why they seem to look good is there's a bank and a Chili's practically in the parking lot and a bar with no parking. Lowe's allows overflow parking because it is dead. It always looks like it is half full all the time but it is really empty.
Budgets are made on the store level. You cannot expect the volume of a store in northern maine to be the same as LA, Chicago or Miami. Some stores only operate at a loss for so long and that's why they closed some last last year.
A union has to sell itself because it is one thing to form a union but it is another to actually get a contract signed. I know union members who have spent up to three years without a contract. I know one that had great starting pay but was stuck at that rate union a new contract was signed and it would take years. He left to another place making 20% less and worked his way up now making 40% more. Union might not like it but it was holding him back.
How much of a voice is there in a union if 51% of the union votes to go on strike and 49% don't? Heck what if it is 99% and you are the 1% that didn't want to? What if 51% approve a new contract that you don't like and now you have no choice but to take it.
There are other industries that are doing fine outside of retail. Retail is like a bubble, you don't realize what is happening outside of it until you leave.
Unions were created to help the working person have a safe place to work and be paid a fair wage. In the 70's and 80's there was a big push to involve the employees in solving issues in their work area-in many instances they felt they really had a say. Unions started dying out because there was no point to them-management was creating a safe place to work and paying them a fair wage-in many instances giving the profit sharing. On top of that we had great health insurance--the company was taking care of their employees-they did not need a 3rd party negotiating for them.

The tables are turning again, workers cannot make a living wage because of the corporate greed. Health insurance is not very good and costs a lot of money. There is no job satisfaction or security--employees are just a number to a group of shareholders who probably have never stepped foot in the company they manage.

Lowes falls into this category-the people at the top of the pyramid keeps taking more and more money and paying their employees peanuts, crumbs from their table. They do not care about us or for us...we are an end to their means....money. If we quit they will hire another warm blooded person and send them through LLC, then throw them onto the floor to fend for themselves.

What choice do we have? Not many-jobs are hard to come by and personally, working at Lowes is better than unemployment.

Every company deserves a Union scare to keep them honest and to provide for their employees. If companies have a union it is because management sucks-they are not paying their employees fairly or treating them fairly. But, unions are not the answer.
A change of management philosophy and action is the answer.
Nochance

Toronto, Canada

#20 Jul 7, 2012
Yes, I agree that is the answer but it will never happen. As we have seen corporate greed doesn't go away until it goes over the top and they get fired for incompetence or arrested for something illegal. We can only hope!

We, as the working man, should wake up, smell the roses and do something.

Unfortunately, it will never happen either, there are too many snitches and brown noses in this company.

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