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DMxMD

United States

#1 Jul 21, 2012
Has anyone read the discussion on connections about the 4-day work week for specialists? I'm thinking about trying this with my 6 specialists. Thoughts or comments? Instead of doing s rotation for days off, I was thinking of making it so they had set days off. Just a thought.

Since: Oct 11

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#2 Jul 21, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
Has anyone read the discussion on connections about the 4-day work week for specialists? I'm thinking about trying this with my 6 specialists. Thoughts or comments? Instead of doing s rotation for days off, I was thinking of making it so they had set days off. Just a thought.
Think it's a great idea!
Peter Cottontail

San Jose, CA

#3 Jul 21, 2012
Uh, you don't have the power to do so. Even if you did you'd have to get the specialist to agree to such shifts.
DMxMD

Gardner, KS

#4 Jul 22, 2012
I love it when someone tells me what I can or cannot do. I take it as a personal challenge. Per corporate, scheduling is at the discretion of the store management and ultimately the SM. Mark Davis director of staffing and labor management recently said the corp schedules were only guidelines, and he thought it was time to change the name of them, because people mistake them for corp mandates. He added that there are "very few" guard rails for store management when it comes to scheduling.

That being said, I plan to sit down with my specialists as a group and explain the options, then let them decide unanimously if they want to try it. Of course, SM approval is all I really need, but I am doing this for my team. There's no reason to not have them involved.
FormerSM

Fort Wayne, IN

#5 Jul 22, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
I love it when someone tells me what I can or cannot do. I take it as a personal challenge. Per corporate, scheduling is at the discretion of the store management and ultimately the SM. Mark Davis director of staffing and labor management recently said the corp schedules were only guidelines, and he thought it was time to change the name of them, because people mistake them for corp mandates. He added that there are "very few" guard rails for store management when it comes to scheduling.
That being said, I plan to sit down with my specialists as a group and explain the options, then let them decide unanimously if they want to try it. Of course, SM approval is all I really need, but I am doing this for my team. There's no reason to not have them involved.
You are correct. I'll tell all of the posters on this site a little secret........if there is one thing that lowes wishes it had never done it was create a corporate schedule. This was from an SVPs own mouth. It WILL go away...count on it. Managers are told from day one that it is only to be used as a guideline. The needs of the business always come first. And for all of you complainers....open availability means just that. I totally support a schedule posted 2-3 weeks in advance but past that, this is retail. You get no sympathy. Not because I don't care, but because you knew it going in. And don't tell me you were promised a guaranteed rotating schedule. Most of you would have taken the job without it. If not, you wouldn't have applied because the ads/postings should don't talk about a set schedule.
Current Employee

Enid, OK

#6 Jul 22, 2012
4 ten hr days and 3 days off for specialists? set schedule? HELL YES DMxMD!
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#7 Jul 22, 2012
@FormerSM that's something I'd like to ask you. Does corporate ever clamp down on deviations from the corporate schedule? Is there anything specific of open availability in writing? I ask because it does not apply in MA or VT with the days of rest law. I have seen some (including myself) working ten days in a row. Week 1 two off working the next five, week 2 working five and then two off. Violations can be pretty expensive (about 1k each) so it largely ended.

At one point my old store had three cabinet specialists. One like to open, one liked midshifts and one liked to close. Perfect...until the ops said we HAD to work corporate schedule. It is hard to justify to the customer as to why they cannot see the same employees around the same times.

Meanwhile I know some that became PSA's, rtm, credit/sos and pricing because the schedule was "fixed". To argue that hours cannot be fixed kinda goes against other retailers and history. In my area Sears has slowed to the point where they close at 8pm now. If they do it why can't lowes?
Matrix

Longmont, CO

#8 Jul 22, 2012
Were I still a specialist Id jump all over a 4, 10 hour days to have 3 days off. Most of the time you end up trying to comp hours from staying late anyway.
Also everything with the exclusions of safety and general common sense are up to SM discretion. Thats why most associates have full availablility. DUh!!!!
Captain_Morgan02

Marshville, NC

#9 Jul 22, 2012
FormerSM wrote:
<quoted text>You are correct. I'll tell all of the posters on this site a little secret........if there is one thing that lowes wishes it had never done it was create a corporate schedule. This was from an SVPs own mouth. It WILL go away...count on it. Managers are told from day one that it is only to be used as a guideline. The needs of the business always come first. And for all of you complainers....open availability means just that. I totally support a schedule posted 2-3 weeks in advance but past that, this is retail. You get no sympathy. Not because I don't care, but because you knew it going in. And don't tell me you were promised a guaranteed rotating schedule. Most of you would have taken the job without it. If not, you wouldn't have applied because the ads/postings should don't talk about a set schedule.
What do you say about stores who can't manage to get schedules posted until the week before? The first store I worked in was good at keeping 3 posted (current week and following 2) until they did away with the boards in the break room. My last store and current store have never had more than the current week and the next week.
Matrix

United States

#10 Jul 22, 2012
Captain_Morgan02 wrote:
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What do you say about stores who can't manage to get schedules posted until the week before? The first store I worked in was good at keeping 3 posted (current week and following 2) until they did away with the boards in the break room. My last store and current store have never had more than the current week and the next week.
thats why we now have kronos. It has to be input 3 weeks ahead
Captain_Morgan02

Marshville, NC

#11 Jul 22, 2012
Matrix wrote:
<quoted text>thats why we now have kronos. It has to be input 3 weeks ahead
Wrong. We are on Kronos and it hasn't changed anything.
Johnny Q

Waconia, MN

#12 Jul 23, 2012
I would love it.
Peter Cottontail

United States

#13 Jul 23, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
I love it when someone tells me what I can or cannot do. I take it as a personal challenge. Per corporate, scheduling is at the discretion of the store management and ultimately the SM. Mark Davis director of staffing and labor management recently said the corp schedules were only guidelines, and he thought it was time to change the name of them, because people mistake them for corp mandates. He added that there are "very few" guard rails for store management when it comes to scheduling.
That being said, I plan to sit down with my specialists as a group and explain the options, then let them decide unanimously if they want to try it. Of course, SM approval is all I really need, but I am doing this for my team. There's no reason to not have them involved.
I'm glad you take this on as a challenge, that's funny! I did not indicate that you couldn't do it. I just said you do not have the power. Explaining how you do not have the power is by having your specialists agree to the shift change. If they disagree I'd bet you would not change the shifts which shows you do not have the power. I'm sure they would agree! Hell, I wouldn't mind it myself. However there will always be the one to disagree and we all know happy employees equals happy customers.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#14 Jul 23, 2012
Peter Cottontail wrote:
<quoted text> I'm glad you take this on as a challenge, that's funny! I did not indicate that you couldn't do it. I just said you do not have the power. Explaining how you do not have the power is by having your specialists agree to the shift change. If they disagree I'd bet you would not change the shifts which shows you do not have the power. I'm sure they would agree! Hell, I wouldn't mind it myself. However there will always be the one to disagree and we all know happy employees equals happy customers.
..."happy employees equals happy customers." Our store management doesn't understand that.
Nochance

Toronto, Canada

#15 Jul 23, 2012
Pedro Rodriquez wrote:
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..."happy employees equals happy customers." Our store management doesn't understand that.
Quite true!
Matrix

United States

#16 Jul 23, 2012
If your kronos schedule isnt 3 weeks out your management team is manually overriding the parameters set for each position. Which is common in smaller stores or mismanaged stores.
Captain_Morgan02

Marshville, NC

#17 Jul 23, 2012
Matrix wrote:
If your kronos schedule isnt 3 weeks out your management team is manually overriding the parameters set for each position. Which is common in smaller stores or mismanaged stores.
Both.:(

Since: Mar 12

Clarksville, TN

#18 Jul 24, 2012
If my store manager offered me 4 10s with 3 off, I would definitely go for it. The only thing I would ask is the 4 days working were all during selling hours, not 1 or 2 hours before or after closing.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#19 Jul 24, 2012
I can see this. Probably require friday and the weekend with some rotating monday-wens. Thursdays are always slow here
Matrix

United States

#20 Jul 24, 2012
Captain_Morgan02 wrote:
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Both.:(
I feel your pain on a daily basis!

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