Are the SM standards too low?
Bunkers Hole

Bluefield, VA

#64 Jun 18, 2012
nedm… the evidence, and it’s pretty compelling, is that your interest in a company that you previously worked for, years ago, goes far beyond normal for someone who has moved on to better opportunities. There is just too much Lowe’s bitterness that remains on your part if this relationship ended with a celebration cake. But, I accept that perhaps we frame “normal” in a far different way, which is fine.

Latest example… you just posted “bunker I left them they didn’t terminate me”. Using the language “them” is very personal… most highly educated people, like you, would have written “I left Lowe’s”. There is something very different about your relationship with this company.

Can you please help me understand? Just answer 5 simple questions that will not reveal your identity, if that scares you…

How long did you work at Lowe’s?
What department(s)?
What level did you reach (job title)?
Did you like working at Lowe’s?
Are you currently employed?

Thank you for your consideration.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#65 Jun 18, 2012
No that is not very personal. I left the company just for the same reasons why most do, they found better opportunities.

Did I like working there? It was ok. Coworkers were great but the outright management at the top doesn't work well and frankly I can make more money at other places that have more opportunity.

The reason why I have an interest is frankly because here in the northeast the company went on a tear opening up stores left and right over the past 12 or so years. Being part of the community generally I like to have my fingers on the pulse of businesses around the area, non profits and governmental affairs. We monitor many other organizations, this is just one of them. You also are assuming I am one person. It is a team effort really to keep things in check.

Given that the closings lowes has made (and cancellations of new stores) have been mostly in the north east it makes sense to monitor them.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#66 Jun 18, 2012
"Think about it, someone with a bachelor's degree will have to learn through trial and error and training, how to be a good, efficient realtor, in other words, what a person with 4 years experience already knows (supposedly not good enough)."

That's not what the ad suggests. A four year degree to them is equal to 5-7 years experience.

"A person with 4 years experience selling homes will be ready to take the job with confidence."

Based on what?

"The person with 4 years experience will have a much better idea what it takes, how to sell, be able to read the customers, what paperwork needs to be completed, be prepared ahead of time, and.... be in less of a position to bail, since they don't have a degree, to another, higher paying job in another field."

So people don't sell in college in writing papers trying to convince professors and others of their work? Please. Selling is a basic, we all do it.

"So again, if they have to be trained anyways, then what advantage does a person with a degree have over a person without one?"

Because businesses generally don't want to have to train people. Otherwise they wouldn't list requirements to start with!

"How is the person with a degree in a better position to succeed than a person with 4 years experience in the field the job lies in? This is what does not make sense to me. It's a job, a profession, a living."

Call up the company in question and ask. It is the market that makes it that way not you or me.

" it isn't rocket science, it is a damn job!"

Rocket science IS a job I have a friend that has worked at JPL.

"A degree will not give you valuable experience that people who are being shunned for jobs today already have. Plain and simple, it is a waste of time, money, and valuable people's time to "have" to go to college just to acquire a simple job in our country today. I think most people will agree."

OK so how do you convince employers of that given that it is the market that decides that. What is easier to confirm a degree or experience from some other employer with standards and methods that only apply to themselves? Do you think that experience in using Genesis has validity to other employers?

If they valued experience they'd ask for more of it. So how exactly do you get the job without experience and how do you get the experience without the job?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#67 Jun 18, 2012
Bunkers Hole wrote:
nedm… the evidence, and it’s pretty compelling, is that your interest in a company that you previously worked for, years ago, goes far beyond normal for someone who has moved on to better opportunities. There is just too much Lowe’s bitterness that remains on your part if this relationship ended with a celebration cake. But, I accept that perhaps we frame “normal” in a far different way, which is fine.
Latest example… you just posted “bunker I left them they didn’t terminate me”. Using the language “them” is very personal… most highly educated people, like you, would have written “I left Lowe’s”. There is something very different about your relationship with this company.
Can you please help me understand? Just answer 5 simple questions that will not reveal your identity, if that scares you…
How long did you work at Lowe’s?
What department(s)?
What level did you reach (job title)?
Did you like working at Lowe’s?
Are you currently employed?
Thank you for your consideration.
Never give a monkey a shotgun.
Bunkers Hole

Bluefield, VA

#68 Jun 18, 2012
nedm, you are habitual at posting lengthy opinions and facts (as perceived by you), digging deep into topics that hold little interest to others… yet are incapable of answering 5 direct, and very elementary, questions that may be of interest to other posters. Why? I’m trying to understand your background and where you are coming from. 4 unanswered questions remain:

How long did you work at Lowe’s?
What department(s)?
What level did you reach (job title)?
Are you currently employed?

Man up nedm…“them” don’t care about you. Trust me, Lowe's has moved on without you...
nedm

Bridgewater, MA

#69 Jun 18, 2012
3.5 years
varying ones - Lumber, hardware/tools, electrical, indoor seasonal
Team Leader although technically I was sought for hr issues. When you can pull policy it helps :-p

I wouldn't say "them" but the company is afraid of image issues. Consumerist.org is a clear indication that employees are.

I've actually contacted some higher ups (beyond SM...MD...heck even Niblock) and received detail responses.

As for work yes I have work.

the reason why I can detail things is because I have a few degrees. Just as I'm sure any specialist here could say details about every product line they sell.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#70 Jun 18, 2012
nedm wrote:
3.5 years
varying ones - Lumber, hardware/tools, electrical, indoor seasonal
Team Leader although technically I was sought for hr issues. When you can pull policy it helps :-p
I wouldn't say "them" but the company is afraid of image issues. Consumerist.org is a clear indication that employees are.
I've actually contacted some higher ups (beyond SM...MD...heck even Niblock) and received detail responses.
As for work yes I have work.
the reason why I can detail things is because I have a few degrees. Just as I'm sure any specialist here could say details about every product line they sell.
How one obtains multiple dgrees without a hint of grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, or spelling is scary. Are these legit degrees or off cereal boxes? Is English your first language? If so, consider switching.
nedm

Bridgewater, MA

#71 Jun 18, 2012
"How one obtains multiple dgrees without a hint of grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, or spelling is scary"

It's degrees.

Obviously there is a higher incentive to perform in classes of which that I pay money to attend then a free website of which there are people that might never actually deal with in real life.

Yes legit degrees. English is my primary language. I also know some French, took a semester of Chinese (Manderine), have books on Arabic and have some music in German (Dschantis Khan and Sisters of Mercy mostly). I also have a ESL certificate and I'm at some of the boards there as well.

What IS scary is that it seems that no one really wants to admit that there are better opportunities in other organizations.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#72 Jun 18, 2012
It's Mandarin. BTW, mine was a typo, yours sheer ignorance.

Personally I think you're lying about most everything you say, other than Googled links. You're professing to be something(s) you're not and frankly delusional. Why you picked Lowes to spew about is a tough questions, but my guess is you worked there as a CSA, asked out a cashier and she/he rejected you.

Anyhoo, I've wasted enough time with you, my fault, not yours, so adios!

PS - Sisters of Mercy makes sense. I had 'em too. Saw them totally mess up more than 1 kid's fragile psyche.
Bunkers Hole

Bluefield, VA

#73 Jun 18, 2012
Thank you for sharing nedm. I hope your future is bright in whatever field you are exploring. Try to lighten up a bit, it may help you along the way… for whatever it’s worth.

ex, you crack me up… I really enjoy reading your posts.

Done with nedm on my end as well.
CurrentlyEmploye datLowes

Enid, OK

#74 Jun 18, 2012
Wait, wait!!

one more thing re:nedm...

I scan past everything he writes. However B. Hole's "nedm questionnaire" was intriguing, so I paused to attempt to read nedm's response (or lack-thereof). Did anyone else catch this blurb- and what strange psychological implications might it hold?

".........generally I like to have my fingers on the pulse of businesses around the area, non profits and governmental affairs. We monitor many other organizations, this is just one of them. You also are assuming I am one person. It is a team effort really to keep things in check."

it is not a person.
it is a team.
it is a corporation?
it struggles to keep things in check.
its' hands must be full, oh so full!
poor nedms,poor poor nedms.

"Where would you be without me, Smeagul? I saved us! It was me! We survived because of me!Gollum, gollum"
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#75 Jun 18, 2012
"Personally I think you're lying about most everything you say, other than Googled links. You're professing to be something(s) you're not and frankly delusional. Why you picked Lowes to spew about is a tough questions, but my guess is you worked there as a CSA, asked out a cashier and she/he rejected you."

No I'm not lying. I stated months ago I had a number of degrees and nothing was said in response. What specifically would you want as proof anyway? If I gave any you would probably dismiss it. You seem like the stalking type so I rather not.

No sorry I never asked out a cashier. It isn't wise to go out with people from work anyway. I saw too much drama around those that would date coworkers and frankly it just didn't appeal to me.

"PS - Sisters of Mercy makes sense. I had 'em too. Saw them totally mess up more than 1 kid's fragile psyche."

Decent 80's band. Have to give props to anyone that could combine Terri Nunn and Ofra Haza on one album.
Obama

United States

#76 Jun 18, 2012
"Because businesses generally don't want to have to train people. Otherwise they wouldn't list requirements to start with"

But someone with a liberal arts degree has no experience selling homes, they will have to be trained and gain experience, while a person with 4 years experience, just under the 5-7 year requirement, will have experience selling homes, much more than a person with a degree and no realty experience has anyways.

"So people don't sell in college in writing papers trying to convince professors and others of their work? Please. Selling is a basic, we all do it."

So, you are saying that anyone can just jump into realty and know everything there is to know about selling homes? It's a whole lot harder than selling cars, appliances, clothing etc. There is a lot more legal work and paperwork to consider. Plus, you are trying to convince someone to spend six or seven figures, takes a lot of experience, work, and knowledge. Besides, I taught my sister how to write, she is working on her second masters degree in the medical field. I know full well that it is usually much easier when you have time to go over drafts, etc and re-word sentences and paragraphs. Much easier than having to sell something in the heat of the moment. At least to me it is.

"OK so how do you convince employers of that given that it is the market that decides that. What is easier to confirm a degree or experience from some other employer with standards and methods that only apply to themselves? Do you think that experience in using Genesis has validity to other employers?"

I would think that after several interviews and say a trial period, an employer would know full well whether or not an employee fits the mold they are looking for. Completing a degree is not going to show this. Again, a Bachelor's degree in liberal arts isn't going to prove that you fit the company standards at all, only the interview process and a trial period will.
Bird

United States

#77 Jun 18, 2012
Oops, sorry, I forgot to change my name back from the "who would you vote for page".
realistassociate

Anniston, AL

#78 Jun 18, 2012
Nedm- It's time to move on there buddy. All your ranter is just plain old bitterness. Your comments mean as much as a terd on a plastic spoon. Yea---not even SHIT. Why don't you tiny url that...
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#79 Jun 18, 2012
"But someone with a liberal arts degree has no experience selling homes, they will have to be trained and gain experience, while a person with 4 years experience, just under the 5-7 year requirement, will have experience selling homes, much more than a person with a degree and no realty experience has anyways."

But again though consider the ease here. To get a license to sell real estate is basically a three hour class. I know people personally that have one. So why would anyone want to put in 5-7 years into something if they can get in the door with four?

"So, you are saying that anyone can just jump into realty and know everything there is to know about selling homes? It's a whole lot harder than selling cars, appliances, clothing etc. There is a lot more legal work and paperwork to consider. Plus, you are trying to convince someone to spend six or seven figures, takes a lot of experience, work, and knowledge."

I think we may have chosen the wrong industry. There is quite an amount of fraud within housing. I would recommend the site patrick.net to illustrate the mounds of information that detail this.

"Besides, I taught my sister how to write, she is working on her second masters degree in the medical field. I know full well that it is usually much easier when you have time to go over drafts, etc and re-word sentences and paragraphs. Much easier than having to sell something in the heat of the moment. At least to me it is."

Drafts on anything are usually looked over by a number of people. Proofreading on any subject helps.

"I would think that after several interviews and say a trial period, an employer would know full well whether or not an employee fits the mold they are looking for. Completing a degree is not going to show this. Again, a Bachelor's degree in liberal arts isn't going to prove that you fit the company standards at all, only the interview process and a trial period will."

But I think you are making an assumption. It is the market that dictates this. Certainly requirements can go up and down. What ads tell us is asking prices and not selling prices.If they cannot get what they want is generally better to lower standards then to have something stay empty for a long period of time (for degrees and experience).

As I mentioned before in Mass nearly 40% have a bachelors degree so it doesn't stand out as much as in other areas of the country. We have quite a number of schools so it is pretty much a baseline here like high school was decades ago in the rest of the country.

The way I see it is this. If a company increases its standards by asking for even an associates then it is easier to simply earn that before working. Experience can be found working in the industry but if you cannot find work then education would be the other outlet. Not all have the same value for each degree vs experience but usually there is some matrix of a breakdown.
Spanish Mike Alvarez

Schnecksville, PA

#80 Sep 5, 2012
Cablowes wrote:
There is no training programs. As far as corp keeping the sms under tight reign that is a load of bs. Mine don't fallow policy! If your. It part of his circle he will make it his mission to get you out.
It's spelled "follow".

The rest of the errors in your post would take too long to explain and I seriously doubt you would understand your mistakes anyway.

Before calling nedm an idiot, you might want to invest in a dictionary.

The Mooresville IP pretty much explains it, doesn't it?
cuban mike

Mooresville, NC

#81 Sep 8, 2012
Spanish Mike Alvarez wrote:
<quoted text>
It's spelled "follow".
The rest of the errors in your post would take too long to explain and I seriously doubt you would understand your mistakes anyway.
Before calling nedm an idiot, you might want to invest in a dictionary.
The Mooresville IP pretty much explains it, doesn't it?
which hand do you use while jerking nedm off? And does his mom's mouth get in your way?? You're a moron, it has that ip because they are posting from a store!!( Derrr, how many?? spanish mike asks, while wiping away the chin drool) Are you nedm's alter ego??
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#82 Sep 8, 2012
Cuban um...grow up.
Cuban Mike

Mooresville, NC

#83 Sep 9, 2012
nedm wrote:
Cuban um...grow up.
Nedm um... no! You show you immaturity through your constant links, google references, supposed life experiences and obsession for a company that you no longer work for. I show mine by pointing yours out. Now shut up and get me a juice box!

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