Changing employees schedules !!!!

Changing employees schedules !!!!

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Neidermeir99

Milford, OH

#1 Jul 21, 2012
I would like some input on how an employees schedule can be posted or even better vacation be scheduled for months in advance and a member of the senior management staff can click a button and you receive an e mail that your schedule has changed. Once that schedule is posted I believe that they have to ask the associate if they are willing to change their schedule, not just change it and then notify them via e mail. Then you are told it is not negotiable that it was changed for the store to have coverage. Then you are told that you are now scheduled to work, your plans don"t matter and you will be at work or else. This really motivates me to go the extra mile for the enterprise.........
Furby

Mooresville, NC

#2 Jul 21, 2012
First thing you need is documentation that your vacation was approved, once you have that contact your HR or if necessary your Area HR.

If you have documentation then go on your vacation, if they try to fire you for not showing up for your "scheduled" shift you can sue for wrongful termination.
wtf 1

United States

#3 Jul 21, 2012
Neidermeir99 wrote:
I would like some input on how an employees schedule can be posted or even better vacation be scheduled for months in advance and a member of the senior management staff can click a button and you receive an e mail that your schedule has changed. Once that schedule is posted I believe that they have to ask the associate if they are willing to change their schedule, not just change it and then notify them via e mail. Then you are told it is not negotiable that it was changed for the store to have coverage. Then you are told that you are now scheduled to work, your plans don"t matter and you will be at work or else. This really motivates me to go the extra mile for the enterprise.........
aren't we all on KRONOS. For me I always make copies or print from KRONOS once it gets approve.
DMxMD

Gardner, KS

#4 Jul 21, 2012
Have you tried just talking to them? I think there must be more to the story if they backed out of your approval. That's not something we would ever do usually. Are you trying to do that trick where you take a couple well placed vacation days and you end up with 7 in a row off because of the rotation? We've turned people down for trying to do that. 3 weeks of vacation and personal holidays can turn into a week off every month. That wrecks havoc on a schedule.
the only way

Mooresville, NC

#5 Jul 21, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
Have you tried just talking to them? I think there must be more to the story if they backed out of your approval. That's not something we would ever do usually. Are you trying to do that trick where you take a couple well placed vacation days and you end up with 7 in a row off because of the rotation? We've turned people down for trying to do that. 3 weeks of vacation and personal holidays can turn into a week off every month. That wrecks havoc on a schedule.
taking 7 days is perfectly ok. you are allowed up to 9 in a row. as far as affecting coverage, that is the reason for the 30 day notice
Peter Cottontail

San Jose, CA

#6 Jul 21, 2012
There must be some kind of misunderstanding. You DO have an email notification stating you were approved. Print it and talk to them. If they say, "oh well ", then you work with assholes and should take the matter to Regional HR. As far as what DMxMD says about well placed vacation days, he is wrong. You should be able to request 3 days of vacation in between your short weeks thus warranting you a decent amount of time off during the year. That is why you must give the month notice. That vacation is yours and you worked for it. I like how some managers dangle it in your face as if you must work for it even more.
red

Bourbonnais, IL

#7 Jul 21, 2012
I had a dept. manager who gave the schedule to a pt csa to do are schedule in paint and home decor, she would work it to her advantage and that of 2 of her girlfriends, that worked in the depts.And it was still going on after ,the assoc.went fulltime psa.what gives a csa or a psa the right to do the schedules,because your dept manager does not want to deal with it.this was happening for a couple years.Still could be but I dont work for lowes anymore.Went to managment but nothing was done.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#8 Jul 21, 2012
Peter is right. Besides if a place cannot plan a schedule then it will backfire during walks.
the only way

Mooresville, NC

#9 Jul 21, 2012
"Beasides if a place cannot plan a schedule then it will backfire during walks. WTF is that suppose to mean?(retorical question)
If you are talking about a visit from an employee outside of the store such as a district manager even you must know that no one except salaried ppl give a damn. If you were capable of lasting in a retail environment you would know that customer service is the priority of the business. From an employee's perspective a paycheck and being treated fairly is as equally important. I know you won't understand this but sometimes it's better to say nothing and be thought the fool than it is to open you mouth and remove all doubt.
DMxMD

United States

#10 Jul 21, 2012
You are given two or three weeks of vacation. You are not given 1 week every month for the whole busy season. Common misconception. You can plan your vacation 30 days out trying to use the three day trick, and you can also be scheduled for diferent days off that week when it comes time to write the schedule. You are supposed to request vacation as consecutive days off, not one day this week and two days the next. That's cheating the system and making work more difficult for your whole department that has to pick up your slack.

Since: Oct 11

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#11 Jul 21, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
You are given two or three weeks of vacation. You are not given 1 week every month for the whole busy season. Common misconception. You can plan your vacation 30 days out trying to use the three day trick, and you can also be scheduled for diferent days off that week when it comes time to write the schedule. You are supposed to request vacation as consecutive days off, not one day this week and two days the next. That's cheating the system and making work more difficult for your whole department that has to pick up your slack.
Cheating the system....really. It is my vacation, which I have earned and I cannot decide how to take it? We work holidays for the company for straight time...If I request 1 or 2 days off 30 days in advance then it is their problem if they cannot figure out how to staff it. It is no wonder people call in sick when they really aren't sick but only want a day off.
WOW

Medina, TN

#12 Jul 22, 2012
Neidermeir99 wrote:
I would like some input on how an employees schedule can be posted or even better vacation be scheduled for months in advance and a member of the senior management staff can click a button and you receive an e mail that your schedule has changed. Once that schedule is posted I believe that they have to ask the associate if they are willing to change their schedule, not just change it and then notify them via e mail. Then you are told it is not negotiable that it was changed for the store to have coverage. Then you are told that you are now scheduled to work, your plans don"t matter and you will be at work or else. This really motivates me to go the extra mile for the enterprise.........
I have worked for Lowe's for fifteen years and can tell you what the policy is on vacations and changing posted schedules as well as approved vacations.
Your schedule cannot be changed once posted without your permission. Same with an approved vacation.
The vacation policy allows you to break up one week of your vacation and take it in increments. For example if you get three weeks vacation then you have to take two full weeks and can break up one week by day(s).
Some people have suggested that you should go and talk to regional HR. I suggest you follow your chain of command and if you have to take it that far then so be it. Talk to your ASM then your store manager. If this does not satisfy you go to your HR manager then start with market staff, area HR or your MD.
8 more hrs

Mooresville, NC

#13 Jul 22, 2012
here we go 8 more hrs then off 2 days-3 days vaca-off 2 days,,,that's what i worked for,,,a small thing to ask in exchange for working holidays, closing/opening, a week of closings, etc. once it's accepted they just have to deal with it
FormerSM

Fort Wayne, IN

#14 Jul 22, 2012
WOW wrote:
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I have worked for Lowe's for fifteen years and can tell you what the policy is on vacations and changing posted schedules as well as approved vacations.
Your schedule cannot be changed once posted without your permission. Same with an approved vacation.
The vacation policy allows you to break up one week of your vacation and take it in increments. For example if you get three weeks vacation then you have to take two full weeks and can break up one week by day(s).
Some people have suggested that you should go and talk to regional HR. I suggest you follow your chain of command and if you have to take it that far then so be it. Talk to your ASM then your store manager. If this does not satisfy you go to your HR manager then start with market staff, area HR or your MD.
You are incorrect. There is not a directive/policy//mandate or law that says you can not change the schedule without the associates permission once it's posted. If you can find it in print in Lowes policy......prove it. Is it a good idea to change schedules ? No. It's unfair and bad for morale. In my years as an SM , I did it maybe 2or 3 times because of an urgent need. I hated it and felt terrible but had no choice.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#15 Jul 22, 2012
FormerSM wrote:
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You are incorrect. There is not a directive/policy//mandate or law that says you can not change the schedule without the associates permission once it's posted. If you can find it in print in Lowes policy......prove it. Is it a good idea to change schedules ? No. It's unfair and bad for morale. In my years as an SM , I did it maybe 2or 3 times because of an urgent need. I hated it and felt terrible but had no choice.
So, I am on my approved vacation and I come back to see my schedule has changed while I was gone---do I get written up because I did not come in on my vacation? I make copies of my schedule each week so I have proof my days were approved so if they change it while I am gone I can fight it. It is not right to change a schedule without the employees permission. I owned a business and would not of dreamed of doing this unless they said it was ok.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#16 Jul 22, 2012
"If you are talking about a visit from an employee outside of the store such as a district manager even you must know that no one except salaried ppl give a damn."

And that is what I was referring to. I've seen district go ballistic because the sm did not staff enough people in oslg. Apparently the sm messed with the schedule. I remember the dept manager of oslg had friday off and saturday and to come in on sunday. Friday they changed the next week for him to come in saturday and sunday off. SM never explained why he was making these changes and ticked everyone off. After we pulled policy he was gone a few months later.

Like I said before corporate states policies that end up like the old game telephone. SVP's tell RVP's which tell market managers and then store managers. There's no feedback mechanism from corporate to assure them that everything is being done properly...except for walks. Every time I have seen a walk store management is scared. They call up other managers in other stores asking where they were and where they are going. It's like watching a group of teenagers having a party when the parents get home.

"If you were capable of lasting in a retail environment you would know that customer service is the priority of the business."

Um bubba I DID last. I moved on to better things. At the way things are going does anyone actually want to work at lowes if they can get paid more at another or get better conditions within another area?

Customer service can be a priority but obviously if the place is not profitable then it fails. HQ had great customer service as did builders square and home base. But all three are closed because they did not make enough money.

"From an employee's perspective a paycheck and being treated fairly is as equally important. I know you won't understand this but sometimes it's better to say nothing and be thought the fool than it is to open you mouth and remove all doubt."

Nice proverbs. Of course I understand. It would also make more sense that there are lifeboats to get off of the Titanic but you rather drown.
outer limits

Mooresville, NC

#17 Jul 22, 2012
nedm wrote:
"If you are talking about a visit from an employee outside of the store such as a district manager even you must know that no one except salaried ppl give a damn."
And that is what I was referring to. I've seen district go ballistic because the sm did not staff enough people in oslg. Apparently the sm messed with the schedule. I remember the dept manager of oslg had friday off and saturday and to come in on sunday. Friday they changed the next week for him to come in saturday and sunday off. SM never explained why he was making these changes and ticked everyone off. After we pulled policy he was gone a few months later.
Like I said before corporate states policies that end up like the old game telephone. SVP's tell RVP's which tell market managers and then store managers. There's no feedback mechanism from corporate to assure them that everything is being done properly...except for walks. Every time I have seen a walk store management is scared. They call up other managers in other stores asking where they were and where they are going. It's like watching a group of teenagers having a party when the parents get home.
"If you were capable of lasting in a retail environment you would know that customer service is the priority of the business."
Um bubba I DID last. I moved on to better things. At the way things are going does anyone actually want to work at lowes if they can get paid more at another or get better conditions within another area?
Customer service can be a priority but obviously if the place is not profitable then it fails. HQ had great customer service as did builders square and home base. But all three are closed because they did not make enough money.
"From an employee's perspective a paycheck and being treated fairly is as equally important. I know you won't understand this but sometimes it's better to say nothing and be thought the fool than it is to open you mouth and remove all doubt."
Nice proverbs. Of course I understand. It would also make more sense that there are lifeboats to get off of the Titanic but you rather drown.
Wow,,,In your world is there anyone you can decipher and or comprehend the ramblings. you are veering off the topic again. the only thing that makes sense was your intimation that it's better to get paid more and work in desireable conditions. If that is where you are at then good for you but stop being a negative, annoying little prick
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#18 Jul 22, 2012
How about you address the content rather than do an attack.

How exactly am I negative if I am stating the truth? The company has been going downhill for years now. It isn't the only one but obviously there are many that still work there.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#19 Jul 22, 2012
nedm wrote:
How about you address the content rather than do an attack.
How exactly am I negative if I am stating the truth? The company has been going downhill for years now. It isn't the only one but obviously there are many that still work there.
Nedm, why don't you tell us what you're doing for a living now? I've asked before, but you refuse to answer. You're not in prison are you?
twilight zone

Mooresville, NC

#20 Jul 22, 2012
nedm wrote:
How about you address the content rather than do an attack.
How exactly am I negative if I am stating the truth? The company has been going downhill for years now. It isn't the only one but obviously there are many that still work there.
you offer nothing constructive, just alot of jackass opinions and babble like this "It isn't the only one but obviously there are many that still work there" it's like your heavily medicated or in dire need of your meds. i can't tell which.
What do you do for a living ?

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