If Lowes really did go salary for DM'...

If Lowes really did go salary for DM's, would you stay?

Created by DMs going salary on Feb 28, 2012

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Curious-Anxious

Canton, OH

#1 Feb 28, 2012
I would stay until I found another job, which would have to be quick!! I couldn't afford to just quit! If they worked us 50 hours a week, even with a 2.5-3% increase for going salary, I'd be really losing more than $3/hour...Screw that, especially when I don't make shit to begin with! I have young children who I already don't get to see as much !!! My ASM and I oversee the same 6 departments,I do over 10x's the work and she makes twice as much! I mean wtf?!?! Good employers are hard to come by it seems...
Thatoneguy

Cape Girardeau, MO

#2 Feb 28, 2012
I would stay. Despite the restructuring it is a great company with many oppurtunities. The open door policy surpasses that of many retailers in my area and i enjoy the challenges.

Since: Feb 12

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#3 Feb 28, 2012
If there is no pay raise, I would probably look for another job. 25%-50% more hours with a 3% pay "Raise" is a real bad deal.
lat

Mooresville, NC

#4 Feb 29, 2012
Your lunch is now paid time, so it is 5 more hours per week.
Douchebag

United States

#5 Feb 29, 2012
Not sure. To me, 50 hours a week as a DM is going to be a lot harder than a 50 hour week as an ASM or SM. As a DM, I can't just go to my office for 3 hours when ever I want like some ASM/SMs do.

Since: Feb 12

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#6 Feb 29, 2012
Douchebag wrote:
Not sure. To me, 50 hours a week as a DM is going to be a lot harder than a 50 hour week as an ASM or SM. As a DM, I can't just go to my office for 3 hours when ever I want like some ASM/SMs do.
Haha man it sounds like their is either a lot of lazy ASMs at your store. Office man I rarely see it when I come In, lunch, and when I leave. Really good ASMs mostly work in there own areas asking what is going on with all there associates and not just their DMs. Yeah I still believe ASMs should be engaged but I look at it like this in sports cenaireo; CSAs linemen, specialists receivers and running backs, dept manager is the quarterback. Ans the ASM is the head coach. Making the SM owener of the team.
Radar

Pierceton, IN

#7 Feb 29, 2012
Despite the longer hours, and despite exceptions, I see a few salaried ASMs spending beaucoup time in the office shooting the breeze, flirting with staff, or just wandering around and being obnoxious. In contrast, the DMs do much of the "heavy lifting" in the store - managing staff, doing picker work, loading for customers, and providing sales and service.

Many ASMs hand customer service off ASAP to others. I see VERY few involved in the physical work of a warehouse store. So with the tough physical labor, the emotional demands of service and sales, and direct responsibility for department goals, does it make sense to increase hours of DMs? I think Lowes would be far better off cutting out one or two ASMs per store. I'm speaking as a specialist with five years at Lowes and 20+ years in management.

Lowes shouldn't grind down good DMs -they should weed out ASMs that belong at Sears, weed out SMs that belong at Sears, and promote the best ASMs to fill open vacancies for SMs that are clueless to LEF.
bhawkfan

Mchenry, IL

#8 Mar 10, 2012
What position do you have lat?
new2lowes

Charlotte, NC

#9 Mar 10, 2012
I've been around for 2 years and my ASM is pretty down to earth, never gets stressed, and is always helping and loading customers. Heck he is the strongest guy in the store.
DM LadyFL

United States

#10 Mar 10, 2012
I have been around awhile. I have worked at several different stores. I have had some amazing ASMs/zones and SMs, but the lazy lot I have now shocks me to the core. They never leave the office, ever. I can pull a full 8 hour shift and never even see a person from upper management. All cashiers and associates are directed to call the DMs. We do the blue vest schedule and only DMs wear the blue vest. It does not matter if we have departmental coverage or not. We are threatened on a regular basis and now they use LEF as a threat and not a tool. I have never seen so many people getting wrote up for stupid things. There was one week they wrote up 10 people, 10, I am not kidding. The store I am at runs in a continual state of panic. The EOS scores were the lowest I have ever seen. The district team came in and had meetings but did nothing. I have worked at some great stores, this one is very far from the shadow of good. the SM hides in the LP office, zone office, HR office his full shift. I have worked several days with him, same shifts, but never even seen him. The whole store wonders who he is related to in corporate to keep his job.

Since: Oct 11

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#11 Mar 11, 2012
DM LadyFL wrote:
I have been around awhile. I have worked at several different stores. I have had some amazing ASMs/zones and SMs, but the lazy lot I have now shocks me to the core. They never leave the office, ever. I can pull a full 8 hour shift and never even see a person from upper management. All cashiers and associates are directed to call the DMs. We do the blue vest schedule and only DMs wear the blue vest. It does not matter if we have departmental coverage or not. We are threatened on a regular basis and now they use LEF as a threat and not a tool. I have never seen so many people getting wrote up for stupid things. There was one week they wrote up 10 people, 10, I am not kidding. The store I am at runs in a continual state of panic. The EOS scores were the lowest I have ever seen. The district team came in and had meetings but did nothing. I have worked at some great stores, this one is very far from the shadow of good. the SM hides in the LP office, zone office, HR office his full shift. I have worked several days with him, same shifts, but never even seen him. The whole store wonders who he is related to in corporate to keep his job.
Wow. That's awful! We had low EOS scores too. We had an intervention & it has been very divisive. Hope it gets better for you & your store.
working to keep you emplo

Claremont, NC

#13 Aug 3, 2012
bhawkfan wrote:
What position do you have lat?
been with lowes for over ten years. back when dm were salary. but was a asm i work twice as hard. dm have no clue what it takes to run the store for the most part. I have been in 16 stores to fix them. The company would win big if we went back to this and acutally held dm accountable for running there depts.
NewBee

Van Alstyne, TX

#14 Aug 4, 2012
Department manager salaried good idea, if they could actually manage the department. let them set the hours, manage the team members and not have ASM's and Store managers pull what little help they have be pulled all over the store so that they can complete the task that are required of them without interference.
DMxMD

Leslie, MI

#15 Aug 4, 2012
I think in a perfect world they would want DMs to be salaried and run the department just as you said, but I don't think at the current developmental level of DMs that that would be possible. Most of our DMs currently are glorified CSAs, spending most of their time doing the same tasks their people do. I don't say that to belittle them, its just that they would not be ready to just switch overnight to being true leaders/managers.
NewBee

Van Alstyne, TX

#16 Aug 4, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
I think in a perfect world they would want DMs to be salaried and run the department just as you said, but I don't think at the current developmental level of DMs that that would be possible. Most of our DMs currently are glorified CSAs, spending most of their time doing the same tasks their people do. I don't say that to belittle them, its just that they would not be ready to just switch overnight to being true leaders/managers.
In that case why have them? And why not train them to do the job?
Just by putting them in these positions and not training them for the job henders the whole reason of having them.
DMxMD

Gardner, KS

#17 Aug 4, 2012
I agree. There is a new leadership development program rolling out for department managers. So far, only 2 LLC courses have been released, but there is more in the works.
Furby

Mooresville, NC

#18 Aug 5, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
I think in a perfect world they would want DMs to be salaried and run the department just as you said, but I don't think at the current developmental level of DMs that that would be possible. Most of our DMs currently are glorified CSAs, spending most of their time doing the same tasks their people do. I don't say that to belittle them, its just that they would not be ready to just switch overnight to being true leaders/managers.
I have been a DM in 4 different departments covering 6 1/2 years and every year I have seen the coverage for my departments decrease. Let me manage my departments and I do a great job, expect me to do the work of a CSA/Specialist/Department Manager, then some things won't get done. I haven't moved up to ASM, although I did finish MDP, because the amount they offered to pay me divided by the additional hours I would be working put me at a lower hourly rate and I am no where near being topped out for my position.
nedm

Pembroke, MA

#19 Aug 5, 2012
I still say just allow for OT. Plenty of people would take it.
NewBee

Van Alstyne, TX

#20 Aug 5, 2012
DMxMD wrote:
I agree. There is a new leadership development program rolling out for department managers. So far, only 2 LLC courses have been released, but there is more in the works.
Allready rolled out! 2 weeks ago cannot squeeze in the training, with only 1 person per shift, not allowed to train at lunch, not allowed to train on my own time,

usually can squeeze 30mins a week still trying to complete training from start date.

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