Lawmaker: Cost of new presidential copter tripled

An internal Navy document shows new plans to replace the president's fleet of helicopters will cost taxpayers more and take years longer to deliver than a recently scrapped contract, a New York Democrat said Wednesday.

[rattlecattle]

Corruption 101 What is next for our Presidents a THRONE?

[Mad Dog USN]

He don't need a new helicopter..

Hell he won the Nobel prize he should be able to fly under his own power anywhere.

Based on what I've seen hell he only flies oversea anyway..

[rattlecattle]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

He don't need a new helicopter..
Hell he won the Nobel prize he should be able to fly under his own power anywhere.
Based on what I've seen hell he only flies oversea anyway..

This helicopter BOONDOGGLE was born during the BUSH REGIME.

IF Obama has any sense he will announce his refusal to fly on it under any circumstances out of respect for taxpayer resources.

The US Government is a cancer upon the american people and stands for special intrests over the best intrests of the majority

[Mad Dog USN]

rattlecattle wrote:

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IF Obama has any sense he will announce his refusal to fly on it under any circumstances out of respect for taxpayer resources.

Are you that STUPID? So what if he refuses to fly on it?

YOU STILL PAID FOR IT YOU DUMBAZZ!!

Respect for the Aamerican taxpayer?? This coming from the same person who has no respect himself for American's??

[rattlecattle]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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Are you that STUPID? So what if he refuses to fly on it?
YOU STILL PAID FOR IT YOU DUMBAZZ!!
Respect for the Aamerican taxpayer?? This coming from the same person who has no respect himself for American's??

You stupid fool.....If he refused to fly on these expensive military boondoggle aircraft....maybe people will look more closely at how the Pentagon has zero respect for the taxpayer.

Of course an idiot like you loves our $7 billion dollar obsolete aircraft carriers that have no mission other than wasting money.

The DOD is a failure.....before 9/11/01 , during 9/11/01 and after 9/11/01.

Grow UP...you ex military welfare BUM

[Mad Dog USN]

rattlecattle wrote:

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You stupid fool.....If he refused to fly on these expensive military boondoggle aircraft....maybe people will look more closely at how the Pentagon has zero respect for the taxpayer.
Of course an idiot like you loves our $7 billion dollar obsolete aircraft carriers that have no mission other than wasting money.
The DOD is a failure.....before 9/11/01 , during 9/11/01 and after 9/11/01.
Grow UP...you ex military welfare BUM

Your still an idiot....and you still don't get it.

Like someone buying you a car and then you refusing to drive it because it cost them too much, but it's still in your yard..

What do you care about respecting the taxpayer or Amercan's in general? According to you they're idiots anyway.

Your complaining about the Pentagon not having any respect??
Bitch please...Your one to talk about respect.

What about your elected officials huh? Or did you conveniently forget them in your old age?

Yeah yeah yeah 40 million a day.....

What about 30 million for a swamp mouse?
$3.8 million for the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy in Detroit;
$1.9 million for the Pleasure Beach water taxi service in Connecticut;
$1.8 million for swine odor and manure management research in Ames, Iowa;
$380,000 for a recreation and fairgrounds area in Kotzebue, Alaska;
$143,000 for the Greater New Haven Labor History Association in Connecticut;
$95,000 for the Canton Symphony Orchestra Association in Ohio; and
$71,000 for Dance Theater Etcetera in Brooklyn for its Tolerance through Arts initiative.

Representative Howard Berman (D-Calif.) for $200,000 for a tattoo removal program.
Michigan Senators Carl Levin (D) and Debbie Stabenow (D), and Representative Carolyn Kirkpatrick (D) for $951,500 for downtown Detroit energy efficient street lamps.
Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) for $47,575 for the Harlem United wind power project
Harry Reid (D-Nev.) for $143,000 for the Las Vegas Museum of Natural History
Senator Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) for $653 million in total pork.
Alabama Senators Richard Shelby (R) and Jeff Sessions (R), then-Representative Terry Everett (R), Representative Mike Rogers (R) for $413,000 for tri-state joint peanut research.
Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) for $9.5 million for Corridor H.

According to Citizens against government waste Florida
received $350,316,596.00 in pork barrel money.


What about that $700 billion that is only 12% spent and completely lost and unrecoupable?

You were born an ignorant hypocritical azzhole and just grew bigger.

[Mad Dog USN]

rattlecattle wrote:

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You stupid fool.....If he refused to fly on these expensive military boondoggle aircraft....maybe people will look more closely at how the Pentagon has zero respect for the taxpayer.
Of course an idiot like you loves our $7 billion dollar obsolete aircraft carriers that have no mission other than wasting money.
The DOD is a failure.....before 9/11/01 , during 9/11/01 and after 9/11/01.
Grow UP...you ex military welfare BUM

I suggest you either nut up of shut up.

If you are so smart than fill out this form with all your complaints and wait..of course you won't have the sack or spine to do it..

http://www.dodig.mil/HOTLINE/fwacompl.htm

[rattlecattle]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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Your still an idiot....and you still don't get it.
Like someone buying you a car and then you refusing to drive it because it cost them too much, but it's still in your yard..
What do you care about respecting the taxpayer or Amercan's in general? According to you they're idiots anyway.
Your complaining about the Pentagon not having any respect??
Bitch please...Your one to talk about respect.
What about your elected officials huh? Or did you conveniently forget them in your old age?
Yeah yeah yeah 40 million a day.....
What about 30 million for a swamp mouse?
$3.8 million for the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy in Detroit;
$1.9 million for the Pleasure Beach water taxi service in Connecticut;
$1.8 million for swine odor and manure management research in Ames, Iowa;
$380,000 for a recreation and fairgrounds area in Kotzebue, Alaska;
$143,000 for the Greater New Haven Labor History Association in Connecticut;
$95,000 for the Canton Symphony Orchestra Association in Ohio; and
$71,000 for Dance Theater Etcetera in Brooklyn for its Tolerance through Arts initiative.
Representative Howard Berman (D-Calif.) for $200,000 for a tattoo removal program.
Michigan Senators Carl Levin (D) and Debbie Stabenow (D), and Representative Carolyn Kirkpatrick (D) for $951,500 for downtown Detroit energy efficient street lamps.
Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) for $47,575 for the Harlem United wind power project
Harry Reid (D-Nev.) for $143,000 for the Las Vegas Museum of Natural History
Senator Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) for $653 million in total pork.
Alabama Senators Richard Shelby (R) and Jeff Sessions (R), then-Representative Terry Everett (R), Representative Mike Rogers (R) for $413,000 for tri-state joint peanut research.
Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) for $9.5 million for Corridor H.
According to Citizens against government waste Florida
received $350,316,596.00 in pork barrel money.
What about that $700 billion that is only 12% spent and completely lost and unrecoupable?
You were born an ignorant hypocritical azzhole and just grew bigger.

You are just describing the tip of the corruption iceburg.

America is a corrupt nation, better than some, worse than others.

DEMOCRACY is only as good as the people in the Democracy.

So what is the solution?

Lets build some more $7 billion aircraft carriers,$2 billion dollar bombers and tell the world we want PEACE!

PEACE is the last thing in the world the US Government wants...ther is no money in peace...FOOL!

The USA should spend millions studying its own ARROGANCE and ILLUSIONS....but it would have to borrow the money to fund the study.

The USA also spends billions on Veterans retirements, another example of paying people to do NOTHING.

We wasted another $40 million today on war.....just like yesterday and tommorrow...REVENGE IS EXPENSIVE!

[Mad Dog USN]

rattlecattle wrote:

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You are just describing the tip of the corruption iceburg.
America is a corrupt nation, better than some, worse than others.
DEMOCRACY is only as good as the people in the Democracy.
So what is the solution?
Lets build some more $7 billion aircraft carriers,$2 billion dollar bombers and tell the world we want PEACE!
PEACE is the last thing in the world the US Government wants...ther is no money in peace...FOOL!
The USA should spend millions studying its own ARROGANCE and ILLUSIONS....but it would have to borrow the money to fund the study.
The USA also spends billions on Veterans retirements, another example of paying people to do NOTHING.
We wasted another $40 million today on war.....just like yesterday and tommorrow...REVENGE IS EXPENSIVE!

It seems to be convenient for you to ignore it..

You rail against an aircraft carrier that you get 50+ years of service with but you say nothing about money being spent that producing nothing.

Your not a solution, your part of the problem.

[rattlecattle]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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It seems to be convenient for you to ignore it..
You rail against an aircraft carrier that you get 50+ years of service with but you say nothing about money being spent that producing nothing.
Your not a solution, your part of the problem.

I was stationed aboard the USS Forrestal....all the ship's records indicate that was killing americans in accidents for over 35 years, which is what the enemy is supposed to do on purpose.

Our carriers spent 10 years off the coast of Vietnam and accomplished NOTHING except death and expense.

Gen Curtis LeMay said "we shall bomb the Vietnamese back into the stone age" forgetting they we already in the stone age and 1000 times more courageous than the americans were.

You need to face the fact the USA is a nation of professional bombers and we are terrorists ourselves.

Americans are so blinded by their own arrogance and illusions they cannot see how foolish they really are.

We are in the worst financial condition ever and borrowing billions to fight a war we have zero chance of winning.

The US governemnt cannot even control its own borders , criminals or greed, yet it is trying to defeat GHOST TERRORISTS with conventional warfare tactics....LMAO.

The enemy we seek is ourselves......God does not Bless our sick wars and sad illusions.

Our military toys mean NOTHING....time will sweep them from the battlefield.

[Mad Dog USN]

rattlecattle wrote:

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I was stationed aboard the USS Forrestal....all the ship's records indicate that was killing americans in accidents for over 35 years, which is what the enemy is supposed to do on purpose.
Our carriers spent 10 years off the coast of Vietnam and accomplished NOTHING except death and expense.
Gen Curtis LeMay said "we shall bomb the Vietnamese back into the stone age" forgetting they we already in the stone age and 1000 times more courageous than the americans were.
You need to face the fact the USA is a nation of professional bombers and we are terrorists ourselves.
Americans are so blinded by their own arrogance and illusions they cannot see how foolish they really are.
We are in the worst financial condition ever and borrowing billions to fight a war we have zero chance of winning.
The US governemnt cannot even control its own borders , criminals or greed, yet it is trying to defeat GHOST TERRORISTS with conventional warfare tactics....LMAO.
The enemy we seek is ourselves......God does not Bless our sick wars and sad illusions.
Our military toys mean NOTHING....time will sweep them from the battlefield.

Who gives a shit?

I did the last deployment with the Forrestal in 1991 when she was out of Mayport.

She wasn't the only carrier off that coast.

You complain about "toys" but those toyys are only has effective has the orders the politicains give them.

Again, all these complaints you have about military spending. At least you see a return or something that was purchased with taxpayer money.

But you seem to neglect the pork spending the Congress adds to the defense bills or for that fact, the pork spending that congress adds to any spending bill, including spending bills.

That $40 million you keep complaining about has:

Removed a terrrorist financier and trainer and murderer.
Updated a countries infrastructure
Improves our homeland security
Denies a stable base of operation for terrorist and their training camps.

With true military spending you actually see it being used, unlike your domestic stimulus which is already spent and didn't do anything.

Your complaints against the military are mis-directed. Who add the pork? Congress. The military didn't ask for and alternative engine for the F-35 Congrerss did.

How does a swamp mouse in California affect you?
Answer: It doesn't, but you paid for it?

John Murtha's Airport? Do you use it?
Answer: propably not, but it cost you a $100 million a year.

Dick Byrd's Corridor H in WV? Do you drive it?
Answer: Very few do, but your paying for it.

[Illegal Kenyan]

are they trying to figure out how to put a set of spinners on it?

[rattlecattle]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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Who gives a shit?
I did the last deployment with the Forrestal in 1991 when she was out of Mayport.
She wasn't the only carrier off that coast.
You complain about "toys" but those toyys are only has effective has the orders the politicains give them.
Again, all these complaints you have about military spending. At least you see a return or something that was purchased with taxpayer money.
But you seem to neglect the pork spending the Congress adds to the defense bills or for that fact, the pork spending that congress adds to any spending bill, including spending bills.
That $40 million you keep complaining about has:
Removed a terrrorist financier and trainer and murderer.
Updated a countries infrastructure
Improves our homeland security
Denies a stable base of operation for terrorist and their training camps.
With true military spending you actually see it being used, unlike your domestic stimulus which is already spent and didn't do anything.
Your complaints against the military are mis-directed. Who add the pork? Congress. The military didn't ask for and alternative engine for the F-35 Congrerss did.
How does a swamp mouse in California affect you?
Answer: It doesn't, but you paid for it?
John Murtha's Airport? Do you use it?
Answer: propably not, but it cost you a $100 million a year.
Dick Byrd's Corridor H in WV? Do you drive it?
Answer: Very few do, but your paying for it.

Corruption, Greed, materialism and arrogance.....you have described our government and people pretty well.

Maybe we should clean up our own nest before we bomb everyone elses and call ourselves GREAT.

[Mad Dog USN]

rattlecattle wrote:

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Corruption, Greed, materialism and arrogance.....you have described our government and people pretty well.
Maybe we should clean up our own nest before we bomb everyone elses and call ourselves GREAT.

And you keep whinning about military spending but you little about it..

who puts the pork in the defense spending bills???
The Generals? No
The JCS's? NO
Congress...yes...

Before you open you cock holster again I suggest you actually read a defense spending bill...Stupid azz..

[rattlecattle]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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And you keep whinning about military spending but you little about it..
who puts the pork in the defense spending bills???
The Generals? No
The JCS's? NO
Congress...yes...
Before you open you cock holster again I suggest you actually read a defense spending bill...Stupid azz..

Who will DEFEND the american people from their own greed and corruption?

The American people are greedy, materialistic and arrogant for the most part.

100 banks have been closed so far this year as we build military JUNK for a war we deserve to and will lose.

Try to calculate ...just the intrest on the $12 trillion national debt for one day?

Try it...go ahead.

Then face the facts ...we are borrowing more billions to pay the intrest.

The US military is a cancerous growth that is hurting this nation far more than helping it.

[Mad Dog USN]

rattlecattle wrote:

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Who will DEFEND the american people from their own greed and corruption?
The American people are greedy, materialistic and arrogant for the most part.
100 banks have been closed so far this year as we build military JUNK for a war we deserve to and will lose.
Try to calculate ...just the intrest on the $12 trillion national debt for one day?
Try it...go ahead.
Then face the facts ...we are borrowing more billions to pay the intrest.
The US military is a cancerous growth that is hurting this nation far more than helping it.

You won't and hasn't been you, so don't even try to be the guardian angel and whistle blower for American ethics and government change.

You've been wallowing in it since 1965 and done absolutely nothing except whine on topix.
and the only reason, the only reason your here is because you can remain anonymous so you don't have to suffer the repercussion of your blatantly un-Amercian comments in person.

You don't have to argue your point face to face because, let's face it, your a coward.

WOW!! conviction to your cause..huh?

[rattlecattle]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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You won't and hasn't been you, so don't even try to be the guardian angel and whistle blower for American ethics and government change.
You've been wallowing in it since 1965 and done absolutely nothing except whine on topix.
and the only reason, the only reason your here is because you can remain anonymous so you don't have to suffer the repercussion of your blatantly un-Amercian comments in person.
You don't have to argue your point face to face because, let's face it, your a coward.
WOW!! conviction to your cause..huh?

Petty.....Officer...petty

[Mad Dog USN]

rattlecattle wrote:

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Petty.....Officer...petty

A rank you never had..

[rattlecattle]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

<quoted text>
You won't and hasn't been you, so don't even try to be the guardian angel and whistle blower for American ethics and government change.
You've been wallowing in it since 1965 and done absolutely nothing except whine on topix.
and the only reason, the only reason your here is because you can remain anonymous so you don't have to suffer the repercussion of your blatantly un-Amercian comments in person.
You don't have to argue your point face to face because, let's face it, your a coward.
WOW!! conviction to your cause..huh?

UN- American comments? I suppose it is American to want eternal war and war profits.

The DOD is a disaster and doing little at all to really protect this country.

Our borders are unmanned as we waste billions on high tech worthless toys so contractors can make profits.

We have ZERO business in the mideast...NONE