Lilly says it opposes immigration mea...

Lilly says it opposes immigration measure

There are 20 comments on the Indianapolis Star story from Feb 19, 2011, titled Lilly says it opposes immigration measure. In it, Indianapolis Star reports that:

The immigration reform measure before Indiana's Senate has drawn opposition from one of the state's largest employers.

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Indy

United States

#1 Feb 19, 2011
Boy that should tell you something about Lilly...Maybe it's time for a good old ICE raid?
Clear Justice

United States

#2 Feb 20, 2011
Blah-Blah-Bla/ The Russians came in the legal way to Indiana. Who cares what Lilly thinks, they do medicine. Stick with the facts. Illegal is illegal.
velogeezer

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Feb 20, 2011
OMG! A Republican from Carmel on our side. Maybe there is some hope for our country if even Repubs are beginning to see the light.
Clear Justice

United States

#4 Feb 20, 2011
There are Americans into Science. Blah Blah Blah..
Carmel High School has kids who like Science, Noblesville High School has kids who like Science..
I know tons of legal engineers... Our colleges in Indiana have science majors... Blah Blah Blah...Indiana is not a friendly state. Come to Carmel, Indiana and see for yourself.
wayne

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Feb 20, 2011
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/eli_lilly.htm

this is clearly a terrorist cell, why are these people not being round up and charged with crimes against humanity??
Jennifer Justice

United States

#6 Feb 22, 2011
Buy medicine in Canada. Find out for everyone, and post the website. Or someone start an import business.
Make sure you are "LEGAL." We want legal people.
Thank you fellow legal "Hoosiers."

Since: Jun 08

Woodbridge, VA

#7 Feb 22, 2011
www.numbersusa.com has a predone fax you can customize and send to Lilly.

They heard from me today. Slam them with faxes, emails and calls. And I know the Numbers faxes make it because I have gotten replies from legislators after faxing them.

Here is the Lilly corp HQ contact for snail mail and calls too. http://www.lilly.com/contact/
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Feb 22, 2011
That type of lobbying by large businesses should set the "Audit me first!" flag for ICE. What other reason could they have for opposing a crackdown than the likelihood that they are trimming their payroll by using black market labor?
velogeezer

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Feb 22, 2011
Free is free wrote:
That type of lobbying by large businesses should set the "Audit me first!" flag for ICE. What other reason could they have for opposing a crackdown than the likelihood that they are trimming their payroll by using black market labor?
They probably don't want to take the chance of hiring illegal aliens, but probably use sub contractors who do.
rider

Marquette, MI

#10 Feb 23, 2011
Indy wrote:
Boy that should tell you something about Lilly...Maybe it's time for a good old ICE raid?
raid by Wackenhut? Wackenhut Corp in Indianapolis, IN is a private company categorized under Security Guard and Patrol Service. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of less than $500,000 and employs a staff of approximately 5 to 9. Companies like Wackenhut Corp usually offer: Unarmed Security Guards, Hotel Security Guard, Security Guards, Security Guard Business and Security Guard Patrol.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2010-10-21/news/ ... http://www.americandaily.com/article/13214 http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/24971 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/05/09/60I ... http://securityindustrynewstoday.wordpress.co ... http://www.thenation.com/blog/bp-and-us-gover ...
Carmel Lady

United States

#11 Feb 23, 2011
Clear Justice wrote:
There are Americans into Science. Blah Blah Blah..
Carmel High School has kids who like Science, Noblesville High School has kids who like Science..
I know tons of legal engineers... Our colleges in Indiana have science majors... Blah Blah Blah...Indiana is not a friendly state. Come to Carmel, Indiana and see for yourself.
There is NOT one thing wrong with Carmel. You are jealous that you can not live here, or do you?
I use to think things about Carmel as well, until someone told me to give Carmel a try. I am here and love it. Almost everyone that lives here is educated with some kind of degree. Maybe not science.There are other areas around IN that are worse, but everyone needs to understand that Carmel has nice people. Now onto immigration...
We all come from some where. A visit to south Fl would open your eyes. The women find an American man fast and have a baby (to stay here), there are people that use dead people IDs just to stay here. The bottom line, come in like our ancesters and there should not be any problems. Last, I understand bad things happen in countries, BUT these people need to try and fight it to make it a better place and not take away from us.Makes one wonder what the employment for minume pay jobs would be left for us Americans? I bet the unemployment would go down. Or what about a job for a roofer? They pay over $100 a day to immigrates. That is our jobs. I wish English would be a requirment for them by law and they pay to take the class. South Fl, there are many that are not willing to learn. Bottom line, a fine line needs to be drawn and Lilly has not a thing to do with it. Unless they have something going on that we do not really know about with the immigrates.
Charles

Zionsville, IN

#12 Feb 23, 2011
Hey "Carmel Lady": What do you stand for??

You are 'flip-flopping', badly!!
You go from one subject to another!!

Carmel Indiana is being fiscally destroyed by
Brainard's "visions", and yet you can't see it.

The Lilly Family NEVER gave one Penny to the
PALLADIUM "civic project"--so-called!!

Eli Lilly Inc. used to start people out in the
$59,000-to-$120,000 wage scale:
Now, it's the $17,000-to-$31,000 range.
CHEAP LABOR at Lilly's .

Next time, make your ideas flow, and not
jump around in a disjointed way!!
You sound looney!!
just me

Itasca, IL

#13 Feb 23, 2011
back in the war years a ship was intercepted and guess where it was going. to japan fullof medical supplies. my grandfather detested the very name lillys. it was said by them that they were honoring a contract...but it was wartime and they had bombed pearl harbor.
Beach828

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Feb 23, 2011
Guess which company I no longer buy medicine from? You turn your back on Americans, Americans will turn their backs on Lilly.

Since: Jun 08

Woodbridge, VA

#15 Feb 24, 2011
Charles wrote:
Hey "Carmel Lady": What do you stand for??
You are 'flip-flopping', badly!!
You go from one subject to another!!
Carmel Indiana is being fiscally destroyed by
Brainard's "visions", and yet you can't see it.
The Lilly Family NEVER gave one Penny to the
PALLADIUM "civic project"--so-called!!
Eli Lilly Inc. used to start people out in the
$59,000-to-$120,000 wage scale:
Now, it's the $17,000-to-$31,000 range.
CHEAP LABOR at Lilly's .
Next time, make your ideas flow, and not
jump around in a disjointed way!!
You sound looney!!
It is like this with a lot of jobs. And when wages are driven down, so goes quality!

A job that I used to do 25 years ago as an uncertifed nurses aid made between $9-$12 an hour. I was untrained so I was on the $9 end. A certified aid starts at just over $12 an hour.

Out of curiosity, and after a guy was shot and killed (do you remember the MD bankrobber shot when a hostage escaped) was reported to work at a nursing care facility and was here illegally. So I check current wage for my old position - hot, sometimes dangerous as I was on a psych ward with a contract with a psych hospital so we got patients in their 30s and 40's too, long hours, heavy lifting, etc. The pay for a CERTIFIED AIDE has gone down slightly from when I did the job. Starting about $8-$12 and hour so you tell me what uncertified starts at? Yup, upper ends is now about $9.

Will Americans not do the jobs? Yes we will. 25 years ago what I was making was a livable wage.

On the other hand, that business was also a lot of "wait for the dang govt to pay" for many patients (medicare) and still is. Reimbursal is lousy. I remember my physical therapist taking a medicare check and taping it to the desk with a note on it that was something like "If you are on government aid, do not complain this is what the government sends us" and the check was for $3.00. My co-pay was $30 and I was limited to 24 visits a year.

Do I agree with hiring illegals - no, not at all. But in some areas that are dependant on govt reimbursal (often for people who have paid into the system for their lives)... OH man. Then doctors get handed their tails when they say they will not accept govt patiends. "How can you be so cruel." Well, I know how much it costs to run a clinic and a lab from my husband. Millions. A single service agreement for a half-million dollar piece of equipment can be $10,000 or more. They are a self-pay facility for the most part as insurance covers little of reproductive medicine and they do not take govt aid. They do not have to worry about Medicaid or medicare reimbursal.

I can see wages dropping more for certain medical-related facilities and employers turning to even more illegal employees in the next few years in many areas.
Clear Justice

United States

#16 Feb 24, 2011
Beach828 wrote:
Guess which company I no longer buy medicine from? You turn your back on Americans, Americans will turn their backs on Lilly.
Lilley is into money. Legal is not illegal. Can your engineers read English?
just you

Zionsville, IN

#17 Feb 24, 2011
ELI LILLY INC. benefitted from the ILLEGAL
research of NAZI DOCTORS like Dr. Joseph
MENGELE, the chief "physician" at the AUSCHWITZ
CONCENTRATION CAMP in then-German Upper Silesia.

Mengele was 'Doctor Death" at Auschwitz.

After Nazi Germany was defeated in May of 1945,
the U.S. Third Army seized Mengele's medical
research records.
Those records were about the medical crimes
of Mengele at Auschwitz and Dachau.

In May of 1946, Mr. Eli Lilly was given these
records such as operations with no anestetic
being administered!!

Many of the "wonder drugs" that Lilly Inc.
has produced come from the horrible medical
experiments by the NAZIS at Auschwitz from
1942 through 1945 by Dr. Joseph Mengele!!

Eli Lilly also benefitted from the Japanese
Medical Camp-UNIT 731 in Japanese-occupied
Manchuria(MANCHUKUO), THAT USED CAPTURED
AMERICAN B-29 bomber crews in bloody medical
experiments.

Eli Lilly's Family HAS BLOOD on it's HANDS,
as does Eli Lilly Inc.

Eli Lilly was a Nazi sympathizer, like
the U.S. Ambassador to Great Britain
the late Joseph P. Kennedy, and IBM
Chairman the late Thomas J. Watson!!

Again, Eli Lilly Inc. has blood on it's hands!!
just you

Zionsville, IN

#18 Feb 24, 2011
Why do Hoosiers still KISS THE ASSES of the Lilly
Families???

The Lilly's have the BLOOD of millions
of Nazi concentration camp victims
on their hands!!

Many Lilly family members were members
of KKK in the 1920s here in Central Indiana,
and were involved as Swedish-German Americans
in the GERMAN-AMERICAN BUND(Nazis).

Three members of the Lilly families were
guests of Adolph Hitler in the Bavarian Alps
(Berghof) in 1938.

Since: Jun 08

Woodbridge, VA

#19 Feb 24, 2011
First, I took medical ethics as part of a biology program in college.

A heck of a lot more contributed and took the research lesson. There is a huge branch of medical ethics devoted to this. Look a bit further and see how widespread this actually was.

Lilly actually did his work under the direction of the CIA in the 1930s and 40s and was really studying mind control drugs.

There is a whole branch of study about this and seriously, EVERY aspect of modern medicine was touched an affected by this era.

The only way to avoid "blood on hands" is to literally avoid all aspects of modern medicine - this is how wide spread it is/was.
just you wrote:
ELI LILLY INC. benefitted from the ILLEGAL
research of NAZI DOCTORS like Dr. Joseph
MENGELE, the chief "physician" at the AUSCHWITZ
CONCENTRATION CAMP in then-German Upper Silesia.
Mengele was 'Doctor Death" at Auschwitz.
After Nazi Germany was defeated in May of 1945,
the U.S. Third Army seized Mengele's medical
research records.
Those records were about the medical crimes
of Mengele at Auschwitz and Dachau.
In May of 1946, Mr. Eli Lilly was given these
records such as operations with no anestetic
being administered!!
Many of the "wonder drugs" that Lilly Inc.
has produced come from the horrible medical
experiments by the NAZIS at Auschwitz from
1942 through 1945 by Dr. Joseph Mengele!!
Eli Lilly also benefitted from the Japanese
Medical Camp-UNIT 731 in Japanese-occupied
Manchuria(MANCHUKUO), THAT USED CAPTURED
AMERICAN B-29 bomber crews in bloody medical
experiments.
Eli Lilly's Family HAS BLOOD on it's HANDS,
as does Eli Lilly Inc.
Eli Lilly was a Nazi sympathizer, like
the U.S. Ambassador to Great Britain
the late Joseph P. Kennedy, and IBM
Chairman the late Thomas J. Watson!!
Again, Eli Lilly Inc. has blood on it's hands!!
Clear Justice

United States

#20 Feb 24, 2011
Charles you are a great writer.
God Bless You. Have a great night and life.

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