The Arguments of Tolerance

The Arguments of Tolerance

There are 12 comments on the www.womanist-musings.com story from Apr 17, 2012, titled The Arguments of Tolerance. In it, www.womanist-musings.com reports that:

Some, obvious foamings of hate, are barely worth countering (though, tiresomely, we have to). But today I’m going to poke at some of the terms I’ve seen used by many of our allies to fight for us that make me cringe. I consider them the Arguments of Tolerance and they give me grey hairs they do – let us look at a few.

“We’re all sinners” “Let he without sin cast the first stone.” “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”

This is a common one. And you know what it says? It says being gay is sinful, yucky and wrong but there are many many many sins out there that people commit every day. So many and we’re all imperfect, flawed, none of us are doing it right so how can you judge someone else on their imperfections? No, better to reflect on the ways you can improve as a person rather than judge others on how they can improve, right? I mean, how can you say other people are doing it wrong when you yourself aren’t doing it right?

A very nice, reasonable sentiment (well in many cases anyway). But not in this context.

Because this sentiment ACCEPTS that being gay is wrong/sinful. Sure it says that you should be focused on yourself rather than sticking your nose in next door and muttering about how wrong/sinful your neighbour is – but it still says that being gay is wrong.

“You’re also ignoring X and Y sins that the {holy book of choice} talks about”

A variation of the above – habitually people do pick and choose which verses are still “relevant”

Problem, we’re again letting the message of “being gay is wrong” stand. We’re not saying that there’s nothing wrong with being gay, we’re not saying that regarding gay people as lesser or inferior is wrong, we’re not saying treating being gay like a sin or disease is wrong. No, we’re saying that it is wrong but we can ignore it just as we ignore x and y as well. That’s not an affirmative message. That’s not a message that rejects bigotry. I’m not even sure what the message is supposed to be here – either a message that all these rules are nonsense/out of date/out of context/whatever or a mutual agreement to be slackers.

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#1 Apr 17, 2012
Talking to bigots is like talking to a brick wall, they'll never change their minds.
CHAS

Dillon, CO

#2 Apr 17, 2012
""Never argue with a crazy person. He will only drag you down to his level, and then beat you with experience." Good one! My mother used to ..."

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#3 Apr 17, 2012
"The Unitarian Universalist Association has a long-standing and deeply held religious commitment to support full equality for gay people. We dedicate ourselves to work for justice, grounded in faith, which calls us to support everyone's full humanity, everyone's ability to love, and everyone's value in the world." Rev. William Sinkford, former President, Unitarian Universalist Church.

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#4 Apr 17, 2012
“There is a significant and growing consensus among biblical scholars about the few biblical texts that are often referenced as the basis for condemning same-gender loving people of God. Contemporary biblical scholarship argues strongly against this condemnation and finds a much more significant Gospel message that supports the inclusion of LGBT persons into the full life and mission of the church.”(United Church of Christ.)

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#5 Apr 17, 2012
United Methodist Book of Discipline. "We are committed to supporting those rights and liberties for all persons, regardless of sexual orientation. We see a clear issue of simple justice in protecting the rightful claims where people have shared material resources, pensions, guardian relationships, mutual powers of attorney, and other such lawful claims typically attendant to contractual relationships that involve shared contributions, responsibilities, and liabilities, and equal protection before the law.”
Roslyn

Erie, PA

#6 Apr 17, 2012
How about the word tolerance in itself? Whenever I tolerate something it its usually an annoying thing I can't stand. I don't want to be tolerated, because people can only tolerate so much of something they dislike before it gets to be to much and they slap it down again. I want acceptance.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#7 Apr 17, 2012
Any excuse to hate is just that...an excuse. We've heard or read them all, and they all are just different ways to say:

"You are different, I hate the thought of your life (why they think about it I don't know), so I hate you."
WoW

Lacon, IL

#8 Apr 17, 2012
Gay Mom wrote:
Any excuse to hate is just that...an excuse. We've heard or read them all, and they all are just different ways to say:
"You are different, I hate the thought of your life (why they think about it I don't know), so I hate you."
That sounds very much like the anti-Christian bigotry that you and your fellow hateful radical homosexual post 24/7.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#9 Apr 18, 2012
WoW wrote:
<quoted text>That sounds very much like the anti-Christian bigotry that you and your fellow hateful radical homosexual post 24/7.
Since many posters here, like myself, are gay Christians, your statement is just as much a lie as any of your other anti-gay nastiness.

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#10 Apr 18, 2012
WoW wrote:
<quoted text>That sounds very much like the anti-Christian bigotry that you and your fellow hateful radical homosexual post 24/7.
It appears you have not read the posts. If you had, you would see there are many Christians, gay, bi, and straight, who understand Jesus never condemned same sex love, and fully accept gay people as well as marriage equality.

What you often see, is gay people fighting back when some who call themselves Christians use select and misinterpreted, mistranslated verses to inflict pain and suffering on gay people. When promoting an irrational prejudice that brings only needless suffering and death to the world, rather than love as Jesus intended, you should expect people to fight back.

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#11 Apr 18, 2012
fr "WoW", aka DAVID MOORE FROM PEKIN IL:

>That sounds very much like the anti-Christian bigotry that you and your fellow hateful radical homosexual post 24/7. <

David, give it up. We all know that it's YOU.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#12 Apr 19, 2012
WoW wrote:
<quoted text>That sounds very much like the anti-Christian bigotry that you and your fellow hateful radical homosexual post 24/7.
Actually, the anti-christian sentiments are more from other organized religions. What you consider "anti-christian" is nothing more than disregarding your beliefs, which is allowed and protected in the US, we are allowed to say you're nuts for believing, protected by the same laws that say you are allowed to say we're nuts for not believing. Us atheists take it a step further, but most of us don't attack religious beliefs, and most gay people are not atheists. So, if you want to generalize, at least make it fit reality, okay?

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