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redneck automoble

Houghton Lake, MI

#1 Jun 19, 2009
lear roscommon will close due to the non ratification of a contract that was put forth via ultimatum sign or close. If it was true that roscommon would have gotten thhe work to stay open had they taken the smalll concessions that were asked this will turn out to be a huge mistake by the 1819. If this work now goes to another lear coorporation what petty crooks lear corporation will be. supposedly this work would only be awarded to lear if roscommon took the deal or it would go to another corporation all together. I agree with the vote of no for this reason....If you take out a car loan and default on the agreement they take the car back and you still have to pay what you owe and get a hit on your credit. WHO IS HOLDING LEAR RESPONSIBLE FOR DEFAULTING ON THIS CONTRACT THAT GUARUNTEED WORK FOR 5 YEARS? ANSWER NO ONE. WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT AND DEFAULT ON IT. It is not the 1819s fualt the auto industry is in ruins they are already the lowest paid lear facility in the u.s. and the most productive they held up there end of the agreement. Where is lears backbone stand up and take like the rest of the citizens have to and honor your contract find the work.
BACK STABBED

Bradenton, FL

#2 Jun 22, 2009
What are you talking about? IF you would have read the proposal, it was in writing that the work would be sent to Roscommon. Just because it was voted down by our union brothers and sisters doesn't mean Lear will give up this work. It will go to another Lear factory. And you did hit the nail on the head (small concessions). How come I have to listen to all of you belly ache about this during lunch and you all know it sucks, but look how many other factories gave up concessions. They obviously can read and watch the news. Hundreds of thousands of people that can not find work. Here we are handed work that we deserve because of hard work, and because majority of us can't read, we vote it down. Most of the consessions don't even take effect until a later date. I was really proud to be a part of this union, but now I am embarrassed to let people know that our membership voted this proposal down durring such hard times. Look at the giant wood company getting ready to close in Grayling, look at camp Laymen (closing) and now us. Way to think of others. I just don't want to hear it from all of the know it alls during breaks and lunch anymore that have it all figured out. Fact is there are people begging for work and you voted it down. Not I, I voted YES.
Rebel

Houghton Lake, MI

#3 Jun 22, 2009
BACK STABBED wrote:
What are you talking about? IF you would have read the proposal, it was in writing that the work would be sent to Roscommon. Just because it was voted down by our union brothers and sisters doesn't mean Lear will give up this work. It will go to another Lear factory. And you did hit the nail on the head (small concessions). How come I have to listen to all of you belly ache about this during lunch and you all know it sucks, but look how many other factories gave up concessions. They obviously can read and watch the news. Hundreds of thousands of people that can not find work. Here we are handed work that we deserve because of hard work, and because majority of us can't read, we vote it down. Most of the consessions don't even take effect until a later date. I was really proud to be a part of this union, but now I am embarrassed to let people know that our membership voted this proposal down durring such hard times. Look at the giant wood company getting ready to close in Grayling, look at camp Laymen (closing) and now us. Way to think of others. I just don't want to hear it from all of the know it alls during breaks and lunch anymore that have it all figured out. Fact is there are people begging for work and you voted it down. Not I, I voted YES.
You are exactly right-very well put! There are many people elsewhere willing to step up to the plate and have good jobs & security until 2015 for some minor concessions. Certainly if the shop closes, we don't have to worry about vacation pay, do we? It's called a permanent vacation. I am very disappointed in our membership. The non-caring & selfish people hurt those that want to earn a decent living and remain up north.
redneck auto

Houghton Lake, MI

#4 Jun 22, 2009
BACK STABBED wrote:
What are you talking about? IF you would have read the proposal, it was in writing that the work would be sent to Roscommon. Just because it was voted down by our union brothers and sisters doesn't mean Lear will give up this work. It will go to another Lear factory. And you did hit the nail on the head (small concessions). How come I have to listen to all of you belly ache about this during lunch and you all know it sucks, but look how many other factories gave up concessions. They obviously can read and watch the news. Hundreds of thousands of people that can not find work. Here we are handed work that we deserve because of hard work, and because majority of us can't read, we vote it down. Most of the consessions don't even take effect until a later date. I was really proud to be a part of this union, but now I am embarrassed to let people know that our membership voted this proposal down durring such hard times. Look at the giant wood company getting ready to close in Grayling, look at camp Laymen (closing) and now us. Way to think of others. I just don't want to hear it from all of the know it alls during breaks and lunch anymore that have it all figured out. Fact is there are people begging for work and you voted it down. Not I, I voted YES.
i agree with you except you still didnt address why lear isnt being held accountable for the last 3 years guarunteed on our contract? If they wont honor the contract we have now what makes you think thetll honor the next.
redneck auto

Houghton Lake, MI

#5 Jun 22, 2009
i voted yes by the way just agreed with the vote of no on principal
redneck auto wrote:
<quoted text>i agree with you except you still didnt address why lear isnt being held accountable for the last 3 years guarunteed on our contract? If they wont honor the contract we have now what makes you think thetll honor the next.
BACK STABBED

Bradenton, FL

#6 Jun 22, 2009
I am not sure what you mean by honor the last 3 years. It is hard for me to answer this because I can not get our union commitee to answer my question on how many people must remain in the factory for it to be considered open. What if it is just one person running a dial machine? Do the rest of the membership have to wait till 2012 to get our severance pay? Did we ask the right questions at the meeting? I am glad to hear you voted YES, at least you have common sense.
Rebel

Houghton Lake, MI

#7 Jun 22, 2009
BACK STABBED wrote:
I am not sure what you mean by honor the last 3 years. It is hard for me to answer this because I can not get our union commitee to answer my question on how many people must remain in the factory for it to be considered open. What if it is just one person running a dial machine? Do the rest of the membership have to wait till 2012 to get our severance pay? Did we ask the right questions at the meeting? I am glad to hear you voted YES, at least you have common sense.
In answer to the question why the current contract will or may not be upheld-the answer is simple-Lear bankruptcy. Contracts are legal & binding, and if they are not upheld, there is legal recourse. However, when bankruptcy occurs, which is imminent as Lear has not been paying their bills for a reason, all bets are off. The Federal judge can say that the current contract is not "viable" (newest management buzz word), and decide to pay the employees what he or she thinks is fair. For example,$9.00/hour, no benefits, remainder of the contract is null & void, and there is no negotiation involved. That is it, and if you choose not to come back to work when recalled, you lose your unemployment benefits. I was one of the nay-sayers until the bankruptcy came into the picture and also until this new Chrysler program was secured. The program is HUGE & guarenteed, so what's a few concessions for a secure job in an area which you want to continue to live in? Most of us are up here because this is where we want to be, not in Detroit or out of state. I can't think of many jobs up here which receive the pay & benefits that we receive, unless there is some type of degree involved. Without the new work, business sense dictates that Lear will not keep a 100 hourly worker operation active when the Kitchener & Morristown plants are half empty. Had the new contract been ratified, the corporation would have backed it in the bankruptcy court due to their committeement to Chrysler. I certainly don't know all the answers, but I have done my homework in order to understand the big picture. Best to all!!
lost

Roscommon, MI

#8 Jun 26, 2009
we voted and becky lost . what scare tacted will she use now?
Becky Boob Raycraft Lover

Newport, MI

#9 Jun 27, 2009
I love Becky. She is a real Swet thing. So leave her alone. She is only doing her job. She is preparing to go to KITCHENER.

At our next meeting eith her, Do any of you have the BALLS to ask her how much she makes and what she does to earn it?
want to keep my job

Severn, MD

#10 Jun 27, 2009
Becky Boob Raycraft Lover wrote:
I love Becky. She is a real Swet thing. So leave her alone. She is only doing her job. She is preparing to go to KITCHENER.
At our next meeting eith her, Do any of you have the BALLS to ask her how much she makes and what she does to earn it?
do you know how stupid you look with a post like this.You need to watch the news once in a while( not the cartoon chanel) and see how many other UAW members that are taking consessions to save there jobs.No i do not want to give up what we earned.But this job even with the consessions they have asked for is still better then the 3 millon plus that have do not have 1 at all.
Becky Boob Raycraft Lover

Newport, MI

#11 Jun 27, 2009
Only stupid person is one like you who love being BOHICAed over and over & and love BECKY & BOOB.

By the way BEND OVER HERE IT COMES AGAIN!!!!!!

FIDO, I want to introduce you to I WANT TO KEEP MY JOB, He is going to bend over for management.
want to keep my job

Severn, MD

#12 Jun 27, 2009
Becky Boob Raycraft Lover wrote:
Only stupid person is one like you who love being BOHICAed over and over & and love BECKY & BOOB.
By the way BEND OVER HERE IT COMES AGAIN!!!!!!
FIDO, I want to introduce you to I WANT TO KEEP MY JOB, He is going to bend over for management.
this isn't about becky and bob this about people that have a famaliy that like to live up north.There are not many if any that pay what lear offered us.no i do not want my kids to go in front of there class and tell there classmates that there parent was to stupid to keep the job he hadbeen offered instead they choose they easy way WELFARE
Hair Triger

AOL

#13 Jun 27, 2009
Thanks for all the work you guy are sending us. Too bad about your plant closing. There must be a lot of good paying jobs up there for you brothers and sisters to give up this one. Your union rep must be ready to retire to lead you to this. we had work but now this will give us lots of overtime to make up for what we gave up.
Joker

Roscommon, MI

#14 Jun 27, 2009
Hair Triger wrote:
Thanks for all the work you guy are sending us. Too bad about your plant closing. There must be a lot of good paying jobs up there for you brothers and sisters to give up this one. Your union rep must be ready to retire to lead you to this. we had work but now this will give us lots of overtime to make up for what we gave up.
What makes you think your getting the work?
Hair Triger

AOL

#15 Jun 28, 2009
A little birdy told us. Thanks!
want to keep my job

Severn, MD

#16 Jun 28, 2009
Hair Triger wrote:
A little birdy told us. Thanks!
Are they hiring yet,we have a bunch of no voters that will need to find 1
Learon

Belding, MI

#17 Apr 27, 2012
I hired into Lear spring of 2010, mandatory 12 hr shifts, 7 day work weeks, if you didnt want to work, too bad, we were all told to take points. There have been several hundred hired after me, and more people being hired as we speak. The new hires are mostly replacement workers, for those who have pointed out, and lost their jobs. We all get hired for the awesome, get this, wage of $10.00 per hour! We will max out at another wopping $13.00 per hour when we max out our pay increases. We cannot afford to buy the vehicles we make seats for, let alone improve our lifestyle. The only way to make a livable weeks pay is to work 7 days. Now the company has shown profitability for more than three quarters, and refuses to open new negotiations, per their end of the contract. Am I happy to have a paycheck? Sure, but it sure would be nice to make a livable wage, without working myself to death. I could go on and on, but it would prove fruitless. The American Dream is dead, and it is by the hands of Corporations like Lear, who take advantage of their workers.
retired

Fergus, Canada

#19 Apr 27, 2012
Learon wrote:
I hired into Lear spring of 2010, mandatory 12 hr shifts, 7 day work weeks, if you didnt want to work, too bad, we were all told to take points. There have been several hundred hired after me, and more people being hired as we speak. The new hires are mostly replacement workers, for those who have pointed out, and lost their jobs. We all get hired for the awesome, get this, wage of $10.00 per hour! We will max out at another wopping $13.00 per hour when we max out our pay increases. We cannot afford to buy the vehicles we make seats for, let alone improve our lifestyle. The only way to make a livable weeks pay is to work 7 days. Now the company has shown profitability for more than three quarters, and refuses to open new negotiations, per their end of the contract. Am I happy to have a paycheck? Sure, but it sure would be nice to make a livable wage, without working myself to death. I could go on and on, but it would prove fruitless. The American Dream is dead, and it is by the hands of Corporations like Lear, who take advantage of their workers.
Maybe you should get a job in Kitchener. any new work in there plant pays $19.50 an hr.
Learon

Rockford, MI

#20 Apr 28, 2012
sad part is, the work isnt all that bad, the place is just so horribly mis managed it's disgusting, and the pay really sucks, I literally know someone who works at WalMart, and makes comparable wages. Pretty sad when our union "brothers" at other Lear plants make considerably more per hr than Rosco. I really feel let down, and feel Lear is taking advantage of people who really want, and need to work. I'm not looking for big three wages here, but $15.00 per hour, would make it possible to live decently.
retired

Fergus, Canada

#21 Apr 28, 2012
Learon wrote:
sad part is, the work isnt all that bad, the place is just so horribly mis managed it's disgusting, and the pay really sucks, I literally know someone who works at WalMart, and makes comparable wages. Pretty sad when our union "brothers" at other Lear plants make considerably more per hr than Rosco. I really feel let down, and feel Lear is taking advantage of people who really want, and need to work. I'm not looking for big three wages here, but $15.00 per hour, would make it possible to live decently.
all you can do is elect a more aggressive union committee and try to negotiate a better deal. best of luck to everybody (except Bob) at Roscommon.

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