Environmental concerns likely to alter planned Ohio pipeline

The drilling boom that has created hundreds of natural-gas wells in Pennsylvania and West Virginia could shoot new pipelines across Ohio. Full Story
Reader

Columbus, OH

#45 Mar 14, 2011
black lion wrote:
Enviro-nazi's are killing this country. We have more oil in the BAkken and ANWR than the rest of the world combined and the enviro-nazi's and the EPA won't let us drill or build a new refinery. We need to weed these folks out of these positions.
Hmmmmm, "enviro-nazis"? Sounds like a ditto-head to me.
JT Friedman

Columbus, OH

#46 Mar 14, 2011
fiery buddha wrote:
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Shall we discuss the many, many concerns about this relatively new and under-tested drilling technique? Shall we discuss communities near where this occurs being able to set their water on fire? Shall we discuss the fossil fuel released from this does not even begin to pay for the damages to the drinking water of MILLIONS of Americans who probably will NOT profit from this boon?
You're the idiot for being short-sighted, lazy and greedy. We need real, long-term change and planning that considers ALL sides of the situation as well as future projections, not just immediate economic gains w/no vision. That's what's SO wrong w/our country today.
Whatís wrong with our country today is $3.50 gasoline and we havenít built a new refinery in 30+ years. You donít think the oil and gas companies have thought about all the concerns you have listed? If their gas line blows up due to their negligence they are on the hook to pay for the damages. Pair that with profit, and you have far more incentive to do the right thing than the Ohio EPA has to move a piece of paperwork across someoneís desk.

Do you got a miracle substance better, cheaper, and cleaner than fossil fuels? Then bring it to the market, Iím buying. Until then, letís use what we got, Oil and Natural Gas.
not safe

Dayton, OH

#47 Mar 14, 2011
check out the pictures BELOW of natural gas pieline explosions (THESE PIPELINES ARE NOT SAFE AND PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY EXPLODE), figures the Governor wants to start installing these GAS LINES all over Ohio and then tear up the State Parks by putting gas drilling rigs all over them.

http://www.google.com/images...
not safe

Dayton, OH

#48 Mar 14, 2011
JT Friedman wrote:
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Whatís wrong with our country today is $3.50 gasoline and we havenít built a new refinery in 30+ years. You donít think the oil and gas companies have thought about all the concerns you have listed? If their gas line blows up due to their negligence they are on the hook to pay for the damages. Pair that with profit, and you have far more incentive to do the right thing than the Ohio EPA has to move a piece of paperwork across someoneís desk.
Do you got a miracle substance better, cheaper, and cleaner than fossil fuels? Then bring it to the market, Iím buying. Until then, letís use what we got, Oil and Natural Gas.
Whats wrong with our Country, for you info gas is up to 8-9 dollars a gallon in Northern Europe and they make 50% of the wages, which would translate into 16 dollar a gallong gas on same wages.

In Southern Europe it is 5 dollars a gallon, translates into 10 dollar gas when you compare wages.

Building dangerous pipelines across Ohio will not make gas cheaper. As you said we are using what we got and it won't get any cheaper by building these pipelines
protector

Columbus, OH

#49 Mar 14, 2011
OK "THERE" Lets kick both parties out and DRILL ! I still think the WHACOS are preventing it!It doesnt matter realy does it!?? We are still dependant upon ARAB oil. Hey "THERE" do u think were in the middle east because we give a XXXX about the SUNI SHEITE crap???? Oh , I liked the drinking water BULL - YEP THATS WHAT I AND ALL CONSERVATIVES WANT -DIRTY DRINKING WATER- now that is realy WHACKKKKY!!!
I was there

Columbus, OH

#50 Mar 14, 2011
JT Friedman wrote:
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Whatís wrong with our country today is $3.50 gasoline and we havenít built a new refinery in 30+ years. You donít think the oil and gas companies have thought about all the concerns you have listed? If their gas line blows up due to their negligence they are on the hook to pay for the damages. Pair that with profit, and you have far more incentive to do the right thing than the Ohio EPA has to move a piece of paperwork across someoneís desk.
Do you got a miracle substance better, cheaper, and cleaner than fossil fuels? Then bring it to the market, Iím buying. Until then, letís use what we got, Oil and Natural Gas.
I can't speak to other states, but Ohio EPA has issued permits to existing Ohio oil refineries for major expansion projects in the past 3 years (both refineries in Toledo and I think one in Lima). Refining capacity in Ohio is increasing as a result. No permits for new refineries have been issued, but then again, no one has applied for one. If they apply to build one, I have no doubt a permit will be issued.

Why would an oil company want to spend hundreds of millions on a new refinery and increase capacity when they are raking in billions of dollars with the current market prices(lowering the cost of gasoline with increased supply = less profits)?
Correct

Columbus, OH

#51 Mar 14, 2011
I was there wrote:
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I can't speak to other states, but Ohio EPA has issued permits to existing Ohio oil refineries for major expansion projects in the past 3 years (both refineries in Toledo and I think one in Lima). Refining capacity in Ohio is increasing as a result. No permits for new refineries have been issued, but then again, no one has applied for one. If they apply to build one, I have no doubt a permit will be issued.
Why would an oil company want to spend hundreds of millions on a new refinery and increase capacity when they are raking in billions of dollars with the current market prices(lowering the cost of gasoline with increased supply = less profits)?
Well, I Was There, one reason an oil company might want to spend a lot of money to build a new refinery would be that newer technology might well be considerably more efficient and less costly. Also, it might make it easier (cheaper) to comply with air pollution laws currently on the books. That is the great thing about private enterprise--the various competitors are looking for ways to maximize profits and being able to beat their competition. Efficiency is the name of the game. Unfortunately, in the government arena where competition does not abound (often the government protects its monopoly status) there is little or no incentive to look for efficiencies....so old technology and inefficient use of human resources works just fine.
uhm

Reynoldsburg, OH

#52 Mar 14, 2011
Goldengirl in GV wrote:
Screw the EPA - build the pipelines but with regard to safety of people and the environment.
That's what the EPA is built to do. Who runs, how it is ran, and what the current issue is a whole other story.
GOP all the way

Columbus, OH

#53 Mar 15, 2011
drillbaby wrote:
I am fed up with the EPA. We should get rid of them. They have way too much power and they abuse that power by putting ridiculous demands on the general public.
Yeah, mercury and brain damage are good for kids. They were getting too smart anyway.
GOP all the way

Columbus, OH

#54 Mar 15, 2011
Gramma needs toxics in her lungs.
GOP all the way

Columbus, OH

#55 Mar 15, 2011
Nukes are safe.
I was there

Columbus, OH

#56 Mar 16, 2011
Correct wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I Was There, one reason an oil company might want to spend a lot of money to build a new refinery would be that newer technology might well be considerably more efficient and less costly. Also, it might make it easier (cheaper) to comply with air pollution laws currently on the books. That is the great thing about private enterprise--the various competitors are looking for ways to maximize profits and being able to beat their competition. Efficiency is the name of the game. Unfortunately, in the government arena where competition does not abound (often the government protects its monopoly status) there is little or no incentive to look for efficiencies....so old technology and inefficient use of human resources works just fine.
Then why aren't they applying for permits to build new refineries in Ohio? I guarantee you Ohio EPA would approve the permit. We can't approve a permit that no one is asking for. The point is, the companies would have to spend hundreds of millions to build a new plant and they won't do it unless the taxpayer (state and local governments) grant them tax-free status, pay to extend utility lines if needed and general absorb all significant costs. Build the darn plants already, but don't ask for corporate welfare (tax money) to do it. Private enterprise is just that. It means putting up their own money to grow and modernize. Unfortunately "free enterprise" as business defines it today means the business should be able to operate for free - free from paying taxes, free from regulation and free from investing their own money. Capitalism ain't what it used to be.
TrueCost

Sidney, OH

#57 Mar 16, 2011
bill wrote:
The EPA can tell you that you cannot sell that piece with the wetland on it because it is protected land. Yes, you can sell the rest of it but NOT the part that has the
"WETLAND" on it.
Bill: There is absolutely not one shred of truth to this claim. I'm very familiar with wetland regs, and can tell you that the Ohio EPA has never stopped the sale of a wetland, nor do they have the power to do so.

The nation has a "no net loss" of wetland policy, put into place during the first Bush administration, that requires mitigation for wetland loss. As Ohio has already lost 95% of its original wetlands, I don't think this is too much to ask. But again, this doesn't regulate the sale of wetlands, nor does it even stop their destruction. It only provides for a process to mitigate when they are impacted.

Next time you turn on your tap, you can thank the EPA for the clean water that comes out.
TrueCost

Sidney, OH

#58 Mar 16, 2011
Bovie wrote:
Thanks "Reader" but I am not interested in your or David Scott's analysis of what you THINK Kasich meant. What I would like to see is what he actually said about the EPA just rubber stamping permits. My guess is that Kasich wants to protect the environment as much as most normal people, but he doesn't want the EPA to just take the safe route of saying "no" and he wants them to move with some expedition in making a decision...not taking years to do so. So please give me what Kasich actually said re the EPA and rubber stamping.....if in fact that ever happened. My strong suspicion is that you are twisting his words to fit your preconceived notions.
Bovie: It happened. And there were over 1000 EPA employees there to hear it. His staff kept the media out of the meeting until the very end. That is why the video of the "idiot cop" came from a cell phone camera. Part of our governor's strange hatred for transparent government.

His "idiot cop" rant was a segue into telling the OEPA not to be "idiots." Just like that idiot cop should have let him go for breaking the law, he has instructed them to let industry go for breaking the law. Ohio is open for business!!

Wonder how long before the Cuyahoga is flammable once again?
reader

Columbus, OH

#59 Mar 17, 2011
TrueCost wrote:
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Bill: There is absolutely not one shred of truth to this claim. I'm very familiar with wetland regs, and can tell you that the Ohio EPA has never stopped the sale of a wetland, nor do they have the power to do so.
The nation has a "no net loss" of wetland policy, put into place during the first Bush administration, that requires mitigation for wetland loss. As Ohio has already lost 95% of its original wetlands, I don't think this is too much to ask. But again, this doesn't regulate the sale of wetlands, nor does it even stop their destruction. It only provides for a process to mitigate when they are impacted.
Next time you turn on your tap, you can thank the EPA for the clean water that comes out.
Thank you for correcting that absurd post. One huge problem is that an ignorant right wing just makes up its facts. Saying EPA wont let a farmer sell a wetland is one example.
Environmental Wacko

New Lexington, OH

#60 Mar 17, 2011
Maybe there is a reason why the Ohio River is the most poluted body of water in the country.
This and drilling in the Atate parks in only going to be the second coming of the coal industry. There will be no long term money for Ohio or its residence. Drive through southeastern Ohio and tell me if those people have any money. The PRIVATE company will pay as little as they have to, bring their own out of state employees in, and then leave when there is nothing left.
Little known fact... The pipeline that was finished last year that ran througha large portion of the state is required to pay taxes for the land they occupy to the local governments. Rolling Hills School District (Meadowbrook) is to receive 1.6 million dollars because of this. This is a very poor district and this money means alot to them. BUT, the PRIVATE company is fighting the fact that they have to pay the taxes in court and 6 teachers lost their jobs this week...
Pimp out our state... that's just great.
Environmental Wacko

New Lexington, OH

#61 Mar 17, 2011
Ask someone who works for a gas company if they would want to build a hosue near a large pipeline.. I'm guessing I could give you their answer since I know several and not a single one would put their family within 5 miles of one. They know the risks...

And who of you is dumb enough to say that the company can do this safely?! I think that's what BP said...
Just the REAL Facts

New Lexington, OH

#62 Mar 18, 2011
protector wrote:
When are we gonna tell the WACKOS to shut up and go away! They are responsible for all the crap were in . We are spending billions to protect OIL in ARAB countries that hate us! We send our sons and daughters off to fight because jerks like these stand in the way of us using our own oil. they out n out LIE about oil running out. That is pure CRAP ! ALL of our problems relate to us being dependant upon foreign oil !!! We would have all the money we would need for any and all programs u want if we would reign in these idiots! They are using us for their mistaken belief that we MUST get off Oil and onto wild solar and electric. Thats ok and I am not oppose to it - just let us get there when its ready. These other sources are not ready to use . PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP ! WE have tons of gas and oil here!! LETS KEEP OUR MONEY AND SOLDIERS HERE!!! They cause the disasters we have! If we could drill on shore and close to shore we wouldn't have the SPILLS! Instead we have to drill in 1000' plus oceans and cant figute out why its risky for the env.? We are STUPID for letting these HIPPIES control us!!!!!!!
What's your level of education... I believe most of the HIPPIES are not stupid. Think about what you have just said. Our friends and family members are fighting for OIL! I thought they were supposed to be fighting to protect those who cannot protect themselves. We should be saying thanks to our military for helping support the oil and energy companies, not thanks for defend freedom... I feel or any soldier that just wants to do something good and serve their country but has unfortunately been tricked into serving the wealthy.
coal country

West Union, OH

#63 Mar 18, 2011
Coal will always be king!
Environmantal Wacko

New Lexington, OH

#64 Mar 18, 2011
coal country wrote:
Coal will always be king!
... until there is no more...

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