Environmental concerns likely to alter planned Ohio pipeline

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The drilling boom that has created hundreds of natural-gas wells in Pennsylvania and West Virginia could shoot new pipelines across Ohio.
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Bovie wrote:
David Scott said: "The people of Ohio have a right to demand that state officials conduct thorough reviews using sources independent of the regulated industries. It's hard to have faith that will happen when the governor suggests that EPA's job is to rubber-stamp permits." Hey David, can you tell me where Kasich "suggests" the EPA's job is to rubber stamp permits? Or is that your Democrat/kill jobs in Ohio perspective only?
Same speech where he called a policeman an idiot for giving him a ticket. That was the whole point of hauling the entire staff of the EPA down to Columbus on chartered buses--to tell them to make nice to the gov's friends in industry. Don't worry about the rules--just push thing through. Don't follow the law--that would just make you an idiot.
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The new generation is working to protect the environment and decrease the unsustainable consumption of oil, natural gas, and other fossil fuels. This is unnecessary and a ridiculous misuse of time and energy.
Let's work on building a strong mass-transportation infrastructure. Until that happens, I am moving away from Ohio and it's God-forsaken views on the use of fossil fuels. Good riddance.

Steve - Dublin, Ohio
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I am fed up with the EPA. We should get rid of them. They have way too much power and they abuse that power by putting ridiculous demands on the general public.
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Maybe there are other creatures higher on the food chain that rely on these bugs and grasses that you dismiss as unimportant. But I wouldn't expect narrow minded people who can dismiss the survival of an entire species of creature simply because they need 'energy'. Or perhaps it's because you don't find these bugs and grasses tasty. Either way we can only hope that karma does it's due on people like you. Too bad that the butterfly's aren't at the top of the food chain and getting to make the indiscriminate decision about destroying your habitat and making you extinct.
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Sorry environmental wackos, but I really do not care about your blue Karner butterfly. We need access to energy, and yes it should be done in such a way that is mindful of protecting the environment, but come on. We are at the top of the food chain. It makes no sense to hold up a project like this because some bugs and weeds might be endangered. Kasich will rightfully reign in the wackos in the name of what's right for Ohio.
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Thanks "Reader" but I am not interested in your or David Scott's analysis of what you THINK Kasich meant. What I would like to see is what he actually said about the EPA just rubber stamping permits. My guess is that Kasich wants to protect the environment as much as most normal people, but he doesn't want the EPA to just take the safe route of saying "no" and he wants them to move with some expedition in making a decision...not taking years to do so. So please give me what Kasich actually said re the EPA and rubber stamping.....if in fact that ever happened. My strong suspicion is that you are twisting his words to fit your preconceived notions.
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Steve wrote:
The new generation is working to protect the environment and decrease the unsustainable consumption of oil, natural gas, and other fossil fuels. This is unnecessary and a ridiculous misuse of time and energy.
Let's work on building a strong mass-transportation infrastructure. Until that happens, I am moving away from Ohio and it's God-forsaken views on the use of fossil fuels. Good riddance.
Steve - Dublin, Ohio
Steve, glad to hear you are moving out of Ohio...that will be one less vote for the low speed pokey to Cleveland. I was going to suggest you move to New Jersey where taxes are high and services low. But with Christy in as governor, and with his intent to change things there, you may want to pick another high tax, low service state.
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Thanks "Reader" but I am not interested in your or David Scott's analysis of what you THINK Kasich meant. What I would like to see is what he actually said about the EPA just rubber stamping permits. My guess is that Kasich wants to protect the environment as much as most normal people, but he doesn't want the EPA to just take the safe route of saying "no" and he wants them to move with some expedition in making a decision...not taking years to do so. So please give me what Kasich actually said re the EPA and rubber stamping.....if in fact that ever happened. My strong suspicion is that you are twisting his words to fit your preconceived notions.
He did not say he wanted Ohio EPA to rubber stamp permits. He DID say he wanted fast decisions. He even said he prefers Ohio EPA to give a company a fast "No" if its application was not in an approvable status, rather than spending months working with a company to get its project to an approvable point. Frankly, that showed me he knows nothing about the permitting process. Ohio EPA wants business to grow in this state. It's one reason we spend so much time working with companies to help them get their projects into compliance with state and federal environmental laws. Giving a company a fast "no" does nothing for the Ohio economy. Spending extra time helping the company so we can ultimately give them a "yes" is the goal.

So no, he didn't say to rubber stamp permits. He definitely implied for Ohio EPA to get out of the way of business, which many interpret as "rubber stamping."

And if you really want to know what he said, ask Ohio EPA for a copy of the speech. It was video taped and is a public record.
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So, how much land are they going to take away from property owners this time without their say?
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What's wrong with the existing pipelines that crisscross the state. I could see adding a new line from the sources to the existing lines, but don't see a need for brand new lines running the full length of the state. Dispatch, how about asking this question.
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Enviro-nazi's are killing this country. We have more oil in the BAkken and ANWR than the rest of the world combined and the enviro-nazi's and the EPA won't let us drill or build a new refinery. We need to weed these folks out of these positions.
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I am fed up with the EPA. We should get rid of them. They have way too much power and they abuse that power by putting ridiculous demands on the general public.
To Steve & all the other enviro-wacks.....BUH BYE don't need you!
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Pipelines should be treated the same as any other component of our infrastructure; i.e., waterways, highways, power grid, communications network, etc. Is every company that wants to move gas or oil going to run their own lines and further jeapordize our natural resources?

The current pipeline companies and state governments should merge their proposals into something that will provide one method of transport while minimizing the risk to our water resources. We are only renting this land from our children.
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I was there wrote:
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He did not say he wanted Ohio EPA to rubber stamp permits. He DID say he wanted fast decisions. He even said he prefers Ohio EPA to give a company a fast "No" if its application was not in an approvable status, rather than spending months working with a company to get its project to an approvable point. Frankly, that showed me he knows nothing about the permitting process. Ohio EPA wants business to grow in this state. It's one reason we spend so much time working with companies to help them get their projects into compliance with state and federal environmental laws. Giving a company a fast "no" does nothing for the Ohio economy. Spending extra time helping the company so we can ultimately give them a "yes" is the goal.
So no, he didn't say to rubber stamp permits. He definitely implied for Ohio EPA to get out of the way of business, which many interpret as "rubber stamping."
And if you really want to know what he said, ask Ohio EPA for a copy of the speech. It was video taped and is a public record.
When the eco-nazi's and the green-libs can't get something passed in our congress Obama just puts forth new powers to the EPA to carry out his wishes. Everyone knows the EPA is full of these people blocking progress. Why do you think we have not drilled in ANWR, the Bakken, built any refineries in 35 years or any nuclear power plants. We have the need but can't get it done for some reason. What do you think that reason is?? Enviro-nazi's who are almost exclusively left leaning libs.
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When are we gonna tell the WACKOS to shut up and go away! They are responsible for all the crap were in . We are spending billions to protect OIL in ARAB countries that hate us! We send our sons and daughters off to fight because jerks like these stand in the way of us using our own oil. they out n out LIE about oil running out. That is pure CRAP ! ALL of our problems relate to us being dependant upon foreign oil !!! We would have all the money we would need for any and all programs u want if we would reign in these idiots! They are using us for their mistaken belief that we MUST get off Oil and onto wild solar and electric. Thats ok and I am not oppose to it - just let us get there when its ready. These other sources are not ready to use . PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP ! WE have tons of gas and oil here!! LETS KEEP OUR MONEY AND SOLDIERS HERE!!! They cause the disasters we have! If we could drill on shore and close to shore we wouldn't have the SPILLS! Instead we have to drill in 1000' plus oceans and cant figute out why its risky for the env.? We are STUPID for letting these HIPPIES control us!!!!!!!
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bill wrote:
Ohio EPA is one of the reasons Ohio has a terrible economy. If you own a piece of land and
then build a pond...and that pond happens to attract wildlife and then you try to sell that land.....
guess what? The EPA can tell you that you cannot sell that piece with the wetland on it because it is protected land. Yes, you can sell the rest of it but NOT the part that has the
"WETLAND" on it.
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Thats a lie.

"Environmental concerns" will not factor into the decision to allow a pipeline. We will have one, no worries.
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These pipeline builders will rip a 500ft or more wide swath through the woods and leave a pile of debris in their wake. They don't care about trees, they don't care about trails, previous land use. They'll do what they need to do and mar the land forever.
Alternative sources of energy need to be found and used. This is not the future of our country. Everyone should be riding bicycles to and from work and to get groceries.
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As a member of Pipeliners Local 798 of Tulsa Oklahoma, I am thrilled with all the man hours of work will provide for our members. However, all the other building trades will get work as well. The Operating Engineers, Labors, Teamsters, Iron Workers and Electricians will also find work for their members. Lincoln Electric of Cleveland will sell tons of welding supplies to the project. When they built the Rocky Mountain Express Pipeline through Southern Ohio, two years ago, it provided a real shot in the arm for the small towns the pipeline ran through. The food and lodging industry did well as well as most other local merchants.
Do not listen to the nattering nabobs of negatively. There are more miles of buried pipe under the state of Ohio than miles of road. Ohio is spider webbed with thousand of miles of mainline pipeline. It is the most unobtrusive way to move molecules of oil, gas and product liquids. Imagine if you have to have a fleet of trucks carting the stuff around. Moreover, there is no way to route the gas from point A to point B. If there was, they would not spend the billion dollars building this new pipeline.
It is a good day to be an Ohioan, maybe a little prosperity will come our way again. Plus, the school districts will pick up some money from the property taxes from the pipeline and its compressor stations.
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black lion wrote:
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When the eco-nazi's and the green-libs can't get something passed in our congress Obama just puts forth new powers to the EPA to carry out his wishes. Everyone knows the EPA is full of these people blocking progress. Why do you think we have not drilled in ANWR, the Bakken, built any refineries in 35 years or any nuclear power plants. We have the need but can't get it done for some reason. What do you think that reason is?? Enviro-nazi's who are almost exclusively left leaning libs.
Dang, I hadn't realized Obama has been having the EPA carry out his wishes to block progress for 35 years. The dude is an overachiever! I guess the 21 years or so of Republican presidents and years of Republican control of Congress were powerless in the face of a teenage and twenty-something Obama.

So tell me, why haven't the Republicans granted drilling permits, nuclear plant permits, etc. while they were in power? Your opinion is so full of hyperbole it has no credibility.
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When are we gonna tell the WACKOS to shut up and go away! They are responsible for all the crap were in . We are spending billions to protect OIL in ARAB countries that hate us! We send our sons and daughters off to fight because jerks like these stand in the way of us using our own oil. they out n out LIE about oil running out. That is pure CRAP ! ALL of our problems relate to us being dependant upon foreign oil !!! We would have all the money we would need for any and all programs u want if we would reign in these idiots! They are using us for their mistaken belief that we MUST get off Oil and onto wild solar and electric. Thats ok and I am not oppose to it - just let us get there when its ready. These other sources are not ready to use . PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP ! WE have tons of gas and oil here!! LETS KEEP OUR MONEY AND SOLDIERS HERE!!! They cause the disasters we have! If we could drill on shore and close to shore we wouldn't have the SPILLS! Instead we have to drill in 1000' plus oceans and cant figute out why its risky for the env.? We are STUPID for letting these HIPPIES control us!!!!!!!
Environazis are sending our kids to the Middle East? I thought Bush I and Bush II launched those wars - or were they closet environmentalists? Both Bushes had Republican Congresses for some or most of their terms in office and they did nothing to get more drilling done or refineries built.

I'm actually for more domestic drilling, too. I'm also for tight regulations that make sure my drinking water supply and air remain healthy to consume; and that wells and pipelines are built to the strictest construction standards to my neighborhood, roads and schools don't blow up. It doesn't seem like too much to ask in exchange for the billions of dollars in profits the energy companies are going to make.
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Bovie wrote:
Thanks "Reader" but I am not interested in your or David Scott's analysis of what you THINK Kasich meant. What I would like to see is what he actually said about the EPA just rubber stamping permits. My guess is that Kasich wants to protect the environment as much as most normal people, but he doesn't want the EPA to just take the safe route of saying "no" and he wants them to move with some expedition in making a decision...not taking years to do so. So please give me what Kasich actually said re the EPA and rubber stamping.....if in fact that ever happened. My strong suspicion is that you are twisting his words to fit your preconceived notions.
Here is a piece from the Dispatch reporting on the actual meeting (before the "idiot" comment because news):

Kasich has criticized the EPA for delaying pollution-control permits that new and expanding businesses must have. During a Jan. 14 news conference, Kasich cited an air-pollution permit for a Jefferson County business that he said languished for more than 20 months.

Nally signed it after making a few phone calls, the governor said.

The statements drew an angry response from former EPA Director Chris Korleski, who said the permit was complicated and his staff "worked like dogs" to complete it. EPA employees who asked not to be identified told T he Dispatch that workers were told to find a permit that "was ready to go out the door" that Kasich could use.

That might be why Kasich told EPA workers yesterday that they should keep their concerns within the "family," instead of airing them in public.

"You got a problem, come and see me. Come and see the director. Be big enough to come in and confront me," Kasich said. "We've got to be like we are all in this together."
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_ne...

Apparently the entire speech was filmed and posted online for EPA staff--which is how it ended up on Youtube. I am guessing that the speech in its entirety is not longer available--but perhaps someone else knows.

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