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Not a lot happens in DeBary, a quiet little Volusia County city on the banks of the St. Full Story
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DeBary resident

Orlando, FL

#1 Oct 24, 2008
Please no card room in DeBary! We love our quiet little city because there are no tourists or gambling facilities. A new Publix would be a better choice for that land. Or better yet, no development at all. I enjoy the cows roaming the pasture. Please make a good decision!
Gloom and Doom

Silver Spring, MD

#2 Oct 24, 2008
Did I hear gambling, poker? Get er done.
Matty Matt

Kissimmee, FL

#3 Oct 24, 2008
What about the 40% that want legalized gambling? No one is forced to sit at a gaming table against their will. Any activity that involves consenting adults which doesn't violate the rights of another by either force or fraud should be legal.
Anon

Altamonte Springs, FL

#4 Oct 24, 2008
A new Publix? Are you nuts? As much as I like Publix, we already have THREE nearby... why do we need a fourth???

DeBary needs this project for the jobs and tax revenue it brings. Our currect tax base doesn't begin to take care of the things this city needs. We didn't need a new building for the DeBary Art League... we need services that serve the needs of the community as a whole, not the desires of the few. We don't need ridiculous flower planters on the street corners on 17-92... we need a wastewater management system that actually works... and that isn't likely to happen anytime soon with what this city brings in tax-wise. DeBary Downs will exponentially increase what we can do for the citizens of DeBary. Traffic congestion will be confined to the least densely populated part of town, with folks who utilize I-4 coming in either at Dirksen or down 17-92 from Sanford. Because DeBary contributes so little to the county, that is exactly what we get from the county in return... VERY LITTLE. DeBary Downs will enable the city to do things for its people that we currently are unable to do and the county is unwilling to do. Nobody is going to force you to gamble. If you don't want to, fine... don't. I'm not gonna force you to give up your bingo games and lottery tickets either... Other areas of the state are more than happy to take these people's money... why shouldn't we take a cut for ourselves too... while we can?
Lamar

Mims, FL

#5 Oct 24, 2008
Boy I sure am glad we have the Sentinel there to tell us all what's right and good. I was going to gamble one time, and then I thought of the Sentinel and Jesus, in that order, and drank a glass of milk and helped a small kitten out of a tree instead.
Gambling-- Yes please

Fruitland Park, FL

#6 Oct 24, 2008
I would love a card house in nearby debary. It would fit in well with the residents. And I could drive there, gamble and make myself feel better by hanging out with lowlifes, then drive back to my nice clean suburb and wash my hands of that filth. At least once a week.
Debary is a joke

Orlando, FL

#7 Oct 24, 2008
Wouldn't be a surprise, these yokels are known for making horrible decisions! They tried to approve a marina next to Blue Springs recently as well...luckily that was defeated. Wake up Debary!
what are the real options

United States

#8 Oct 24, 2008
I understand that the owner of the land is looking at two options, the Quarter horse race track development and low income housing. Now I don't know how we push for alternative options, but neither of these is really appealing. DeBary is composed of many quality subdivisions and I am not opposed to bringing in a downtown/town center type development, similar to what Winter Springs has along 434/Tuskawilla. The DeBary Downs proposal seems to be 85% gambling related, which at first will appear to be nice until it turns into the dog track atmosphere similar to Daytona or Casselberry....thats not appealing at all. So in my opinion, bring in a more quaint town center area for some restaurants/shopping/small businesses. But a horse track or low income housing will do little for the community in the long run, maybe some initial tax income, but we will end up using those dollar to increase police force and clean up the trash that a horse track brings in.
Yukon Cornelius

United States

#9 Oct 24, 2008
Line of the day: "Vice Mayor Chris Carson, who has barely said two words during his years in office -- even amid the city's recent flooding crisis -- suddenly found his voice" <-- Oh course, when you are getting paid by the gambling boss (Michael Goldstein) puppets do what they are told, right Chris;-)

Look for the rest of the Gambling Gang - head goons Greg "I can't win a city election if I had to" France, Danny "is that smell propane or did you eat beans?" Allen, Casino Chris Carson, and soon to be elected Van "mutton chops" Connolly to push this cancerous project through by blackmailing Mayor Jellyfish into siding with them (for $$)

Water up to our butts?(ignore)- A poker room for 5 bloated ex-city officials on the take to make a buck?(react!)
Interested Observer

Boston, MA

#11 Oct 24, 2008
I vacation in the area, and this sounds like a great idea. As long as they build a nice building and have it professionally landscaped, it would be very popular.

The town should get 10-20% of the profits. Perhaps some slot machines would make it even more fun. A great way to ease the property tax burden.
Ger-ron-im-o_ver

Cape Canaveral, FL

#12 Oct 24, 2008
It's generally considered a Bad Idea to plan to make a living by sucker-punching your neighbors and stealing their money on a regular basis.

Any assumption that people are going to be able to AFFORD to drive in from any significant distance is going to be a critical mistake underlying all the rest of your "Good Intentions" paving program.

So the cash crop you can legitimately expect to be harvesting is going to be you, and your neighbors, and your soon-to-be ex-friends. Just another form of pyramid scheme, which collapses when your local pool of 'discretionary income' dries up. Which is soon.

Don't waste your money on this -- you need something "creative", not something based on "the house wins" while everybody else loses.
Voter

Tavares, FL

#13 Oct 25, 2008
Do we really need another ***mart or ***lix? This track is benefical to all; it creates jobs, brings in taxes, better environmental impact, etc. I encourage people to visit the Daytona track to get a better idea of what reality is. It is very nice and clean. The days of smokey card rooms is GONE. Families, men, and women play and visit these places. Opportunity has come to DeBary! Councilmembers with any foresight for a better DeBary future (as well as SW Volusia future) will vote YES for this project.
Another DeBary Resident

Orlando, FL

#16 Oct 28, 2008
I think it is time to shake the cobwebs off the residents and city counsel of DeBary and help them realize that DeBary Town Center and Equestrian Park will be good for the community as a whole.

Since I moved to this town years ago, I always said it needed a 'town center' experience. More infrastructure, similar to Winter Park Village, and the like. I would love to go to those shops than to a mall in another county.

Adding the poker room and the horse racing is just a bonus for me; since I'll only have to drive a mile than drive 30 to Daytona's Kennel Club and Poker Room. It will also bring more monies to this small corner of the Volusia from the other counties surrounding areas.

I say, vote YES on this project... and if you could add a stipulation to have the DeBary Town Center contribute to the city's infrastructure so we can keep our streets and homes from flooding in if another hurricane like Kay visits us.
yes yes yes

Townsend, TN

#17 Oct 28, 2008
yes i love to gamble than when i lose i steal from you so i can gamble again than ill get drunk and turn your your wife into a dirty crack lady of the night, PLEASE WAKE UP,
VOTER

Tavares, FL

#19 Nov 1, 2008
yes yes yes wrote:
yes i love to gamble than when i lose i steal from you so i can gamble again than ill get drunk and turn your your wife into a dirty crack lady of the night, PLEASE WAKE UP,
Should we then close all bars? Should restaurants and stores not be prohibited to sell alcohol? Our great country is based on the majority. The majority are not alcoholics, nor are they gambling addicts. Your opinion is more like a scare tack tick and not very honest to the reality of well planned tracks and poker rooms.
yes yes yes

Townsend, TN

#20 Nov 2, 2008
mabye you should reread my post, it was sarcasim.
DUHbary

United States

#22 Nov 4, 2008
what are the real options wrote:
I understand that the owner of the land is looking at two options, the Quarter horse race track development and low income housing. Now I don't know how we push for alternative options, but neither of these is really appealing. DeBary is composed of many quality subdivisions and I am not opposed to bringing in a downtown/town center type development, similar to what Winter Springs has along 434/Tuskawilla. The DeBary Downs proposal seems to be 85% gambling related, which at first will appear to be nice until it turns into the dog track atmosphere similar to Daytona or Casselberry....thats not appealing at all. So in my opinion, bring in a more quaint town center area for some restaurants/shopping/small businesses. But a horse track or low income housing will do little for the community in the long run, maybe some initial tax income, but we will end up using those dollar to increase police force and clean up the trash that a horse track brings in.
This is an upscale development that will bring in much needed tax money.
They will not allow any riff raff (for lack of a better word for you rednecks) ikn this area.
It has a lot for people who don't drink or gamble.
Look before you judge this.
DUHbary

United States

#23 Nov 4, 2008
Coleman is losing the Mayors seat because of this and his stupid remarks.
He said, and I quote " I don't drink or gamble, so I can't really comment on this until I see more information"
Stupid man.
saltwater 7

United States

#24 Nov 7, 2008
There are at least 232 houses delinquent in their mortgage payments in DEBARY.

Wall to wall commercial & residential property for sale and lease in DEBARY

Debary should be grateful that any company would come to their jerkwater little town and invest that much.

Debary has no economy, it needs jobs and investment period.

OR....we can stop the project and watch each others stomach groan from the 'so called' moral high road.

Concerned Citizen

Altamonte Springs, FL

#25 Nov 7, 2008
I have to voice my concern at the knee-jerk reaction the Sentinel editorial has had to this project. Just because it has a gambling component doesn't mean we lose what we like about DeBary!

I've taken the time to review the pros and cons, have seen the concept plans and the pictures that go along with this development.

Yes, there will be a gambling component, but the project is in architectural upgrade to most of what we have in DeBary. This project looks a bit like Churchill Downs, will add jobs (yes, we need jobs), and bring in tax revenue (yes, we need this, too).

If a project is done right, with the right constraints it will bring great things to DeBary that we can be proud of.

Also, if I'm reading the news on this project correctly, most of the opposition on this thing comes from an affiliate of the Daytona Dog Track, not necessarily residents of DeBary. And I can understand why they don't like it! This project is situated closer to Orlando, is of a larger scale, is more family-oriented and looks pretty darn good- the Daytona facility will not be able to compete.

I'm not for allowing gambling without carefully weighing the trade-offs, but these guys appear to be doing it in a good way- a bringing a lot of other community amenities and revenue along with the horse track. We shouldn't allow the Sentinel's editorial staff or anyone else for that matter to just shut it down without giving it a fair shake. I've taken a look at the good and the bad, and the benefits outweigh the negative concerns. Get the facts and make your own decision: in my humble opinion, this project looks good for DeBary.

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